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Bible Study CALLING ALL BIBLE STUDY ENTHUSIASTS! Come and join us for an indepth study of the Book of Deut.
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Deborah13
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Chapter 13
KJV
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
1Jn 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
KJV
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
1Jn 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Chopper
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Thai Chapter records the "fierceness of His anger" (God) concerning the introduction of false god's into Israel.
Chapter 13 lists three scenarios. One, A prophet of dreamer or dreams. Two, A close relative. Three, A city seduced by "worthless fellows"....In all cases, a trial, and sentence always led to the death of the individual, and the death of that city, occupants, and belongings.
I see here the importance that our Lord Jehovah places on TRUTH! There were prophets who spoke for the Lord. Every prophesy had to come about as the prophet said, again, TRUTH! Yahweh insisted upon strict allegiance to Him and Him alone!
Idolatry was then and is now A KILLER! Our God will not share our devotion with anyone, or anything other than Him ALONE! Nothing will retard our relationship with Gods Son more than trusting in something, or someone other than Jesus Christ only. The Vine and the branches teach us that even ourselves are not to be relied on without the activity of the Vine.
Also in this Chapter we see the importance of capital punishment. V.11 says "And all Israel shall hear and fear and never again do such wickedness as this among you".
Chapter 13 lists three scenarios. One, A prophet of dreamer or dreams. Two, A close relative. Three, A city seduced by "worthless fellows"....In all cases, a trial, and sentence always led to the death of the individual, and the death of that city, occupants, and belongings.
I see here the importance that our Lord Jehovah places on TRUTH! There were prophets who spoke for the Lord. Every prophesy had to come about as the prophet said, again, TRUTH! Yahweh insisted upon strict allegiance to Him and Him alone!
Idolatry was then and is now A KILLER! Our God will not share our devotion with anyone, or anything other than Him ALONE! Nothing will retard our relationship with Gods Son more than trusting in something, or someone other than Jesus Christ only. The Vine and the branches teach us that even ourselves are not to be relied on without the activity of the Vine.
Also in this Chapter we see the importance of capital punishment. V.11 says "And all Israel shall hear and fear and never again do such wickedness as this among you".
Chopper
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I find it interesting that several of you have described in V.15 the clean and unclean as food. I understand that it was not food but people. For meat that was not for ceremonies, the unclean person could eat as well as the clean.
TOG
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One thing I notice about this chapter is the contrast. We often see things contrasted in the Bible, basically in the form "Don't do this but do that instead". One of the best known examples is probably Paul's instruction to "Be not drunk with wine... but be filled with the Spirit" (Eph. 5:18). We see such a contrast in Deuteronomy 13 as well.
Do not follow the words of a false prophet, but obey God and keep His commandments (Deu. 13:3-4 Paraphrased by TOG)
Following a false prophet is contrasted with obeying God. Following false prophets will always lead to disobedience to God's Word. If you see the Bible teaches that something is to be done or avoided, and someone comes and tells you that you don't have to follow what the Bible says, it should send up red flags all over the place.
The TOG
Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Deborah13
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I went back and forth on this verse. I didn't feel like it should be food, that would be a contradiction of one of the laws. But I couldn't see it until I grasped who the unclean people could be. That was the hang up, once I remembered who they were then it all made sense. :nod
TOG
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According to the Torah, people can become ceremonially unclean for various reasons, for example by being in the same room as a dead body. Being unclean was not a sin, but it did make a person unfit (which is probably a better translation) to offer sacrifices or touch holy items. Since there is no tabernacle or temple and we don't offer sacrifices today, we don't need to worry about the purity laws. It is good to know about them though to get a better understanding of various things that concern those laws.
The TOG
ezrider
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Deborah13, agua., TOG, and Chopper. I would like to thank you all for at least considering the thought. I am not quite sure how this is seen as people. I think I would have to do spiritual aerobics to grasp the concept. Is this a tradition of man? If you wish to discuss this any further, then we should create a new thread to discuss it.
But, as it pertains to the book of Deuteronomy, when I read "go, kill and eat what ever your soul lusts after"; I am not thinking about people, I am thinking about food. I do not think about eating people, I am not a cannibal, I am thinking about food. In its simplicity the Lord speaks to us, but not of the doctrines of men. I had mentioned previously 2 Corinthians 3:12-16, that to this day the same veil remains, and they can not see to the end of that which is abolished. When the Lord showed me these scriptures, he revealed to me that these commandments have a purpose, but they too have a time and a place. And in doing so he set my spirit at ease, for I knew in my heart he had released me from the bondage of the Law, that I should no longer fear it. Only then could I begin to understand the law of Liberty, and grow in Faith by the Grace of the Lord. You might say it was the stone kicked over wandering in the field, where underneath I found my pearl of great price.
