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Bible Study CALLING ALL BIBLE STUDY ENTHUSIASTS! Come and join us for an indepth study of the Book of Deut.

Deborah13 said:
So if we know people who are of the Body of Christ, we are to share liberally with them? We are not to close our hearts and our hands to them? If they need to borrow for a need we are to lend it? We should not be considering about whether we will get it back or not?
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If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. (Luke 6:32-35 ESV)​

That's what it says. We are to help people whether we ever get anything back or not. That's how God is toward us, and we should be the same way to others, so that they see the image of God in us.

The TOG​
 
TOG said:
If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. (Luke 6:32-35 ESV)​

That's what it says. We are to help people whether we ever get anything back or not. That's how God is toward us, and we should be the same way to others, so that they see the image of God in us.

The TOG​
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:salute Perfect TOG.
 
TOG said:
If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. (Luke 6:32-35 ESV)​

That's what it says. We are to help people whether we ever get anything back or not. That's how God is toward us, and we should be the same way to others, so that they see the image of God in us.

The TOG​
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Hey TOG. I'm not suggesting you're wrong concerning lending but there is an implication in the word lend ( daneizō ) that requires usury or interest be charged. Expecting nothing in return may mean to charge no usury which would be consistent with the OT mandates. ( Exodus 22:25, Lev 25:37 etc ) I suspect if Jesus meant that we should give expecting nothing in return in the passage He would've used the word didōmi. Maybe I'm wrong what do you think ?

Ops I just remembered this isn't a debate forum :D
 
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Deborah13 said:
Chapter 15
Deu 15:7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:
Deu 15:8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.
Deu 15:9 Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee.

So if we know people who are of the Body of Christ, we are to share liberally with them? We are not to close our hearts and our hands to them? If they need to borrow for a need we are to lend it? We should not be considering about whether we will get it back or not?
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"15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?" (James 2:15 NASB)

"...when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,14 and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.” (Luke 14:13-14 NASB)
 
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agua. said:
Hey TOG. I'm not suggesting you're wrong concerning lending but there is an implication in the word lend ( daneizō ) that requires usury or interest be charged. Expecting nothing in return may mean to charge no usury which would be consistent with the OT mandates. ( Exodus 22:25, Lev 25:37 etc ) I suspect if Jesus meant that we should give expecting nothing in return in the passage He would've used the word didōmi. Maybe I'm wrong what do you think ?

Ops I just remembered this isn't a debate forum :biggrin
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You're right. It isn't a debate forum, but we can all post our understanding of the verses being discussed. I don't know Greek, but what you say does make sense. Jesus definitely did say "lend" in that verse and not "give".

The TOG​
 
Because Israel had been a stiff necked and rebellious people, and regardless of the fact that the Prophets warned the people of pending captivity, they continued to rebel against the Lord their God.

Each Passover and Feast were to be important observances to remind Israel of their desperate condition and the Lord their God's great deliverance.

I think that obedience to God's commands are the object of the Feasts and especially Passover. All the time that they spent in Egypt, they owned no land. Now that they are going to own again, they should rejoice and remember that obeying the Lord their God is how they are gaining so much. A simple formula for living a good life in a good land was simply to obey their God.
 
Deu 16:2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.


Deu 16:10 And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God, according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

Deu 16:13 Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine:
Deu 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
 
TOG said:
You're right. It isn't a debate forum, but we can all post our understanding of the verses being discussed. I don't know Greek, but what you say does make sense. Jesus definitely did say "lend" in that verse and not "give".

The TOG​
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I would agree, but it was different in OT law. Every seven yrs. ALL debt was forgiven between the Hebrew and the Hebrew. They did not have to forgive the debt of monies loaned to foreigners.
In the NT, I see lend as well. There is nothing wrong with lending, it is just that when one lends it is with the spirit of giving. In other words if you loan to a believer that is fine but if they don't return it, you don't go after them and sue them for it or harass and threaten them. All things should be done in the spirit of love and forgiveness.
That is my understanding anyway.
 
Thanks TOG.. :)

tob

*edit: Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 
After reading just these four verses we can really see just how free we are in Christ

Deuteronomy 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.

3 Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life.

4 And there shall be no leavened bread seen with thee in all thy coast seven days; neither shall there any thing of the flesh, which thou sacrificedst the first day at even, remain all night until the morning.

tob
 
turnorburn said:
After reading just these four verses we can really see just how free we are in Christ

Deuteronomy 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.

3 Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life.

4 And there shall be no leavened bread seen with thee in all thy coast seven days; neither shall there any thing of the flesh, which thou sacrificedst the first day at even, remain all night until the morning.

tob
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Christ is our Passover Lamb. Sin is the leaven that we cast out of the bread of our bodies after we eat of the Passover Lamb and are delivered from destruction. It's a picture of what the Christian does when they receive Christ, are saved from destruction, and then commit to live a sanctified life in honor and commemoration of what God has done for them. And when we do that, as chopper points out, we move into a spacious place free and safe from our enemies that God has promised to those who belong to him and obey him.

"Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.8 Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." (1 Corinthians 5:7-9 NASB)
 
Deuteronomy 16:5
5 You are not allowed to sacrifice the Passover in any of your towns which the Lord your God is giving you;6 but at the place where the Lord your God chooses to establish His name..."

The appointed place where the Passover sacrifice is to be made is in the heart of the believer:

"9...if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;10 for with the heart a person believes,resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." (Romans 10:9-10 NASB)

God wants the Passover Sacrifice to be a matter of the heart...not the head, not a matter of outward of obedience, but a matter of the heart. That is the appointed and acceptable place that the sacrifice is made and which God accepts.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Deuteronomy 16:5
5 You are not allowed to sacrifice the Passover in any of your towns which the Lord your God is giving you;6 but at the place where the Lord your God chooses to establish His name..."

The appointed place where the Passover sacrifice is to be made is in the heart of the believer:

"9...if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;10 for with the heart a person believes,resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." (Romans 10:9-10 NASB)

God wants the Passover Sacrifice to be a matter of the heart...not the head, not a matter of outward of obedience, but a matter of the heart. That is the appointed and acceptable place that the sacrifice is made and which God accepts.
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hmm interesting that would be the temple later but then the tabernacle. but the first peshach was done at their homes.
 
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