Catholic Apostacy

[RND]

"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles . . . From beginning to end of scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."--Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1900.

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"Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the [Roman Catholic] Church, has no good reasons for its Sunday theory, and ought logically to keep Saturday as the Sabbath."--John Gilmary Shea, in the "American Catholic Quarterly Review," January 1883.

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"It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church."--Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, N.J. "News" of March 18, 1903.

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"Ques.--Have you any other way of proving that the [Catholic] Church has power to institute festivals of precept [to command holy days] ?"

"Ans.--Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her: She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."--Stephan Keenan, "A Doctrinal Catechism," p. 176.

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"Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible."--"The Catholic Mirror," December 23, 1893.

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"God simply gave His [Catholic] Church the power to set aside whatever day or days, she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days, as holy days."--Vincent J. Kelly, "Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations," p. 2.

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"Protestants . . . accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change . . . But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible, in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope."--"Our Sunday Visitor," February 5, 1950.

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"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."--Pope Leo XIII, in an Encyclical Letter, dated June 20, 1894.

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Not the Creator of the Universe, in Genesis 2:1-3,--but the Catholic Church "can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days"--S.C. Mosna, "Storia della Domenica," 1969, pp. 366-367.

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"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under veil of flesh."--"The Catholic National,"July 1895.

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"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church."--Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

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"We define that the Holy Apostolic See [the Vatican] and the Roman Pontiff holds the primacy over the whole world."--A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, 'The Most Holy Councils," Vol. 13, col. 1167.

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"It was the Catholic Church which, by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest [from the Bible Sabbath] to the Sunday . . . Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church."--Monsignor Louis Segur, "Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today," p. 213.

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"We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."--Peter Geiermann, CSSR, "A Doctrinal Catechism," 1957 edition, p. 50.

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"We Catholics, then, have precisely the same authority for keeping Sunday holy instead of Saturday as we have for every other article of our creed, namely, the authority of the Church . . . whereas you who are Protestants have really no authority for it whatever; for there is no authority for it [Sunday sacredness] in the Bible, and you will not allow that there can be authority for it anywhere else. Both you and we do, in fact, follow tradition in this matter; but we follow it, believing it to be a part of God's word, and the [Catholic] Church to be its divinely appointed guardian and interpreter; you follow it [the Catholic Church], denouncing it all the time as a fallible and treacherous guide, which often 'makes the commandments of God of none effect' quoting Matthew 15:6] ."--The Brotherhood of St. Paul, "The Clifton Tracts," Vol. 4, tract 4, p. 15.

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"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant."--"The Catholic Universe Bulletin," August 14, 1942, p. 4.

 

[RND]

Baptist: "There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will however be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament--absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week."--Dr. E.T. Hiscox, author of the "Baptist Manual."

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Congregationalist: "It is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath . . . The Sabbath was founded on a specific, divine command. We can plead no such command for the observance of Sunday . . . There is not a single line in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday."--Dr. R.W. Dale, "The Ten Commandments," p. 106-107.

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Lutheran Free Church: "For when there could not be produced one solitary place in the Holy Scriptures which testified that either the Lord Himself or the apostles had ordered such a transfer of the Sabbath to Sunday then it was not easy to answer the question: Who has transferred the Sabbath, and who has had the right to do it?"--George Sverdrup, "A New Day."

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Protestant Episcopal: "The day is now changed from the seventh to the first day . . . but as we meet with no Scriptural direction for the change, we may conclude it was done by the authority of the church."--"Explanation of Catechism."

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Baptist: "The Scriptures nowhere call the first day of the week the Sabbath . . . There is no Scriptural authority for so doing, nor of course, any Scriptural obligation"--"The Watchman."

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Presbyterian: "There is no word, no hint in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday. The observance of Ash Wednesday, or Lent, stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday. Into the rest of Sunday no Divine Law enters."--Canon Eyton, in "The Ten Commandments."

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Anglican: "And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day."--Isaac Williams, "Plain Sermons on the Catechism," pp. 334, 336.

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Methodist: "It is true that there is no positive command for infant baptism. Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week. Many believe that Christ changed the Sabbath. But, from His own words, we see that He came for no such purpose. Those who believe that Jesus changed the Sabbath base it only on a supposition."--Amos Binney, "Theological Compendium," pp. 180-181.

