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[donadams]

Incorrect.......Again.

There is not one single Scripture that demands salvation is through water baptism.

Repeating your opinions over and over does not make it a Bible fact.

Obvious your problem ideal of a rule of faith is scripture alone?

Correct?

 

[Rodger]

Proves the lord of the so called reformers who said the early church kept the faith pure (five sola’s) and it was not corrupted till the Middle Ages. But we see an excellent illustration that that “scripture alone” was never a doctrine reveled by Christ and taught by holy mother church!

Which is the rule of faith among Christians

Scripture is a product of the apostolic tradition:

The testimony of the church about Christ by the spirit

Sacred Scripture alone:

Acts 15:2
When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
(Acts 2:42)
(Not scripture alone)

Acts 15:6
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. (20 ecumenical councils, many regional synods all binding on the faith of all Christians)

Cannot believe scripture without believing the apostolic councils!
only the apostolic councils decree’s what is sacred scripture and what is not!

Thks

Thank you for your post as it allows me to again, correct and teach those who would blindly believe what it posted as opinion.

So that we are all clear, the Reformation didn’t “really say” there were five solas. The big five "solas" were not put forth as a slogan until 1965!

Lutheran teaching only offered three:
Scripture alone, grace alone, and faith alone.

But even this construction isn’t that old. When Philip Schaff wrote his 1845 book The Principle of Protestantism, he only had two. Recently, some church historians have questioned whether sola Scriptura is even a Reformation expression at all!

I encourage you to find and read "The Bondage of the Will," where you will see that Martin Luther wrote.....
“We are willing to fight each other, not by appealing to the authority of any doctor, but by that of Scripture alone.”

And so, the 39 Articles of the Church of England state,
"Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation." Source: (article 6)

Sola Scriptura then is defined as the conviction that the Holy Scriptures are the only source of origin for those doctrines necessary to be believed for salvation.

You said.........
"Scripture is a product of the apostolic tradition"

First of all, The phrase apostolic tradition is not found in the Bible anywhere!

Secondly, as a Catholic, you believe and are passing on that apostolic tradition is seen as a special revelation of God, distinct from the written Word, that the apostles passed down to the early church. It is an authoritative supplement to Scripture.

In 2 Thess 2:15.... Paul cites both his oral teaching and his written epistles as authoritative for the church. There is nothing here, though, that would suggest apostolic succession or a lasting body of oral tradition distinct from the written Word.

You see, Paul, who had been teaching for many years before he wrote any epistle, is simply saying that his previous instructions delivered in Thessalonica were to be followed, as were those contained in his first letter to them. In other words, Paul is saying, “Hold fast to what I directly taught, whether I said it when I was with you, or wrote it after I left.”

Thirdly, there is nothing in the Bible that teaches acceptance of indirect teaching “traditionally” attributed to the apostles. THAT IS ONLY SAID AND TAUGHT BY THE cATHOLIC CHURCH.

 

[donadams]

Is purgatory in scripture?

Purge! To cleanse

5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.

Isa 6:6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:

7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

So you can’t say it ain’t biblical

Do you believe in Old Testament types?

Thks

 

[donadams]

Incorrect.......Again.

There is not one single Scripture that demands salvation is through water baptism.

Repeating your opinions over and over does not make it a Bible fact.

Mk 16:16 faith and baptism

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

 

[Rodger]

Obvious your problem ideal of a rule of faith is scripture alone?

Correct?

Correct which I have stated here several times.

Do you realize, now I do not mean by what your RCC has told you, but when YOU actually read the Scriptures....
there is not one single Scripture in which Apostolic Succession is directed, suggested or even hinted at????

In other words, according to the Word of God, the Bible we both read.....there is NO direction that there is such a thing as an apostle TODAY! The Bible has NOTHING in it to make one believe that there is such a thing as Apostolic Succession!

 

[Rodger]

Is purgatory in scripture?

Purge! To cleanse

5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.

Isa 6:6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:

7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

So you can’t say it ain’t biblical

Do you believe in Old Testament types?

Thks

Again..........Where in the Bible is the Word PURGATORY!

