Does the carpenters son require it to be a biological son?
Does the son of Joseph Jn 1:45 require to be a biological son?
Does your father Lk 2:48 to be a biological son?
And does your brothers to be a biological brothers?
No!
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Does the son of Joseph Jn 1:45 require to be a biological son?
Does your father Lk 2:48 to be a biological son?
And does your brothers to be a biological brothers?
No!
Must put on Christ and have union with him in the covenant of sanctifying grace in the communion of saints gal 3:27 1 cor 12:13Christ is God in the flesh and His actions and work on the cross are to be believed by faith to be saved.
The rest of your post is correct except grace IS NOT a Sacrament.
He is the God of course a divine person who became manNO. Jesus is not the carpenters son
He is the Son of God.
So by your question, you as a good Catholic are IMPLYING that Jesus is the son of Joseph and not the Son of God.
Do you think that your priest is going to approve of your position?
Two natures two wills in one person
Also joseph is his father, legal father or foster father not biological father so the virgin birth that the true church teaches is verified
More than one king of father
More than one kind of brother
But only one perpetual Virgin Mary consecrated to God’s holy service!
Amen?
As long as we understand that it means the redemption accomplished by Christ apart from our involvement!Everything.
"We are save by grace through faith and not of yourselves".
As a good Catholic why would I have to explain it to you as it is at the heart of the Christian religion. ????
The statement has three parts— salvation, grace, and faith—and they are equally important. The three together constitute a basic tenet of Christianity.
However, YOU asked so that means you actually do not know. The word salvation is defined as “the act of being delivered, redeemed, or rescued.”
As a reader of the Bible and a teacher as well, I have read and understood that the Bible tells us that, since the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, each person is born in sin inherited from Adam.
Romans 5:12 says..............
“Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned”.
Sin is what causes all of us to die. Sin separates us from God, and sin destines each person to eternal separation from Him in hell. What each of us needs is to be delivered from that fate. In other words, we need salvation from sin and its penalty. So then everu human being needs to be saved from the judgment of God on sin.
So then, How are we saved from sin you ask?
Most religions throughout history, and especially the Catholic church have taught that salvation is achieved by good works. Others teach that acts of contrition (saying we are sorry) along with living a moral life is the way to atone for our sin.
Some add water baptism to salvation and again, that is the Catholic church. Sorrow over sin is certainly valuable and necessary, but that alone will not save us from sin. We may repent of our sins, also valuable and necessary, and determine to never sin again, but salvation is not the result of good intentions. The road to hell, as the saying goes, is paved with good intentions. We may fill our lives with good works, but even one sin makes us a sinner in practice, and we are already sinners by nature. No matter how well-intentioned or “good” we may be, the fact is that we simply do not have the power or the goodness to overcome the sin nature we have inherited from Adam. We need something more powerful, and this is where grace comes in.
The grace of God is His undeserved favor bestowed on those He has called to salvation through His love (Ephesians 2:4–5). It is His grace that saves us from sin.
We are “justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (Romans 3:24).
Being justified, we are vindicated and determined to be sinless in the eyes of God. Our sin no longer separates us from Him and no longer sentences us to hell. Grace is not earned by any effort on our part; otherwise, it could not be called grace. Grace is free. If our good works earned salvation, then God would be obligated to pay us our due. But no one can earn heaven, and God’s blessings are not His obligation; they flow from His goodness and love. No matter how diligently we pursue works to earn God’s favor, we will fail. Our sin trips us up every time. “By the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight” (Romans 3:20, NKJV).
The means God has chosen to bestow His grace upon us is through faith. as stated in Ephesians 2:8-9.
Also Heb. 11:1.......
“Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see”.
Salvation is obtained by faith in God’s Son, Jesus Christ, in what He has done—specifically, His death on the cross and His resurrection. But even faith is not something we generate on our own. Faith, as well as grace, is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8). He bestows saving faith and saving grace upon us in order to redeem us from sin and deliver us from its consequences. So God saves us by His grace through the faith He gives us. Both grace and faith are gifts. “Salvation belongs to the LORD” (Psalm 3:8, ESV).
By grace, we receive the faith that enables us to believe that He has sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross and provide the salvation we cannot achieve on our own. Jesus, as God in flesh, is the “author and perfecter of our faith” (Hebrews 12:2).