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Episcopalian: "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy, catholic, apostolic church of Christ."--Bishop Symour, "Why We Keep Sunday."

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Southern Baptist: "The sacred name of the Seventh day is Sabbath. This fact is too clear to require argument [Exodus 20:10 quoted] . . . On this point the plain teaching of the Word has been admitted in all ages . . . Not once did the disciples apply the Sabbath law to the first day of the week,--that folly was left for a later age, nor did they pretend that the first day supplanted the seventh."--Joseph Judson Taylor, "The Sabbatic Question," pp. 14, 15, 16-17, 41.

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American Congregationalist: "The current notion that Christ and His apostles authoritatively substituted the first day for the seventh, is absolutely without any authority in the New Testament."--Dr. Lyman Abbot, in the "Christian Union," June 26, 1890.

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Christian Church: "Now there is no testimony in all the oracles of heaven that the Sabbath is changed, or that the Lord's Day came in the room of it."--Alexander Campbell, in 'The Reporter," October 8, 1921.

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Disciples of Christ: "There is no direct Scriptural authority for designating the first day 'the Lord's Day.' "--Dr. O.H. Lucas, in the "Christian Oracle,"January 23, 1890.

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Baptist: "To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' discussion with His disciples, often conversing with upon the Sabbath question, discussing it in some of its various aspects, freeing it from its false [Jewish traditional] glosses, never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during the forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated. Nor, so far as we know, did the Spirit, which was given to bring to their remembrance all things whatsoever that He had said unto them, deal with this question. Nor yet did the inspired apostles, in preaching the gospel, founding churches, counseling and instructing those founded, discuss or approach the subject.

"Of course I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun-god, then adopted and sanctified by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism."--Dr. E. I. Hiscox, report of his sermon at the Baptist Minister's Convention, in "New York Examiner," November 16, 1893.

 

[aj830]

I don't like putting up lengthy posts but let's see what the some of the early Church's writings say on this.

The Didache

"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch

"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr

"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] youâ€â€namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm usâ€â€I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

Tertullian

"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcisedâ€â€yes, and unobservant of the Sabbathâ€â€God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

The Didascalia

"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Origen

"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).

Victorinus

"The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished" (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).

 

[stranger]

Baptist: "There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. . . Dr. E.T. Hiscox, author of the "Baptist Manual."

Congregationalist: "It is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath . . . The Sabbath was founded on a specific, divine command. We can plead no such command for the observance of Sunday . . .

Lutheran Free Church: "For when there could not be produced one solitary place in the Holy Scriptures which testified that either the Lord Himself or the apostles had ordered such a transfer of the Sabbath to Sunday. .

Protestant Episcopal: "The day is now changed from the seventh to the first day . . . but as we meet with no Scriptural direction for the change, we may conclude it was done by the authority of the church."--"Explanation of Catechism."

Baptist: "The Scriptures nowhere call the first day of the week the Sabbath . . . There is no Scriptural authority for so doing, nor of course, any Scriptural obligation"--"The Watchman."

Presbyterian: "There is no word, no hint in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday.

Anglican: "And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day."--Isaac Williams, "Plain Sermons on the Catechism," pp. 334, 336.

Methodist: . . .Those who believe that Jesus changed the Sabbath base it only on a supposition."--Amos Binney, "Theological Compendium," pp. 180-181.


Episcopalian: "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy, catholic, apostolic church of Christ."--Bishop Symour, "Why We Keep Sunday."

Southern Baptist: "The sacred name of the Seventh day is Sabbath. This fact is too clear to require argument [Exodus 20:10 quoted] . . .

American Congregationalist: "The current notion that Christ and His apostles authoritatively substituted the first day for the seventh, is absolutely without any authority in the New Testament."--Dr. Lyman Abbot, in the "Christian Union," June 26, 1890.

Christian Church: "Now there is no testimony in all the oracles of heaven that the Sabbath is changed, or that the Lord's Day came in the room of it."--Alexander Campbell, in 'The Reporter," October 8, 1921.