Purge does in fact mean "to cleanse or remove" in the Bible. Now to say that "Purge" means PURGATORY is the same as saying pornography is classical art.

Again.....It aint in the Bible and YES I believe in OT types but what you posted as Scripture to validate RCC PURGATORY aint one of them.

 

[Rodger]

Mk 16:16 faith and baptism

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

No it is not and that is the 6th time you have used that scripture. It wasnt true the 1st time and it is not true now.

 

[Rodger]

Is there sin in Christ ? No.
How can there be sin in we, who are in Him ?

Yes, I am telling you that.
I adhere to what Peter wrote in 1 Peter 4:1..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;"

My repentance from sin has kept me without sin.

I want you to both believe it and to emulate it.

Like John wrote in 1 John 5:17..."all unrighteousness is sin".

Not since my repentance from such fleshly pursuits.

He isn't saying that.
It is written..."This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
He is saying he is the chief of those who were saved by God.
Why?
Because he persecuted the church before his conversion.
He didn't keep persecuting them...did he ?

All sin is known, as all sin requires enticement, temptation, lust, and conception. (James 1:14-15)

That is correct, and God makes it possible !

He can't act on temptations that only appeal to the now dead old self.

If he repented of murder, he won't.
Repent of all sin, and by the grace of God receive the power to resist the devil's temptations for good.

It is written..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
Look for the promised escapes !

If you would like to make ONE comment of your opinion I will be gladd to read it and respond.

If you choose to continue to post these He said, You said posts I will have to say goodbye and leave you to your Bible ignorance.

You are a saved sinner but still a sinner. If you choose to believe otherwise, God bless you as in the Bible, there is NO SUCH CONSEPT.

Even without studying what the Bible says about the possibility of sinlessness, simple observation of people has caucused me to reject the idea completely. Simple Observation of people who claim sinlessness absolutely reinforces my opinion and the fact that you are saying you do not sin IS THE SIN OF PRIDE!

 

[Rodger]

Trinity yes of course
Mary’s spiritual children
Mother of all Christians

TRINITY is not in the Bible. How can you in all good conciousness believe what is not openly said?

Mary had several other children, PHYSICALLY. Jesus had FOUR 1/2 brothers and at least TWO 1/2 sisters.

Mary is the mother of Jesus and here other children but she is not the mother of all Christians.

 

[Rodger]

If you don’t think that Christ is the rule of faith pray tell what is?

Did I say that?????
Is that what I said????

You do realize that what you posted is "Disingenuous"....dont you?????

What I said was that "all that is needed to be saved, to be born again is found in the Scriptures"!

Who wrote the Scriptures???????

So where in that do you get the idea that Christ is not the rule of faith!

Now, the absurdity of your question is that you believe and have said that TRADITIONS of the Catholic church and water baptism is the rule of faith.

Now........Whould you like to reconsider your question and try again?

 

[Rodger]

The rule of faith for Christians!

It is revealed by Christ and taught by his apostolic church!

Not scripture alone

But scripture does oppose all of the sola’s

I have never seen a “catholic blogs” and don’t know what blogs are, probably some people who like to hear themselves talk

And I don’t accept Vatican 2, the CCC or Catholic answers or any other catholic modernists just fyi

First......The phrase rule of faith does not appear in the Bible.!!!!!!

Second.... It was first used in a statement by the early church writer Tertullian, in his On Prescription Against Heretics. The rule of faith is the set of standards that define a religion. Biblical Christianity holds the Bible to be its only rule of faith.

From your posts, it does not seem to ne that you understand the meaning of "sola".

Sola Scriptura = Theology must be Scripturally grounded.​

Solus Christus = Theology must be Christ focused.​

Sola Fide = Theology must be faith driven.​

Sola Gratia = Theology must be grace-saturated.​

Soli Deo Gloria = Theology must be God-dominated.​

Source: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/what-are-the-five-solas

So as you can clearly see, ALL the SOLAS are Biblical grounded and the only reason you beleieve that Scripture opposes all of them is because YOU do not accept the Word of God as the authority of God. You believe and have posted that it is the CATHOLIC church which is the authority.

