Catholic Apostacy

[Guest]

The Catholic Church didn't change anything about the Ten Commandmants. Protestants and Catholics number them differently but nonetheless they are all there.

Not true according to the website that RND provided.

Perhaps you have a different website that you could provide aj.

 

[aj830]

Not true according to the website that RND provided.

Perhaps you have a different website that you could provide aj.

If you are playing at the fact that the word "idol" is not used, it is understood by Catholics that having "no strange Gods" before him means no idols. This websites numbered form is an easy way to remember the Ten Commandments, not the word for word verbatim of Ex 20:2-14 and Deut 5:6-18.

If you have any doubts about Catholic teaching on idols here you go.

Idolatry

2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them." God, however, is the "living God" who gives life and intervenes in history.

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon." Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast" refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.

2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. The commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man's innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who "transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God."

 

[RND]

If you are playing at the fact that the word "idol" is not used, it is understood by Catholics that having "no strange Gods" before him means no idols. This websites numbered form is an easy way to remember the Ten Commandments, not the word for word verbatim of Ex 20:2-14 and Deut 5:6-18.

If you have any doubts about Catholic teaching on idols here you go.

The web site in question is from a"catholic" web site.

I have copied them and numbered them for your edification. Underneath each, I have put the actual commandment as found in the book of Exodus. Feel free to make up your mind if the catholic church changed the commandments to fit their doctrine.


1) I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:2-3

2)Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Exodus 20:4-5

Note: This is the one the catholics changed cause they love praying to Mother Mary

3) Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day.

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Exodus 20:7

4) Honor thy Father and thy Mother.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11

5) Thou shalt not kill.

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Exodus 20:12

6)Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Thou shalt not kill. Exodus 20:13

7)Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not commit adultery. Exodus 20:14

8)Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Thou shalt not steal. Exodus 20:15

9)Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Exodus 20:16

10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. Exodus 20:17

Now, it should come as no surprise that the catholic church thought to change the direct commandments of God to suit their own pagan religion. The Bible specifically says that the catholic church hierarchy would do this.

Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

What time has the catholic church changed? The sabbath

What laws have they sought to change? The 10 Commandments.

 

[RND]

If you are playing at the fact that the word "idol" is not used, it is understood by Catholics that having "no strange Gods" before him means no idols. This websites numbered form is an easy way to remember the Ten Commandments, not the word for word verbatim of Ex 20:2-14 and Deut 5:6-18.

If you have any doubts about Catholic teaching on idols here you go.

We are dealing with the making of graven images, not bowwing down to idols. The catholic church changed the 2nd commandment to fit the false religion.

 

[RND]

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:

"Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death."

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all." Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

This is completely false and has absolutely no truth in it based on anything in the scriptures. It is completely and utterly false doctrine.

 

[RND]

I forgot to highlight the small print at the bottom of the web site page in question, it is printed in complete context for you approval.

Catholic Catechism by Peter Cardinal Gasparri, "published with Ecclesiastical approval" and bearing the imprimatur of Patrick Cardinal Hayes, Archbishop, New York. P. J. Kenedy & Sons, 1932.

Now "published with Ecclesiastical approval" simply means that it's 'kosher' and has received the vatican's blessing and approval. Whenever you see this trademark if you will regarding any catholic doctrine then you know it is a directly from and approved by the Vatican.

 

[aj830]

The web site in question is from a"catholic" web site.

Yes and as I said it is a form shortened so it will be easier to remember but still contains the message. I believe I said it is not a word for word verbatim. This is what we call a "Traditional Catechetical Formula" of the Ten Commandmants. If you look in the beggining of the section of the Catechism on the Ten Commandments you will find the Exodus, the Deuteronomy, and the Catechetical Formula all right next to each other. The Deuteronomy and Exodus lists Catholics believe in just as firmly, I assure you. If you're eager you can read the 100 page section dealing with the Ten Commandments in the Catechism if you wish to get a good understanding of what Catholics believe on this issue

 

[aj830]

This is completely false and has absolutely no truth in it based on anything in the scriptures. It is completely and utterly false doctrine.

I am assuming you are a Seventh Day Adventist? Correct me if I am wrong. Please tell me what you find wrong with it.

Was the OP on Sunday vs. Sabbath? I kind of jumped in the middle. If not maybe we could take this to another thread?

 

[RND]

Yes and as I said it is a form shortened so it will be easier to remember but still contains the message. I believe I said it is not a word for word verbatim. This is what we call a "Traditional Catechetical Formula" of the Ten Commandmants. If you look in the beggining of the section of the Catechism on the Ten Commandments you will find the Exodus, the Deuteronomy, and the Catechetical Formula all right next to each other. The Deuteronomy and Exodus lists Catholics believe in just as firmly, I assure you. If you're eager you can read the 100 page section dealing with the Ten Commandments in the Catechism if you wish to get a good understanding of what Catholics believe on this issue

Bro, you can clearly see that the second commandment has been completely removed. This can be further verified by the official web site of the catholic catechism from the seat of the beast itself at the vatican.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church - 10 Commandments

Here we can see just exactly how the beast has 'gutted' the holy and just law of God.