Disciples of Christ: "There is no direct Scriptural authority for designating the first day 'the Lord's Day.' "--Dr. O.H. Lucas, in the "Christian Oracle,"January 23, 1890.

Baptist: "To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' discussion with His disciples, often conversing with upon the Sabbath question, discussing it in some of its various aspects, freeing it from its false [Jewish traditional] glosses, never alluded to any transference of the day. . .

Hi RND,

So now there are two prevailing opinions among Protestants - those who maintain that there was no transference of the Sabbath to Sunday and those who do.

Then you wrote:

"Of course I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun-god, then adopted and sanctified by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism."--Dr. E. I. Hiscox, report of his sermon at the Baptist Minister's Convention, in "New York Examiner," November 16, 1893

Let us consider again the three periods:
1. the early church 'until' 100AD
2. the church 100AD to 321 AD
3. the church post 321 AD

The quote above has been used in the critique against Constantine - but is appears misplaced in the period of church history prior to Constantine ie up to 321AD.

It is helpful to think of the early church as primarily Jewish and as the Gospel spread further into the Gentile world the church became more Gentile. Could this explain the existence of two traditions neither of which has anything to do with the sun gods? Some examples are found in the writings of Justin Martyr 140 A..D:

"Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness, made the world; and Jesus Christ our savior , on the same day rose from the dead."

A comment by Schaff sums it up pretty well.

Schaff writes in the Schaff- Herzog Encyclopedia of religious knowledge 1891 Ed., vol.4 Article on Sunday. "Sunday… was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship.. . Sunday was emphatically the weekly feast of the resurrection of Christ, as the Jewish Sabbath was the feast of creation. It was called the Lords day, and upon it the primitive church assembled to break bread. No regulations for its observance are laid down in the new testament nor, indeed, is its observance even enjoined. Yet Christian feeling led to the universal adoption of the day, in imitation of the apostolic precedence. In the second century its observance was universal." In other words this wasn’t to replace the Sabbath but held as a whole new day for a new dispensation.

So Sunday worship appears to be disassociated from the issue of the Sabbath observance, this is understood when the influence of the the gentile church became more prominent than the primarily Jewish early church.

In view of the brief historical analysis what can we say about about the SDA's? Well firstly it is to be noted that they are gentiles. Invariably there are lessons to be learned from Romans 9-11 and the illustration of the olive the olive tree. In this instance the wild branch, call them SDA's, will at some point lord it over the natural branch. This is the prophecy at any rate, but more than this are they also lording it over the other wild branches?

Yes the issue of the Sabbath is significant but the Sabbath is something to be entered into, call this the Sabbath rest, rather than something to be observed which in fact still has old testament overtones. For these reasons many Protestants will not be moved (Quote RND: "People who think that the scripture should be the sole authority should logically become 7th Day Adventists and keep Saturday holy.�?)- something greater is required by way of testimony that will make even the Jews jealous.

 

[stranger]

stranger wrote:
OK, you agree that Sunday worship is not condemned in the scriptures. Agree. We both agree that they met on the Sabbath. Now if meeting on the first day of the week was not condemned on what basis do you condemn it as per previous post? By whose authority?

Uh, I didn't agree with that. I was making a comment with respect to your comment: "It is also important to note that Sunday worship is not forbidden in the bible." Sunday worship is clearly not approved anywhere in scripture.

Also, I am not condemning anyone. I am merely pointing out that Sunday worship is not Sabbath worship. Jesus condemns no one and neither do I.

Hi RND,

So lets sort this out, we have two statements:

1. "Sunday worship is clearly not approved anywhere in scripture."

2. "It is also important to note that Sunday worship is not forbidden in the bible".

So on what day(s) are we to worship the Lord if "Sunday worship is clearly not approved anywhere in scripture?"

We are faced with three alternatives:

1. Are we to worship the Lord only on Saturday?
2. Are we to worship the Lord Monday through Saturday?
3. Or are we to worship the Lord seven days a week?

Can you worship the Lord on Sunday? What would happen to you if you did?

 

[Vic C.]

No doubt. But since that time as well people have been committing murders, stealing, murdering, making idols, etc. Does that make those activities any less wrong based on how long they have been done?

Hello,

This is apples and oranges. Those things were going on well before God gave the sabbath to Moses and the Israelites.