Just like the author of a book creates it from scratch, Jesus Christ wrote the story of our redemption from beginning to end. “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves” (Ephesians 1:4–6). The Lord died for our sins and rose for our justification, and He forgives, freely and fully, those who accept His gift of grace in Christ—and that acceptance comes through faith. This is the meaning of salvation by grace through faith that YOU asked about in Ephesians 2:8!.
Thanks for asking!
Does not explain how Mary is full of grace! Lk 1:28Everything.
"We are save by grace through faith and not of yourselves".
As a good Catholic why would I have to explain it to you as it is at the heart of the Christian religion. ????
The statement has three parts— salvation, grace, and faith—and they are equally important. The three together constitute a basic tenet of Christianity.
However, YOU asked so that means you actually do not know. The word salvation is defined as “the act of being delivered, redeemed, or rescued.”
As a reader of the Bible and a teacher as well, I have read and understood that the Bible tells us that, since the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, each person is born in sin inherited from Adam.
Romans 5:12 says..............
“Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned”.
Sin is what causes all of us to die. Sin separates us from God, and sin destines each person to eternal separation from Him in hell. What each of us needs is to be delivered from that fate. In other words, we need salvation from sin and its penalty. So then everu human being needs to be saved from the judgment of God on sin.
So then, How are we saved from sin you ask?
Most religions throughout history, and especially the Catholic church have taught that salvation is achieved by good works. Others teach that acts of contrition (saying we are sorry) along with living a moral life is the way to atone for our sin.
Some add water baptism to salvation and again, that is the Catholic church. Sorrow over sin is certainly valuable and necessary, but that alone will not save us from sin. We may repent of our sins, also valuable and necessary, and determine to never sin again, but salvation is not the result of good intentions. The road to hell, as the saying goes, is paved with good intentions. We may fill our lives with good works, but even one sin makes us a sinner in practice, and we are already sinners by nature. No matter how well-intentioned or “good” we may be, the fact is that we simply do not have the power or the goodness to overcome the sin nature we have inherited from Adam. We need something more powerful, and this is where grace comes in.
The grace of God is His undeserved favor bestowed on those He has called to salvation through His love (Ephesians 2:4–5). It is His grace that saves us from sin.
We are “justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (Romans 3:24).
Being justified, we are vindicated and determined to be sinless in the eyes of God. Our sin no longer separates us from Him and no longer sentences us to hell. Grace is not earned by any effort on our part; otherwise, it could not be called grace. Grace is free. If our good works earned salvation, then God would be obligated to pay us our due. But no one can earn heaven, and God’s blessings are not His obligation; they flow from His goodness and love. No matter how diligently we pursue works to earn God’s favor, we will fail. Our sin trips us up every time. “By the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight” (Romans 3:20, NKJV).
The means God has chosen to bestow His grace upon us is through faith. as stated in Ephesians 2:8-9.
Also Heb. 11:1.......
“Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see”.
Salvation is obtained by faith in God’s Son, Jesus Christ, in what He has done—specifically, His death on the cross and His resurrection. But even faith is not something we generate on our own. Faith, as well as grace, is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8). He bestows saving faith and saving grace upon us in order to redeem us from sin and deliver us from its consequences. So God saves us by His grace through the faith He gives us. Both grace and faith are gifts. “Salvation belongs to the LORD” (Psalm 3:8, ESV).
By grace, we receive the faith that enables us to believe that He has sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross and provide the salvation we cannot achieve on our own. Jesus, as God in flesh, is the “author and perfecter of our faith” (Hebrews 12:2).
Just like the author of a book creates it from scratch, Jesus Christ wrote the story of our redemption from beginning to end. “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves” (Ephesians 1:4–6). The Lord died for our sins and rose for our justification, and He forgives, freely and fully, those who accept His gift of grace in Christ—and that acceptance comes through faith. This is the meaning of salvation by grace through faith that YOU asked about in Ephesians 2:8!.
Thanks for asking!
Blessed Lk 1:28
Found favor Lk 1:30
What is this favor?
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
What are the possibilities of Lk 1:49
Things plural
We probably agree that the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ by the Holy Ghost is one!
What is the other?
What could it be?
Does the true church know???
Just aside questionNO. Jesus is not the carpenters son
He is the Son of God.
So by your question, you as a good Catholic are IMPLYING that Jesus is the son of Joseph and not the Son of God.
Do you think that your priest is going to approve of your position?
How is it that we get to decide what is true? Or what is the Christian faith?
We are not Christ or the way, truth, and life!
How can we dismiss the apostles doctrine acts 2:42
Dismiss their teaching in creeds, dogma’s and decree’s of apostolic councils?
