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In the context of Eph 2:3 its the Elect as well as others by nature.
Look and read vs. 3 again where it says "in time past" which means in time past before we came to faith in Christ. No one is born with faith from their mothers womb. Read Psalms 58.

Our nature is that of being born with a nature to sin, which we all have fallen short, but now by God's grace we can reconcile ourselves before Him by faith through Christ Jesus in whom we first have to believe in.
 
They wont die as unbelievers ! But if they did, their unbelief has been paid for. They were reconciled to God as enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Read that again using the commas as you are missing the importance of Romans 5:10.

This verse means we were all enemies of God at one time before coming to faith by God's grace believing in the life, death and resurrection of Christ who made atonement by His blood sacrifice for all who will believe in Him, John 3:16. Those who refuse to believe in Christ will remain the enemies of God and face His wrath in judgement.

You are not realizing you are being fed a false gospel as whoever is teaching you is misrepresenting the truth that is plainly there before you in the scriptures that we are trying to get you to see. Please think about this, what would be the whole purpose of the lake of fire found in Rev 21:7-8. Look around you at all the people in the world that do not believe in God or His Son Christ Jesus. Do you not think they will face God's wrath in judgement!!!
 
They wont die as unbelievers ! But if they did, their unbelief has been paid for. They were reconciled to God as enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Unbelievers are headed for God's wrath.
Believers are not headed to God's wrath.
 
The Elect aren't under Gods wrath at anytime, not even while they are by nature children of wrath like others Eph 2:3 ! The reason being is because all what they are by nature as ungodly rebels and sinners, has already been laid upon Christ, and He has provided satisfaction to Gods Justice for what they are by nature. God needs no more satisfaction against their sins, He's appeased on their behalf.16
If they are still committing sin, they're not "elect".
 
Why would Christ be judged for our sin when He was sinless, but sacrificed His own life that by the grace of God through faith we who are the whosoever's in John 3:16 that believe in Him will have eternal life with Him.

You can not be a sheep before you believe and have faith. That would be like being a doctor practicing medicine before going to college to become one. Anyone who is not Spiritually born again are the enemies of God and will face His wrath in judgement.


God did not predestine the man (which individuals would be saved & lost), He predestined the plan (how men would be saved) - read again Acts 10:34-35; Eph. 1:3-12; Rom. 8:28-30; 10:9-17.​
You lost me by asking why did Christ die for sinners because He was sinless !
 
Where is that found in scripture?
Its not a scripture, its knowing what the bible teaches by joining spiritual facts together. God was satisfied completely with His Sons sacrifice for sin, Justice satisfied. If you never believed that, you need to examine what you believe about Christs death !
 
Look and read vs. 3 again where it says "in time past" which means in time past before we came to faith in Christ. No one is born with faith from their mothers womb. Read Psalms 58.

Our nature is that of being born with a nature to sin, which we all have fallen short, but now by God's grace we can reconcile ourselves before Him by faith through Christ Jesus in whom we first have to believe in.
Nothing has changed ! The elect were children of wrath as others.
 
Unbelievers are headed for God's wrath.
Believers are not headed to God's wrath.
Unbelievers Christ died for aren't under Gods wrath, nor headed to Gods wrath, they are going to be converted to Christ, given faith. They never were under wrath either !
 
Unbelievers Christ died for aren't under Gods wrath, nor headed to Gods wrath, they are going to be converted to Christ, given faith. They never were under wrath either !
Too bad they don't believe that.
Belief in God, and what His Son did for us, is vital to salvation.
 
Your concept of "elect" is off.
The elect are those who submit to God, not someone God chose to be saved without their obedience.
You speaking by pure human speculation. Its crystal clear Paul is speaking of the elect in Eph 2:3

3 Among whom also we[Paul included himself] all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
 
Its not a scripture, its knowing what the bible teaches by joining spiritual facts together. God was satisfied completely with His Sons sacrifice for sin, Justice satisfied. If you never believed that, you need to examine what you believe about Christs death !
If it's not found in scripture then certainly it is only your opinion without any facts. God's elect are all who are faithful to Him and walk in obedience to His commands. No one is preselected by God, but God does know who are His own by the condition of their hearts and heeds Him calling them to salvation. Like I said God predestined the plan of salvation through Christ, He did not predestined who would have faith in Him.
 
Nothing has changed ! The elect were children of wrath as others.
We were all children of God's wrath before we were Spiritually born again confessing with our mouth from our heart that Christ Jesus is our Lord and Savior. I can't understand why you can not see this in John 3:5-7 and Romans 10:9-10.
 
Unbelievers Christ died for aren't under Gods wrath, nor headed to Gods wrath, they are going to be converted to Christ, given faith. They never were under wrath either !
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We are not given faith as our faith is our belief in Christ who is our free gift to all who will believe in Him.
 
You speaking by pure human speculation. Its crystal clear Paul is speaking of the elect in Eph 2:3

3 Among whom also we[Paul included himself] all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
You are still missing the words "in times past" which means before we became Spiritually born again from above.
 
I dont know what you talking about !
Your POV seems to be that God preselected people that will pass the final judgement on purpose.
But that also means He made everyone else just to be cast into the lake of fire without a chance of redemption.
My belief is that He made all men, and they all have a chance to be redeemed...if they submit to Him.
Those who submit to Him have elected to serve God.
 
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