No offense, but the comparison to "Sun worshiping" is unfounded. It can easily be said that those who insist worship be done on the seventh day, worship on a day the pagans set aside for Saturnus. No argument that the sabbath is still the seventh day, but there is no commandment prohibiting worship on Sunday or any other day of the week.

RND, I do not follow any "rules" of any church regarding right worship. I am free in Chris to rest on the seventh and worship whenever I choose, including the first day of the week.

Peace.

 

[RND]

I don't like putting up lengthy posts but let's see what the some of the early Church's writings say on this.

What do all the writers you quoted have in common?

 

[RND]

So on what day(s) are we to worship the Lord if "Sunday worship is clearly not approved anywhere in scripture?"

We are faced with three alternatives:

1. Are we to worship the Lord only on Saturday?
2. Are we to worship the Lord Monday through Saturday?
3. Or are we to worship the Lord seven days a week?

Can you worship the Lord on Sunday? What would happen to you if you did?

We can 'worship' the Lord everyday and nothing will happen if you do. But we are commanded to rest from our labors and make a holy convocation on the seventh-day sabbath. It's more than just going to church which is what alot of sunday goers do. The go to church, go shop, and do 'their' thing on the sabbath. We are not called to do that on the sabbath.

 

[Guest]

We can 'worship' the Lord everyday and nothing will happen if you do. But we are commanded to rest from our labors and make a holy convocation on the seventh-day sabbath. It's more than just going to church which is what alot of sunday goers do. The go to church, go shop, and do 'their' thing on the sabbath. We are not called to do that on the sabbath.

Who was the Sabbath made for?

 

[RND]

Hello,

This is apples and oranges. Those things were going on well before God gave the sabbath to Moses and the Israelites.

Uh, no it's a valid question. Just because they've been breaking the sabbath since before the ink was dry, is it none the less ok?

BTW, they were celebrating the sabbath before Mt. Sania. See Exodus 16.

No offense, but the comparison to "Sun worshiping" is unfounded. It can easily be said that those who insist worship be done on the seventh day, worship on a day the pagans set aside for Saturnus. No argument that the sabbath is still the seventh day, but there is no commandment prohibiting worship on Sunday or any other day of the week.

And again there is noothing that supposrts it either. One would think it would be be to err on the side of scripture and not man's tradition.

RND, I do not follow any "rules" of any church regarding right worship. I am free in Chris to rest on the seventh and worship whenever I choose, including the first day of the week.

Well, Vic you are certainly free to believe what you want but you would be hard pressed to find any scripture to support your view. Nothing, even our very repentance, is done my man's choice.

 

[RND]

Who was the Sabbath made for?

Man.

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

That was the day God made for man to rest from all his endeavors.

 

[Guest]

Man.

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

That was the day God made for man to rest from all his endeavors.

And what is the purpose of the Sabbath?

 

[RND]

And what is the purpose of the Sabbath?

Communing with God and His creation. It is our time to remember Him, His creation, His people and enjoy the things He blessed and sanctified this day. Exodus 20:8 Leviticus 16:31. Leviticus 23:3 The sabbath is the only day that was blessed and halowed by the Lord. Exodus 20:11. It is a perpetual 'covenant' between God and His people. Exodus 31:16 It is a day for us to put away our pursutes and rest in the Lord. # Exodus 31:15

 

[aj830]

What do all the writers you quoted have in common?

They were all members of the Early Church. Some were taught by the Apostles themselves.

Just to say some of the things you quoted(local parish newsletters, Catholic magazines) are NOT a authority on Church teachings. They should be teaching truth but that is not always the case.

 

[RND]

They were all members of the Early Church. Some were taught by the Apostles themselves.

Just to say some of the things you quoted(local parish newsletters, Catholic magazines) are NOT a authority on Church teachings. They should be teaching truth but that is not always the case.

I was going to say they're all dead and awaiting resurrection on "the last day."

BTW, the Catholic church has never recounted any of the quotes attributed to those that I have posted and frankly, this represents the official position of the church. This is the same catholic church that changed the 10 commandments of God to fit with their doctrine.

Catholic
Ten Commandments

Psst, guess which commandment is missing.