Just wondering
Yes to Mary His mother God his fatherMy concept of the Church is exactly what the Bible says that it is.....
Of course not and I did not say that it did.
"I" stated that as a biological fact. Mary is the mother of Jesus. God is His Father.
Mary and Joseph had at least 6 children which would be HALF SIBLINGS of Jesus.
How do you know about these 6 siblings?
Truth comes from GodYES.
Some say that he was a teacher.
I say that He was God.
God is the truth
Truth and the Christian faith are of divine origin!
Christ must teach us!
But Christ ascended to heaven, so how does he teach us?
He established a church founded on Peter and the apostles with him and their successors (must teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation Matt 28:19) to teach us!
Almost every page of the New Testament you will find them doing so, examples
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
(Including infants)
acts 8:35
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. (Including baptism)
Still with me?
That would refer the Christian sacrament of baptism that proceeds from the blood (merits) of Christ meaningless and useless!It all depends of what is defined as "They teach baptism".
If you are saying the Apostles taught that water baptism was NEEDED TO BE SAVED, then you are wrong.
If you are saying the Apostles taught they believers should follow their acceptance of Jesus as the Christ in believers baptism, then you would be correct.
Negating the power of his grace to justify sinners
Of course Mary was saved by grace or the merits of Christ but in advance and by being preserved from all sin! Immaculate conception of Mary Lk 1:49NOPE!
Again you are incorrect and there is NOT ONE single Scripture to support that.
Mary needed to be saved because she was a sinner. She was in fact saved because she accepted Jesus as the Christ both by observation and faith.
NOPE!Of course Mary was saved by grace or the merits of Christ but in advance and by being preserved from all sin! Immaculate conception of Mary Lk 1:49
I have posted the Scriptures for YOU FIVE times.T his tells e that you are not readin posts or you wold notYes to Mary His mother God his father
How do you know about these 6 siblings?
ask
Wwe decide by actually READING the words written in the Bible and not following the dictates of men.Just aside question
How is it that we get to decide what is true? Or what is the Christian faith?
We are not Christ or the way, truth, and life!
How can we dismiss the apostles doctrine acts 2:42
Dismiss their teaching in creeds, dogma’s and decree’s of apostolic councils?
Just wondering
The Bible says that Mary was bless AMONG women.....not "Above" all women.Does not explain how Mary is full of grace! Lk 1:28
Blessed Lk 1:28
Found favor Lk 1:30
What is this favor?
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
What are the possibilities of Lk 1:49
Things plural
We probably agree that the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ by the Holy Ghost is one!
What is the other?
What could it be?
Does the true church know???
You and I are full of grace because we have accepted Jesus as the Christ. Mary was a devout Jew and followed the Law.
That is exactly what I have been telling you my friend.As long as we understand that it means the redemption accomplished by Christ apart from our involvement!
We are saved by what Christ did and there is nothing we can do to effect it. Not the church or baptism or sacraments or belonging to a certain church.
NO!He is the God of course a divine person who became man
Two natures two wills in one person
Also joseph is his father, legal father or foster father not biological father so the virgin birth that the true church teaches is verified
More than one king of father
More than one kind of brother
But only one perpetual Virgin Mary consecrated to God’s holy service!
Amen?
Jesus did not have Two natures. He had ONE - Divine!
Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus. I can not believe I have to tell you that.
NO ONE is saying anything about the virgin birth my friend!
Again.......The literal, actual words for BROTHER in the Greek is BROTHER.
The actual Greek word for sister is SISTER.
You can twist and deny and argue all day but you are grammatically wrong!
There is not one single scriptiture that suggests the perpetual virginity of Mary. NOT ONE!
Redundant quetions.Does the carpenters son require it to be a biological son?
Does the son of Joseph Jn 1:45 require to be a biological son?
Does your father Lk 2:48 to be a biological son?
And does your brothers to be a biological brothers?
No!
How do we get to be the way truth and life?NOPE!
How do we get to decide what is truth?
Or the faith of all Christians?
Thks
Understand I’m only question your wordingI have posted the Scriptures for YOU FIVE times.T his tells e that you are not readin posts or you wold not
ask
Scripture does not say “siblings”
It says brothers and there is more than one kind of brother
And brothers can have different mothers
Thks
It is the scripture that you ignor that bother me lk 1:34I have posted the Scriptures for YOU FIVE times.T his tells e that you are not readin posts or you wold not
ask
And posts that you cannot answer you simply ignore