Can you continue to knowingly sin and remain a Christian?

[Hopeful]

It isn't.

Christ's own words; and therefore His law:

Mat 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Key word there..."fulfilled" !
Welcome to the New Testament !

 

[Hopeful]

We still rest according to the spirit of that law; and spend our time with God.

The spirit of the Law and not the letter of the Law.

 

[justbyfaith]

Key word there..."fulfilled" !
Welcome to the New Testament !

Key words, "Till heaven and earth pass..." that is when all things will be fulfilled.

 

[justbyfaith]

The spirit of the Law and not the letter of the Law.

yes.

 

[Hopeful]

Dead to the law of Christ?

Check the capital "L".
Dead to the Law of Moses. (Rom 7:4-6)

 

[justbyfaith]

Check the capital "L".
Dead to the Law of Moses. (Rom 7:4-6)

But not dead to the law of Christ?

 

[Hopeful]

yes.

Then quit referring to any necessity to blow chofars, and stuff of the past.

 

[Hopeful]

But not dead to the law of Christ?

Correct.
Love God above all else, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
All the prophets and the Law hang on that.

 

[justbyfaith]

If we are not dead to the law of Christ, then chofars and tzitzit and tallit are a part of that.

Because according to Christ's law, if we break the least of the commandments and teach men so, we shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[justbyfaith]

Correct.
Love God above all else, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
All the prophets and the Law hang on that.

What is love but to obey the commandments (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6)?

 

[justbyfaith]

I will say that if you base your justification on your keeping of any law (cf. the law of Christ), that you are of the law and therefore under a curse:

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Mat 5:48, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[justbyfaith]

That is why we must never begin to base our salvation on our performance.

It is important that we base our salvation wholly on Christ and what He did for us on the Cross; even His shed blood.

 

[justbyfaith]

That is why we must never begin to base our salvation on our performance.

It is important that we base our salvation wholly on Christ and what He did for us on the Cross; even His shed blood.

That will most assuredly affect our performance.

But the engine of the train must always be faith in the shed blood of Christ; our performance being the car that is pulled behind it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Only if they can deceive me into thinking they are more powerful.

It would be unscriptural if we said, or thought that.

13But exhort one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. Hebrews 3:13

1...let us throw off every encumbrance and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with endurance the race set out for us. Hebrews 12:1

It's fine if these don't apply to you, personally, because you aren't touched by sin in your Christian walk and never have been, but these scriptures are for the rest of us. Born again people, except you, really do struggle with sin, sometimes successfully, sometimes not, but we have God's grace continually forgiving us and encouraging us to finish the race we've begun. We will not be discouraged by your assertion that if we are not sinless like you that we are not born again.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don't you think Adam has already given you the ability to tell good from evil?

If that were true God would not tell his people to learn to distinguish good from evil:

13For everyone who lives on milk is still an infant, inexperienced in the message of righteousness. 14But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained their senses to distinguish good from evil. Hebrews 6:13-14

Hey, it's great that you skipped the infant stage of being born again and started out fully mature, but for the rest of us we're moving from infancy and inexperience with the message of righteousness and moving on to solid food through which our senses are being trained to distinguish good from evil.

 

[GodsGrace]

Both Free and Jethro Bodine appear to be contending for an idea that will excuse them for sinning on their day of judgment.

They appear to believe that, being born again does not mean that a man is made practically holy (or righteous) but that it only means that a man is forgiven.

Yet, the scriptures declare otherwise.

They declare that Jesus came "to save His people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21)...

And that if we hunger and thirst after righteousness, we will be filled (Matthew 5:6).

Therefore, your only statement that you can make to God on your day of judgment, when He asks you why you didn't become righteous like certain others standing before the judgment seat, will be to say, "I wasn't hungry or thirsty for what You had to offer. So, I rejected it."

J,
I really think you're misunderstanding what Jethro Bodine and Free believe.

This is a friendly reminder to be careful about the TOS rules. Do not misrepresent another member.

It's good if you think you don't sin. It means that you're not doing any of the biggies.

But we sin every day.
Pride is a sin.
Thinking we don't ever sin is prideful.
Even the Weslyan churches have given up on total sanctification in this life.
Even the priests I know go to confession.
This is because they're very Aware of what sin is.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Are the disobedient "children of God"?
No.

Sometimes.

'Disobedient' carries the connotation of referring to the unbelieving.
Born again people do still sin.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It wouldn't be willful sin then.

Of course.
What's your point?
Christians are not characterized by willful sin, but by their struggle with sin.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Are you suggesting that one cannot walk with God for a season and then turn back to willful sin?

Not as a believer.
A person has to make a conscious decision to go back to unbelief to go back to a willful, deliberate, 'I don't care about Jesus' life of sin. That is what Hebrews 10:26 is talking about. That is the only way that a person can have that kind of unhindered freedom to go back to their sin because the believer is chastised and rebuked by God when they get stupid about sin. They can't get away with it. Only an unbeliever is left alone to willingly and freely indulge sin without interference.

 

[justbyfaith]

13But exhort one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. Hebrews 3:13

1...let us throw off every encumbrance and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with endurance the race set out for us. Hebrews 12:1

It's fine if these don't apply to you, personally, because you aren't touched by sin in your Christian walk and never have been, but these scriptures are for the rest of us. Born again people, except you, really do struggle with sin, sometimes successfully, sometimes not, but we have God's grace continually forgiving us and encouraging us to finish the race we've begun. We will not be discouraged by your assertion that if we are not sinless like you that we are not born again.

Instead of doubling down on the concept that you are born again, you ought to be seeking after the Lord in order that He might save you "to the uttermost" (Hebrews 7:25).