 

[Guest]

RND wrote:


Man.

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

That was the day God made for man to rest from all his endeavors.


And what is the purpose of the Sabbath?

Communing with God and His creation. It is our time to remember Him, His creation, His people and enjoy the things He blessed and sanctified this day. Exodus 20:8 Leviticus 16:31. Leviticus 23:3 The sabbath is the only day that was blessed and halowed by the Lord. Exodus 20:11. It is a perpetual 'covenant' between God and His people. Exodus 31:16 It is a day for us to put away our pursutes and rest in the Lord. # Exodus 31:15

Okay - so we have WHO it was made for and WHY it was made.

Now - we just have to figure out the WHEN.

So, let's see - what day of the week did Creation start on? Let's look at Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2.

Hmmm... God started on Day One - is that on a Monday? Where I work, the Day One starts on a Wednesday and our week ends on Tuesday!

Hmm... so - on the Seventh day we are to rest. Maybe I should not go to work on Tuesday! I kind of like that!

 

[RND]

Okay - so we have WHO it was made for and WHY it was made.

Now - we just have to figure out the WHEN.

So, let's see - what day of the week did Creation start on? Let's look at Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2.

Hmmm... God started on Day One - is that on a Monday? Where I work, the Day One starts on a Wednesday and our week ends on Tuesday!

Hmm... so - on the Seventh day we are to rest. Maybe I should not go to work on Tuesday! I kind of like that!

That's simple. Ask a Jew. When do the Jews observe sabbath? Friday at sundown to saturday at sunddown.

But there's more!

Sunday keepers are fond of telling folks they keep the sabbath on sunday because that is the day Jesus resurrected (that's a lie, fact is they have no clue why the keep sunday, but none the less, let's go with it for now.) When then did Jesus arise from the grave?

Matthew 28:1
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

John 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

So Jesus did indeed appear on the first day of the week. So let's put 2 + 2 together.

Sunday="The first day of the week."

So if sunday is the first day of the week, then the sabbath must be on the sabbath. Same day the Jews go to church.

 

[Guest]

That's simple. Ask a Jew. When do the Jews observe sabbath? Friday at sundown to saturday at sunddown.

But there's more!

Sunday keepers are fond of telling folks they keep the sabbath on sunday because that is the day Jesus resurrected (that's a lie, fact is they have no clue why the keep sunday, but none the less, let's go with it for now.) When then did Jesus arise from the grave?

Matthew 28:1
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

John 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

So Jesus did indeed appear on the first day of the week. So let's put 2 + 2 together.

Sunday="The first day of the week."

So if sunday is the first day of the week, then the sabbath must be on the sabbath. Same day the Jews go to church.

But if the Sabbath was made for man - why are you attempting to be legalistic about when it is kept - on which day.

Isn't the point that there should be a day of rest, a day set aside to worship?

 

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But if the Sabbath was made for man - why are you attempting to be legalistic about when it is kept - on which day.

The sabbath was made for man, no doubt, so by pointing that out im being 'legalistic?' I'm merely pointing out that the sabbath isn't on sunday, and that sunday worship was never instituted in the Bible.

If folk didn't want to be "under the law" they would gladly choose saturday instead on the catholic sabbath.

There can be little doubt which day God the Father expects us to rest,

Isn't the point that there should be a day of rest, a day set aside to worship?

You bet! And that day is the seventh-day sabbath, not sunday.

 

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I was going to say they're all dead and awaiting resurrection on "the last day."

BTW, the Catholic church has never recounted any of the quotes attributed to those that I have posted and frankly, this represents the official position of the church.

They represent the teaching passed downby the apostles which is the same one that the Church teaches today.

I haven't really had time to look through each of the quotes, I was just saying that parish bulletins and Catholic Newspapers aren't some of the best sources for Catholic Doctrine. Here is the Catechism on why Catholics worship on Sunday if you please.

Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:

"Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death."

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all." Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

The quote in that was once again Ignatius of Antioch.

This is the same catholic church that changed the 10 commandments of God to fit with their doctrine.

Catholic
Ten Commandments

Psst, guess which commandment is missing.

The Catholic Church didn't change anything about the Ten Commandmants. Protestants and Catholics number them differently but nonetheless they are all there.