 

[donadams]

Rejecting the written Word of God is what brings spiritual blindness and denial along with being deceived.

Accepting the "Fundamental" truth of the Word of God is the key to understanding the mind of Christ and will set you free from the religious bondage of men that you are in.

Sacred scripture? yes!
The doctrine of “scripture alone? No!

How do we know what is sacred scripture since the Bible does not say?

Do you accept the Bible as the written word of God? (73) complete books

 

[Rodger]

But the concept or doctrine is revealed by Christ and taught by his church so we are bound to believe the divinity of Christ and the trinity and purgatory but not any of the (five) sola’s which are new doctrines (errors) of new churches (sects) not only having no authority from Christ or his church but in opposition to them!

We do not believe that it “must be in scripture”!

But it must be revealed by Christ and taught by His apostolic church.

Many of the apostles never wrote anything!

Thks

Did you realize or have you chosen to reject the Bible fact that the James who wrote his book in the Bible was the 1/2 brother of Jesus.

So was Jude.

It is amazing how much of the Bible we can learn if we want to know!

 

[Rodger]

Says they kept the commandments you say it’s not possible?

You did not answer the question.

 

[donadams]

Thank you for your post as it allows me to again, correct and teach those who would blindly believe what it posted as opinion.

So that we are all clear, the Reformation didn’t “really say” there were five solas. The big five "solas" were not put forth as a slogan until 1965!

Lutheran teaching only offered three:
Scripture alone, grace alone, and faith alone.

But even this construction isn’t that old. When Philip Schaff wrote his 1845 book The Principle of Protestantism, he only had two. Recently, some church historians have questioned whether sola Scriptura is even a Reformation expression at all!

I encourage you to find and read "The Bondage of the Will," where you will see that Martin Luther wrote.....
“We are willing to fight each other, not by appealing to the authority of any doctor, but by that of Scripture alone.”

And so, the 39 Articles of the Church of England state,
"Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation." Source: (article 6)

Sola Scriptura then is defined as the conviction that the Holy Scriptures are the only source of origin for those doctrines necessary to be believed for salvation.

You said.........
"Scripture is a product of the apostolic tradition"

First of all, The phrase apostolic tradition is not found in the Bible anywhere!

Secondly, as a Catholic, you believe and are passing on that apostolic tradition is seen as a special revelation of God, distinct from the written Word, that the apostles passed down to the early church. It is an authoritative supplement to Scripture.

In 2 Thess 2:15.... Paul cites both his oral teaching and his written epistles as authoritative for the church. There is nothing here, though, that would suggest apostolic succession or a lasting body of oral tradition distinct from the written Word.

You see, Paul, who had been teaching for many years before he wrote any epistle, is simply saying that his previous instructions delivered in Thessalonica were to be followed, as were those contained in his first letter to them. In other words, Paul is saying, “Hold fast to what I directly taught, whether I said it when I was with you, or wrote it after I left.”

Thirdly, there is nothing in the Bible that teaches acceptance of indirect teaching “traditionally” attributed to the apostles. THAT IS ONLY SAID AND TAUGHT BY THE cATHOLIC CHURCH.

Is the perpetual virginity of Christ “an article of faith” necessarily for salvation?

 

[donadams]

Thank you for your post as it allows me to again, correct and teach those who would blindly believe what it posted as opinion.

So that we are all clear, the Reformation didn’t “really say” there were five solas. The big five "solas" were not put forth as a slogan until 1965!

Lutheran teaching only offered three:
Scripture alone, grace alone, and faith alone.

But even this construction isn’t that old. When Philip Schaff wrote his 1845 book The Principle of Protestantism, he only had two. Recently, some church historians have questioned whether sola Scriptura is even a Reformation expression at all!

I encourage you to find and read "The Bondage of the Will," where you will see that Martin Luther wrote.....
“We are willing to fight each other, not by appealing to the authority of any doctor, but by that of Scripture alone.”

And so, the 39 Articles of the Church of England state,
"Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation." Source: (article 6)

Sola Scriptura then is defined as the conviction that the Holy Scriptures are the only source of origin for those doctrines necessary to be believed for salvation.

