Can you continue to knowingly sin and remain a Christian?

[07/07/07]

The goal of the Christian life isn't " be perfect." The only way you are righteous is because of God (what Jesus did for us). The goal is to: glorify God, seek and ABIDE, acknowledge and enjoy his presence. Everything else falls into place.

We are either set free from sin or we are not. Jesus' people are clean, pure and holy. Defiled Christians must forsake their sins or they will be rejected in the end.

I've Been Set Free​

 

[Hopeful 2]

The goal of the Christian life isn't " be perfect." The only way you are righteous is because of God (what Jesus did for us). The goal is to: glorify God, seek and ABIDE, acknowledge and enjoy his presence. Everything else falls into place.

If one is NOT perfect(ly sinless), did God fail to provide something ?
No, it is never His fault.
It is written..."For he hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Cor 5:21)
If we have been made the righteousness of God in Him, how can we possibly be anything less than perfect(ly sinless) ?

Perfect(ly sinless) starts with being "in Him".

 

[gordon777]

Debate, dispute, contention, it is all sin, so where is the first person to stop it and begin to show they have any understanding/belief, at all, seeing as doubt is what sin is.


Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[PeterGeorge]

I will add Jesus speaks of lukewarm souls those who believe but don't live in faith.Living in faith you will automatically try to avoid sin and repent it will be very noticeable to you but no one can avoid sin you lift yourself up in faith.Jesus said he prefers those who are hot or ice cold.Jesus can reach those who live in faith and a person who is ice cold can hit rock bottom and be saved but a luke warm soul is the most difficult souls for Jesus to reach and they are souls who offend him the most.
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[PeterGeorge]

I have to correct myself here Jesus did not speak of it in the gospel Its in the Book of Revelations

 

[Alfred Persson]

This is an important topic for Christians, as it's crucial to our Salvation. To continue in sin knowingly certainly results in a loss of one's Salvation. We must forsake that sin(s) and do our first works over by being cleansed in the blood of Jesus for the remission of sin. If we cling to that sin(s), we are fallen from grace and are considered backsliders.

Romans 6
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (KJV)

You didn't notice but if Paul believed as you, the cited text would read:
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. Then you lost, lose your salvation and are no longer a Christian.

But Paul didn't say that. In fact, he is appealing to our sense of rightness, that as we committed ourselves to Christ even so we should continue to walk.

That sin should not have dominion over you.

But I am NOT saying a Christian can willfully sin without consequences. I believe "once saved always saved" will NOT stop a sinning believer from ending up in hell, to have the fire of God's inspection purge all sin from him. Once saved always saved means God won't permit the sinner be lost to sin; Sin will NOT have dominion over a Christian, but if Satan must destroy the believer's flesh first, and the fire of hell is required to correct the Believer, then it will be so because sinners cannot inherit God's Kingdom:

NKJ 1 Corinthians 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles-- that a man has his father's wife!
2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(1 Cor. 5:1-5 NKJ)

The Rich Man in Hades illustrates this, the fires of hell purged him from all sin. Even though the Redeemed WANTED to comfort that child of Abraham, they could not. So prayers for the dead won't help, the sinner must repent on his own. Then in the Ressurction when Hades emptied out, all the sinners who repented still therein (who were not raptured), will come out to life. That is why the Book of life is opened on Judgment Day, to confirm their names are in it:

28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
(Jn. 5:28-29 NKJ)

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. (Rev. 20:13 NKJ)

Because willfully sinful Christians cannot enter the Kingdom of God He does not rest until all delusion and slavery to sin is purged from the believer in HELL, burned out of him if need be:


When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning, (Isa. 4:4 NKJ)


7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?
8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
(1 Cor. 6:7-10 NKJ)

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