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Can we talk about anger?

Quantrill said:
stovebolts

I'm not laughing. I wasn't making a joke. I'm not even smilin. If you want to laugh, go ahead if you think that helps you. I am not amused.

Quantrill
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Here's the thing brother. I love God, and Jesus is my Lord. I seek to please my Lord as He has given me grace upon grace with unbound mercy. I love Him, He is my friend and I want to be like Him.

My commentary on the above passages are like pearls to me. I hold them close. I've been in situations in my life where Satan wanted to have his way with me. Satan wanted me to hate, and to rage and be destructive to hurt those who had hurt me and my family.

But I remembered what Jesus did when he was being unjustly persecuted, and I remember what Jesus did when his enemies tried to set a trap. He did good. He helped another human who was suffering. He didn't loose his compassion toward those in need, and he didn't strike out to those who wished harm on him.

I don't know if you've ever experienced that. But I have. And I can tell you that it can be confusing. The world wants you to believe the lie that your justified by lashing out in your anger to those who are harming you because when you believe that lie, Satan has just stole the truth from you.

While we may not agree on the interpretation of those passages, I know the truth, and I bear fruit of that truth. Fruit of reconcilliation and a peace that surpasses understanding.

So when I laugh, it's because I see the child I once was who called Jesus Lord from my mouth, but not from my heart. As I look back at the child I once was, my will needed to be broken. And when I was exhausted and could no longer breath, I was in a place of surrender. Now I see God, and I know Jesus. I want to be like Him, and I hold His truths without waiver.

Be blessed friend.
 
stovebolts said:
Here's the thing brother. I love God, and Jesus is my Lord. I seek to please my Lord as He has given me grace upon grace with unbound mercy. I love Him, He is my friend and I want to be like Him.

My commentary on the above passages are like pearls to me. I hold them close. I've been in situations in my life where Satan wanted to have his way with me. Satan wanted me to hate, and to rage and be destructive to hurt those who had hurt me and my family.

But I remembered what Jesus did when he was being unjustly persecuted, and I remember what Jesus did when his enemies tried to set a trap. He did good. He helped another human who was suffering. He didn't loose his compassion toward those in need, and he didn't strike out to those who wished harm on him.

I don't know if you've ever experienced that. But I have. And I can tell you that it can be confusing. The world wants you to believe the lie that your justified by lashing out in your anger to those who are harming you because when you believe that lie, Satan has just stole the truth from you.

While we may not agree on the interpretation of those passages, I know the truth, and I bear fruit of that truth. Fruit of reconcilliation and a peace that surpasses understanding.

So when I laugh, it's because I see the child I once was who called Jesus Lord from my mouth, but not from my heart. As I look back at the child I once was, my will needed to be broken. And when I was exhausted and could no longer breath, I was in a place of surrender. Now I see God, and I know Jesus. I want to be like Him, and I hold His truths without waiver.

Be blessed friend.
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My point concerning anger is not to always lash out. But there are times when we should. There are times when we can and should endure the wrong. But there are times when we must act against it.

"Love thy neighbor" is not a blanket command to govern every action of the believer. If some woman you love, or even don't love, is attacked by others, do you just watch and say I need to love them, and walk away? Hopefully not. Hopefully you jump in the middle and fight for her. And then, as you smash ones face into the pavement, someone comes along and says, that is not very Christlike. You are to love your neighbor.

I am a Christian, not a pacifist.

Quantrill
 
Quantrill said:
And then, as you smash ones face into the pavement
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Is that really the only option?
Why did you pick such a violent example?
To shock us? Because our faith is too shallow? And we are not aware that God actually wants us to be violent?
 
humble soul said:
Is that really the only option?
Why did you pick such a violent example?
To shock us? Because our faith is too shallow? And we are not aware that God actually wants us to be violent?
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my,sister ,and step daughter are rape victims .
 
humble soul said:
Is that really the only option?
Why did you pick such a violent example?
To shock us? Because our faith is too shallow? And we are not aware that God actually wants us to be violent?
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You only had two options. Do something or do nothing. Don't do anything and show how spiritual you are. Do something and be a hate monger.

Even with the example you show you would do nothing. I think many Christians like to hide behind pacifism because they are cowards.

What if the police come along and your watching this woman being attacked and doing nothing? They have to use force against this person or persons. If they are right in using force, why shouldn't you have reacted in the same manner? Perhaps they will arrest you for not helping. For being spiritual.

Yet you say you don't know that God wants you to act violently.