You said.........
"Scripture is a product of the apostolic tradition"

First of all, The phrase apostolic tradition is not found in the Bible anywhere!

Secondly, as a Catholic, you believe and are passing on that apostolic tradition is seen as a special revelation of God, distinct from the written Word, that the apostles passed down to the early church. It is an authoritative supplement to Scripture.

In 2 Thess 2:15.... Paul cites both his oral teaching and his written epistles as authoritative for the church. There is nothing here, though, that would suggest apostolic succession or a lasting body of oral tradition distinct from the written Word.

You see, Paul, who had been teaching for many years before he wrote any epistle, is simply saying that his previous instructions delivered in Thessalonica were to be followed, as were those contained in his first letter to them. In other words, Paul is saying, “Hold fast to what I directly taught, whether I said it when I was with you, or wrote it after I left.”

Thirdly, there is nothing in the Bible that teaches acceptance of indirect teaching “traditionally” attributed to the apostles. THAT IS ONLY SAID AND TAUGHT BY THE cATHOLIC CHURCH.

Apostolic tradition is simply the teaching of the apostles or the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42

 

[donadams]

Thank you for your post as it allows me to again, correct and teach those who would blindly believe what it posted as opinion.

So that we are all clear, the Reformation didn’t “really say” there were five solas. The big five "solas" were not put forth as a slogan until 1965!

Lutheran teaching only offered three:
Scripture alone, grace alone, and faith alone.

But even this construction isn’t that old. When Philip Schaff wrote his 1845 book The Principle of Protestantism, he only had two. Recently, some church historians have questioned whether sola Scriptura is even a Reformation expression at all!

I encourage you to find and read "The Bondage of the Will," where you will see that Martin Luther wrote.....
“We are willing to fight each other, not by appealing to the authority of any doctor, but by that of Scripture alone.”

And so, the 39 Articles of the Church of England state,
"Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation." Source: (article 6)

Sola Scriptura then is defined as the conviction that the Holy Scriptures are the only source of origin for those doctrines necessary to be believed for salvation.

You said.........
"Scripture is a product of the apostolic tradition"

First of all, The phrase apostolic tradition is not found in the Bible anywhere!

Secondly, as a Catholic, you believe and are passing on that apostolic tradition is seen as a special revelation of God, distinct from the written Word, that the apostles passed down to the early church. It is an authoritative supplement to Scripture.

In 2 Thess 2:15.... Paul cites both his oral teaching and his written epistles as authoritative for the church. There is nothing here, though, that would suggest apostolic succession or a lasting body of oral tradition distinct from the written Word.

You see, Paul, who had been teaching for many years before he wrote any epistle, is simply saying that his previous instructions delivered in Thessalonica were to be followed, as were those contained in his first letter to them. In other words, Paul is saying, “Hold fast to what I directly taught, whether I said it when I was with you, or wrote it after I left.”

Thirdly, there is nothing in the Bible that teaches acceptance of indirect teaching “traditionally” attributed to the apostles. THAT IS ONLY SAID AND TAUGHT BY THE cATHOLIC CHURCH.

Does not change the fact that the apostle has authority to teach, and to teach in any way he chooses, not scripture alone!

 

[donadams]

Thank you for your post as it allows me to again, correct and teach those who would blindly believe what it posted as opinion.

So that we are all clear, the Reformation didn’t “really say” there were five solas. The big five "solas" were not put forth as a slogan until 1965!

Lutheran teaching only offered three:
Scripture alone, grace alone, and faith alone.

But even this construction isn’t that old. When Philip Schaff wrote his 1845 book The Principle of Protestantism, he only had two. Recently, some church historians have questioned whether sola Scriptura is even a Reformation expression at all!

I encourage you to find and read "The Bondage of the Will," where you will see that Martin Luther wrote.....
“We are willing to fight each other, not by appealing to the authority of any doctor, but by that of Scripture alone.”

And so, the 39 Articles of the Church of England state,
"Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation." Source: (article 6)

Sola Scriptura then is defined as the conviction that the Holy Scriptures are the only source of origin for those doctrines necessary to be believed for salvation.

You said.........
"Scripture is a product of the apostolic tradition"

First of all, The phrase apostolic tradition is not found in the Bible anywhere!