 

[RND]

I am assuming you are a Seventh Day Adventist? Correct me if I am wrong. Please tell me what you find wrong with it.

Yes, I'm an Adventist and there is no truth in what you provided. If it isn't true then it's a lie.

Was the OP on Sunday vs. Sabbath? I kind of jumped in the middle. If not maybe we could take this to another thread?

Neither. I think I highjacked it. A so-called protestant was railing against the catholics and I asked what the big deal is considering protestants love following mom around!

 

[stranger]

It appears that there are a growing number of misunderstandings on this tread - nevertheless, I can think of no greater promise than the following: 'there therefore remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God'.
Amen.

 

[francisdesales]

Bro, you can clearly see that the second commandment has been completely removed.

Oh boy. So now the Catholic Church has only 9 commandments to follow...

You sure about that, bro?

The rest of your obnoxious post is not worth responding to.

 

[Guest]

Oh boy. So now the Catholic Church has only 9 commandments to follow...

You sure about that, bro?

The rest of your obnoxious post is not worth responding to.

He didn't say that the RCC only has 9 - but rather they have a different numbering to theirs.

I did not realize that the RCC numbered the 10 commandments differently.

 

[RND]

Oh boy. So now the Catholic Church has only 9 commandments to follow...

You sure about that, bro?

The rest of your obnoxious post is not worth responding to.

Why get mad at me for pointing out the catholic church abolished the 2nd commandment to fit their own theology?

Kill the messenger....not the message.

Brilliant!

 

[RND]

He didn't say that the RCC only has 9 - but rather they have a different numbering to theirs.

I did not realize that the RCC numbered the 10 commandments differently.

Or eliminated one completely!

 

[RND]

It appears that there are a growing number of misunderstandings on this tread - nevertheless, I can think of no greater promise than the following: 'there therefore remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God'.
Amen.

Sabbatismos - an observing of the sabbath. Sabbath rest remains.

 

[aj830]

Bro, you can clearly see that the second commandment has been completely removed. This can be further verified by the official web site of the catholic catechism from the seat of the beast itself at the vatican.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church - 10 Commandments

Here we can see just exactly how the beast has 'gutted' the holy and just law of God.

OK. Look at the link you provided. That is the section I was referring to before. It has all three versions of the Commandments. Catholics are to follow them as the Bible says them. The last one is simply a more simplified version that is used for teaching and memorization. Catholics follow all of the Commandments as listed in Exodus and Deuteronomy that is why they are both listed along with the simplified Catechetical formula. If you look there is a whole section condemning idolatry in the Catechism that goes in to detail. I posted part of it up.

You are really making a big deal out of nothing. Catholics simply use that for a more simplified form of the Ten Commandments. For teaching and memorization it is easy to see that no strange gods before him condemns graven images and idolatry. Now in the Catechism the Church expands exactly what each of these things are and condemns them in detail. And even so we have confirmed that we believe the Deuteronomy and Exodus list(as we believe in all the Bible), the link you provided proves this.

 

[aj830]

Yes, I'm an Adventist and there is no truth in what you provided. If it isn't true then it's a lie.

Neither. I think I highjacked it. A so-called protestant was railing against the catholics and I asked what the big deal is considering protestants love following mom around!

Well, I will start a thread on Sunday and the Sabbath if you like and we can continue discussing the Ten Commandments issue on this thread if you like.

 

[RND]

OK. Look at the link you provided.

Yes. It's from the Vatican.

That is the section I was referring to before. It has all three versions of the Commandments. Catholics are to follow them as the Bible says them. The last one is simply a more simplified version that is used for teaching and memorization.

I'm sorry, but you are not being honest. The 2nd Commandment has been taken away completely. There is no reference to making "graven" imagaes in the catholic version of the ten commandments. You are disingenuous at best, telling absolute lies at worst.

Catholics follow all of the Commandments as listed in Exodus and Deuteronomy that is why they are both listed along with the simplified Catechetical formula. If you look there is a whole section condemning idolatry in the Catechism that goes in to detail. I posted part of it up.

Idolitry is not then same as making a graven image. You can worship an idol that isn't a graven image.

You are really making a big deal out of nothing. Catholics simply use that for a more simplified form of the Ten Commandments. For teaching and memorization it is easy to see that no strange gods before him condemns graven images and idolatry.

Again, idolitry and making a graven image are two separate and distinct things. Besides, by what authority, other than there own, does the catholic heirarchy claim it can change God's commandments?

Now in the Catechism the Church expands exactly what each of these things are and condemns them in detail. And even so we have confirmed that we believe the Deuteronomy and Exodus list(as we believe in all the Bible), the link you provided proves this.

Nice try.

 

[Vic C.]

I ran across this at my nephew's first communion about 3-4 years ago. I asked a couple of people, a nun and an usher, why there was no "No graven image" commandment, but instead, two "no coveting" commandments. They didn't know. :-?