And Jesus saith unto them: Take no thought for what you shall eat, or what you shall drink. If you stop to consider if this food is clean or if that food is clean, have you not just then disobeyed the Word of the Lord? For he said to take no thought what you shall eat.
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
15 Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thine heart desireth, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he had given thee: both the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and of the hart.
AMP
15 However, you may kill and eat flesh in any of your towns whenever you desire, according to the provision for the support of life with which the Lord your God has blessed you; those [ceremonially] unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and the hart.
ezrider matt Henry's commentary might be helpful ....
15 Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thine heart desireth, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he had given thee: both the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and of the hart.
AMP
15 However, you may kill and eat flesh in any of your towns whenever you desire, according to the provision for the support of life with which the Lord your God has blessed you; those [ceremonially] unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and the hart.
ezrider matt Henry's commentary might be helpful ....
http://www.studylight.org/com/mhm/view.cgi?book=de&chapter=12&verse=15 Matt H complete commentary on Duet 12...
Deborah13
Member
So you could start another thread in Bible Study or A&T. So we could discuss it further and maybe other thing about the OT laws, culture, etc. It's very interesting and gives insight into understanding things in the NT. They are both Jewish you know.
ezrider
Member
you lost me ezrider ...If you saying a written commentary is a doctrine of man. then every thing you read out side of absolute scripture is such. That would include foot notes in our Bibles etc...
If some one told me Matt Henry's commentary is THEE GOSPEL i would have a problem in believing that for sure....To read another's perspective is not in my thoughts a doctrine of men.
I do not read your words your views in the context of doctrine of men... case in point....a partial quote of yours
Now I will share a thought with you that came to my mind as I started this response. All scripture in its simplicity. From the beginning to the end. In the beginning the Lord gave a commandment that said: Of all the trees in the garden, you may freely eat, but of the three of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat. Of all the trees in the garden you may eat; go, kill and eat what ever you soul lusts after according to the blessing of the Lord. But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat; You may eat of the clean and the unclean alike, only you shall not eat the blood. And in its simplicity, the similarities are simply amazing. When we look at Deuteronomy 12:11 and see that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, was the place the Lord chose to make his name dwell there. And by the death and resurrection of Jesus, we have come to a new heaven and a new earth, and we are a new creation made in his image. And just like back in the garden, the first commandment issued for the kingdom of the Son of God, is basically saying, of all the trees in the garden you may eat freely, what ever your soul lusts after. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, or you shall surely die. For life is in the blood, and the way of the tree of knowledge demands blood.
Deu 12:11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
First i agree we see Christ there..
however the scripture Duet 12:11 does not say Jesus Christ....
one of the things i like about MH is the fact he is from about the same time age of the KJ Bible To me that gives a bit of insight to the use of old English...
If some one told me Matt Henry's commentary is THEE GOSPEL i would have a problem in believing that for sure....To read another's perspective is not in my thoughts a doctrine of men.
I do not read your words your views in the context of doctrine of men... case in point....a partial quote of yours
Now I will share a thought with you that came to my mind as I started this response. All scripture in its simplicity. From the beginning to the end. In the beginning the Lord gave a commandment that said: Of all the trees in the garden, you may freely eat, but of the three of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat. Of all the trees in the garden you may eat; go, kill and eat what ever you soul lusts after according to the blessing of the Lord. But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat; You may eat of the clean and the unclean alike, only you shall not eat the blood. And in its simplicity, the similarities are simply amazing. When we look at Deuteronomy 12:11 and see that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, was the place the Lord chose to make his name dwell there. And by the death and resurrection of Jesus, we have come to a new heaven and a new earth, and we are a new creation made in his image. And just like back in the garden, the first commandment issued for the kingdom of the Son of God, is basically saying, of all the trees in the garden you may eat freely, what ever your soul lusts after. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, or you shall surely die. For life is in the blood, and the way of the tree of knowledge demands blood.
Deu 12:11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
First i agree we see Christ there..
however the scripture Duet 12:11 does not say Jesus Christ....one of the things i like about MH is the fact he is from about the same time age of the KJ Bible To me that gives a bit of insight to the use of old English...