Quantrill
 
Quantrill said:
"Love thy neighbor" is not a blanket command to govern every action of the believer. If some woman you love, or even don't love, is attacked by others, do you just watch and say I need to love them, and walk away? Hopefully not. Hopefully you jump in the middle and fight for her. And then, as you smash ones face into the pavement, someone comes along and says, that is not very Christlike. You are to love your neighbor.
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A situation like this would be a sudden emergency and it is perfectly ok to do what you have to do, but we don't need to be obtuse about it.

And what's not Christlike about it? The Lord is not a ninny. He sent one of His Angels to kill 185.000 of the enemy in one night. His first visit to earth He was on a mission of peace to be able to redeem us. The next time He comes, it's going to be a little different.

Just don't over-react to one of these situations. Be angry, but do not sin. Do not embrace the anger or else it will turn to rage and that's what gets people in trouble.
 
Scripture says, if someone slaps you on the cheek, turn to him the other also. It doesn't say don't save someone else who needs help. It doesn't say if someone pulls a knife or gun on you to turn the other cheek.

I've carried a pistol for the best part of the last 35 years, and one time I got sucker punched while I was carrying a pistol. I actually thought it's better if he thinks he won. So I didn't up the ante. The goal (my goal) is to survive. Who cares what some egotistical punk thinks? And he wasn't continuing the assault so I wasn't stupid. He could have forced me to shoot him. But he did not so I spared his life. I think I may made the best decision. He thinks he won. I know I won.
 
Edward said:
Well yeah, God won most of all. Because I got lucky and knew to curb the situation. I wasn't even walking with the Lord when that happened.
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I thought you were kind of boasting, which seems out of character for you.
 
Edward said:
A situation like this would be a sudden emergency and it is perfectly ok to do what you have to do, but we don't need to be obtuse about it.

And what's not Christlike about it? The Lord is not a ninny. He sent one of His Angels to kill 185.000 of the enemy in one night. His first visit to earth He was on a mission of peace to be able to redeem us. The next time He comes, it's going to be a little different.

Just don't over-react to one of these situations. Be angry, but do not sin. Do not embrace the anger or else it will turn to rage and that's what gets people in trouble.
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I'm not the one saying it was 'not Christlike'. You need to read again.

Once you step in the middle of something, it is not a question of 'embracing the anger'. Your there. You do what you need to. To draw these lines between anger and rage at that moment is ridiculous.

In other words, once you enter that situation, which any man should if he calls himself a man, you don't know if your going to live or die. Just because you enter, doesn't mean you're not going to get hurt. It just means you're trying to help the woman.

There is no 'over-reacting'.

Quantrill
 
Edward said:
Scripture says, if someone slaps you on the cheek, turn to him the other also. It doesn't say don't save someone else who needs help. It doesn't say if someone pulls a knife or gun on you to turn the other cheek.

I've carried a pistol for the best part of the last 35 years, and one time I got sucker punched while I was carrying a pistol. I actually thought it's better if he thinks he won. So I didn't up the ante. The goal (my goal) is to survive. Who cares what some egotistical punk thinks? And he wasn't continuing the assault so I wasn't stupid. He could have forced me to shoot him. But he did not so I spared his life. I think I may made the best decision. He thinks he won. I know I won.
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Maybe you did make the best decision for you. Perhaps not for someone else. I think you should quit carrying.

Quantrill
 
I can accept self defence, survival mode. That's not anger I agree. That's instinct.
But we don't carry guns in Australia. Guns cause more problems than solve.
 
kiwidan said:
Can we talk about peace. I think there could be a peace movement going on in the middle east. Israel has a friend now.
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Did you notice the title of this thread? Start another if you like.

Peace lovers are all the same. Anything that offends their fragile sense of love and peace must stop. They are such good people.

Quantrill
 
humble soul said:
And warmongerers love a fight?
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So one who steps in to help someone who is being abused is a warmonger? One who is willing to perhaps get abused himself or killed to help another is a warmonger? One who steps in to help someone, risking danger to himself, just loves to fight?

What a backwards philosophy, Christianity, you have.

Quantrill
 
Quantrill said:
So one who steps in to help someone who is being abused is a warmonger? One who is willing to perhaps get abused himself or killed to help another is a warmonger? One who steps in to help someone, risking danger to himself, just loves to fight?

What a backwards philosophy, Christianity, you have.

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I was just responding to your complete dismissal of peace lovers.
 
Maybe part of me still likes a fight. This little scuffle with Quantrill. To fill the lonely void. The dull moments. Peace and love Quantrill. Don't take anything I say here personally.
 
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