Secondly, as a Catholic, you believe and are passing on that apostolic tradition is seen as a special revelation of God, distinct from the written Word, that the apostles passed down to the early church. It is an authoritative supplement to Scripture.

In 2 Thess 2:15.... Paul cites both his oral teaching and his written epistles as authoritative for the church. There is nothing here, though, that would suggest apostolic succession or a lasting body of oral tradition distinct from the written Word.

You see, Paul, who had been teaching for many years before he wrote any epistle, is simply saying that his previous instructions delivered in Thessalonica were to be followed, as were those contained in his first letter to them. In other words, Paul is saying, “Hold fast to what I directly taught, whether I said it when I was with you, or wrote it after I left.”

Thirdly, there is nothing in the Bible that teaches acceptance of indirect teaching “traditionally” attributed to the apostles. THAT IS ONLY SAID AND TAUGHT BY THE cATHOLIC CHURCH.

Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles
Also Christ is the source of grace and truth! Jn 1:16-17 Jn 14:6

And this must extend to his church for Christ and his church are one and accomplish the same purpose “the salvation of souls! Matt 16:18-19 Matt 28:19 Jn 20:21 acts 9:4 eph 5:24 eph 5:32

Thks

 

[donadams]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!



Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:2

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Those who submit to the apostolic church know the truth! Those who reject The apostolic church are in error!

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Members of the communion of saints must submit to the teaching of the apostles: “the light (truth) of the world” and the pillar of truth! Matt 5:14 1 Tim 3:15

 

[donadams]

We must believe and obey both Christ and the church He founded on the apostles (16:18-19) to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

(Not scripture alone)
Sacred Scripture according to the churches cannon and interpretation? Yes!
Scripture alone? No!

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things by, by whom also he made the worlds;

“Not by scripture alone”!

That’s the nail in the coffin of “Sola scriptura” it is dead and buried, “false doctrine” the doctrine of demons like all the sola’s!
It’s

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Jn 1:17

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life! Jn 14:6

And this extends to His apostolic church, Christ and His church are one and inseparable! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 eph 5:32 acts 2:42

One shepherd and one fold! Jn 10:16

The truth of the Christian faith and the church are of divine origin and cannot be reformed!

Jesus Christ is the Light of the world! Jn 8:12
Apostolic church the light of the world! Matt 5:14

Must Hear Jesus Christ! Matt 17:5
Acts 3:23
Must Hear the apostolic church! Matt 18:17 1 Jn 4:6

Authority of Jesus Christ! Matt 28:17
Authority of the apostles! Jn 20:21

Jesus Christ has Reconciliation!
2 cor 5:19
Apostles have ministry of Reconciliation! 2 cor 5:18

Jesus Christ have power to forgive mens sins! Lk 5:20 Jn
Apostles have power to forgive mens sins! Jn 20:23

Jesus Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The apostolic church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:16

For the apostolic authority in Holy church decided and decreed (bound on earth / bound in heaven) the canon of Scripture, and is the only authentic interpreter of scripture!

The Christian faith is revealed by Christ!

Jesus Christ before ascending to heaven gave His apostles the fullness of truth, the apostolic church our mother and teacher is commanded by Him to teach and to sanctify with her sacraments (the promise of the spirit) all men unto eternal salvation! We are commanded to believe and obey! Matt 28:19

How can the Protestant concept: “sacred scripture is the only infallible source of truth” be true? There must be some infallible source that must tell us what is the canon of scripture & has authority to interpret scripture!

It is impossible to reject the church or her teaching without rejecting Christ who founded the church and revealed her teaching!

You cannot reject the kingdom established by the king and say I obey and submit to the king!

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all! And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines that oppose the Christian faith that was revealed by Christ and taught by holy mother church! Matt 28:19 acts 16:17

The “rule of faith” for Christians:
Revealed by Christ!
Taught by His apostolic church!

Cannot believe scripture without believing the apostolic councils!
only the apostolic councils decree’s what is sacred scripture and what is not!

Rule of faith is not scripture alone but Christ and the apostles in holy church. Acts 2:42