Chopper
Member
Chapter 14 Israel was to be noticeably different from the nations around them. They were not to pick up the habits, false god's, and practices of the nations around them. They were to be very different.
The Lord God of Israel placed great emphasis on the fact that of all people on the face of the earth, He chose one people to make up a Holy Nation to represent the Almighty God over against all other false gods that the unholy nations. The major difference was, God chose Israel, the heathen nations did there own choosing.
In my study notes, it says the clean & unclean animals have nothing to do with hygiene, but to illustrate the separation of Israel from the other nations.
Tithing produced several benefits. The Levites, the poor, the stranger, the orphans and widows would be cared for. As a result of tithing, Israel could expect blessings from the Lord their God.
The Lord God of Israel placed great emphasis on the fact that of all people on the face of the earth, He chose one people to make up a Holy Nation to represent the Almighty God over against all other false gods that the unholy nations. The major difference was, God chose Israel, the heathen nations did there own choosing.
In my study notes, it says the clean & unclean animals have nothing to do with hygiene, but to illustrate the separation of Israel from the other nations.
Tithing produced several benefits. The Levites, the poor, the stranger, the orphans and widows would be cared for. As a result of tithing, Israel could expect blessings from the Lord their God.
Chopper
Member
Chapter 15 Our Almighty God has set a standard in this Chapter that He expects all believers to follow. In reading this Chapter this morning I couldn't help but remember Matthew 5, the sermon on the mount.
I see God delivering His chosen people out of the bondage of slavery in Egypt. He was bound by His promise to Abraham, not to leave them there but to redeem them and set in front of them a promise of a land flowing with milk and honey. He cared for them, meeting their basic needs thru the wilderness, and finally brought them to the doorstep of the Promised Land....As a result of Israel witnessing first hand what Yahweh did for them, He in turn expects Israel to follow in His footsteps in dealing with each other.
A Sabbatical year. For forty years, God cared for His people expecting nothing in return for His generosity and grace. The only thing that God expected was for them to be obedient to His Commands, Statues and Rules. As God prepares Israel to enter a land that was already prosperous He has required His people to care for each other, not expecting anything in return. It becomes a duty of man to care for each other, the reward is the pleasure of the Almighty as He sees His work of Grace returned to Him. The setting free of any debt every seven years was a testimony of love for each other. God's standard was that no one in His family would be poor.
Christians today should follow this example of love and grace to one another. When I forgive my brother for a trespass against me, is the same as forgiving a debt owed to me from my brother. I never have to be repaid by forgiveness. I forgive because God first forgave me by example. I am to love and encourage my Brethren because God wants no one to be poor spiritually.
I see God delivering His chosen people out of the bondage of slavery in Egypt. He was bound by His promise to Abraham, not to leave them there but to redeem them and set in front of them a promise of a land flowing with milk and honey. He cared for them, meeting their basic needs thru the wilderness, and finally brought them to the doorstep of the Promised Land....As a result of Israel witnessing first hand what Yahweh did for them, He in turn expects Israel to follow in His footsteps in dealing with each other.
A Sabbatical year. For forty years, God cared for His people expecting nothing in return for His generosity and grace. The only thing that God expected was for them to be obedient to His Commands, Statues and Rules. As God prepares Israel to enter a land that was already prosperous He has required His people to care for each other, not expecting anything in return. It becomes a duty of man to care for each other, the reward is the pleasure of the Almighty as He sees His work of Grace returned to Him. The setting free of any debt every seven years was a testimony of love for each other. God's standard was that no one in His family would be poor.
Christians today should follow this example of love and grace to one another. When I forgive my brother for a trespass against me, is the same as forgiving a debt owed to me from my brother. I never have to be repaid by forgiveness. I forgive because God first forgave me by example. I am to love and encourage my Brethren because God wants no one to be poor spiritually.
Deborah13
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Chapter 15
Deu 15:7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:
Deu 15:8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.
Deu 15:9 Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee.
So if we know people who are of the Body of Christ, we are to share liberally with them? We are not to close our hearts and our hands to them? If they need to borrow for a need we are to lend it? We should not be considering about whether we will get it back or not?
Deu 15:7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:
Deu 15:8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.
Deu 15:9 Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee.
So if we know people who are of the Body of Christ, we are to share liberally with them? We are not to close our hearts and our hands to them? If they need to borrow for a need we are to lend it? We should not be considering about whether we will get it back or not?