Child Baptism?

[jasoncran]

It is all about how you want to live your life. If you want to raise your kids to be a blind leader only later to come up if ever with justification (Because let's be honest there are people on all sides of the fence that are just plain dumb) ok that is fine by me, but as long as that doesn't infringe on my right to let my kids choose. I'm all about intellectual honesty so I couldn't let myself tell my kids when I know their brains aren't developed about gods or the lack there of. It will be a non issue and I will let them choose like I have chosen myself. But regardless I will love them, be they an atheist, christian, islam, gay or straight. As long as they are healthy and happy I don't care.

we dont do that with telling what is wrong or right no do we.

we dont say its ok to steal and lie and fight or dont teach them these are wrong and let them decide.

your arguement is weak on that basis. you have a right to teach your worldview. if you dont think you are doing that with your kids, kindly stop parenting as they will mimic you when you dont speak or do.

 

[WalkingOnAir]

we dont do that with telling what is wrong or right no do we.

we dont say its ok to steal and lie and fight or dont teach them these are wrong and let them decide.

your arguement is weak on that basis. you have a right to teach your worldview. if you dont think you are doing that with your kids, kindly stop parenting as they will mimic you when you dont speak or do.

In my first post I clarified this and maybe I wasn't clear enough, sorry. :D

I am only talking about world view, not moral compass or which some say in ingrained. Fighting, cheating, stealing, etc the way you push it in is a red herring. I didn't even tell you my personally opinion or worldview... I just said I want to raise my children with an open mind what is so wrong about that?

 

[A-Christian]

As to my understanding of the situation, infant baptism deals in the thought process that by baptizing an infant, their sins have been now removed and they are thus marked by God and in good standing with Him, regardless of how they live their lives.

I never heard that one before. Who believes in that?

 

[jasoncran]

In my first post I clarified this and maybe I wasn't clear enough, sorry. :D

I am only talking about world view, not moral compass or which some say in ingrained. Fighting, cheating, stealing, etc the way you push it in is a red herring. I didn't even tell you my personally opinion or worldview... I just said I want to raise my children with an open mind what is so wrong about that?

because you are posting here and claim we are wrong for indoctrinating our kids.

thus we are wrong and you are right, hardly open. one must stand for something and have convictions. yours are moral relavitinistic in nature and also they appear to be humanistic.

you wont have to worry about kids hearing the opposing view, trust me. they will hear it in school and in the media.

 

[A-Christian]

Peter explained what happens at baptism when he said, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. He added, "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39).

In Acts 22 we also read: "Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16).

These commands are universal, not restricted to adults. Furthermore, these commands make clear the necessary connection between baptism and salvation, a connection explicitly stated in 1 Peter 3:21: "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

 

[WalkingOnAir]

because you are posting here and claim we are wrong for indoctrinating our kids.

thus we are wrong and you are right, hardly open. one must stand for something and have convictions. yours are moral relavitinistic in nature and also they appear to be humanistic.

you wont have to worry about kids hearing the opposing view, trust me. they will hear it in school and in the media.

Sorry not quite to sure what "relavitinistic" means.... Do you mean relativist?

But anyway again in my last post I said by all means I don't care if you do and if you go full on 100% indoctrination. I just won't do that and don't think it is intellectually honest FOR MYSELF, not you. Also I specifically pointed out that I am ok with this as long as it doesn't affect society in a way that is unfit or unfair. AKA Infringing upon others rights.

 

[jasoncran]

Sorry not quite to sure what "relavitinistic" means.... Do you mean relativist?

But anyway again in my last post I said by all means I don't care if you do and if you go full on 100% indoctrination. I just won't do that and don't think it is intellectually honest FOR MYSELF, not you. Also I specifically pointed out that I am ok with this as long as it doesn't affect society in a way that is unfit or unfair. AKA Infringing upon others rights.

you are contradicting your self as you proclaim that lying is wrong and teach it as such.

why do you claim that lying is wrong? by what authority? that is what i mean.

 

[WalkingOnAir]

you are contradicting your self as you proclaim that lying is wrong and teach it as such.

why do you claim that lying is wrong? by what authority? that is what i mean.

I am not contradicting myself, I was only speaking about world views. Is lying a world view?

Oh where do I get my morals from? Doesn't matter, like I have said before my religion in only important to myself alone and I would rather not share. But I get my morals from the same place as everyone else, my brain where that comes from you could argue and that is a path I would rather not go down.

 

[jasoncran]

I am not contradicting myself, I was only speaking about world views. Is lying a world view?

Oh where do I get my morals from? Doesn't matter, like I have said before my religion in only important to myself alone and I would rather not share. But I get my morals from the same place as everyone else, my brain where that comes from you could argue and that is a path I would rather not go down.

somebody TAUGHT you that it was wrong and somebody or entity programmed men to say that its wrong.

men or a God that created man decided what was right or wrong

i gather that you are an agnostic athiest or other.

religions are a word view and like it or not your life will influence children and they will know you are a whatever you are and they will be influence. you cant tell your kid dont do what i do because i want you not to be when they want to or ask.

children imitate at an early age. if not then why do smoking parents are more likely to have kids who do the same? and the same with alcohol.

you cant raise your kid in a self contained vacuum from you. they will see yours and be influenced by it.

at some point as a teen or adult they will decide for themselves even if they are raised in christian homes.

being raised in a church doens make you a christian.
that is the whole problem with your argument and alabaster will agree that one must choose christ to be a christian and make it to heaven.

 

[Scotth1960]

Friends, Truth is not determined by opinion polls, but by the Spirit of Christ Who proceedeth from the Father, speaking in Scripture (John 16:13) Who leads Christians into all of the truth. Which is in Christ Jesus. Amen. In Erie Scott H.:nod

 

[WalkingOnAir]

somebody TAUGHT you that it was wrong and somebody or entity programmed men to say that its wrong.

men or a God that created man decided what was right or wrong

i gather that you are an agnostic athiest or other.

religions are a word view and like it or not your life will influence children and they will know you are a whatever you are and they will be influence. you cant tell your kid dont do what i do because i want you not to be when they want to or ask.

children imitate at an early age. if not then why do smoking parents are more likely to have kids who do the same? and the same with alcohol.

you cant raise your kid in a self contained vacuum from you. they will see yours and be influenced by it.

at some point as a teen or adult they will decide for themselves even if they are raised in christian homes.

being raised in a church doens make you a christian.
that is the whole problem with your argument and alabaster will agree that one must choose christ to be a christian and make it to heaven.

I am going to make this clear then I am dropping it. We can let this devolve into a free will argument and where do our morals come from? Subjective? Objective? But it doesn't matter for regardless we are all on the same level. And nope you got your guess wrong. :D

 

[Jael]

Good scripture reference Jael. And I made a very interesting discovery from you bringing out this scripture. I mostly read KJV but I happen to have a catholic Bible and by chance I just picked it up and read it. To my amazement it completely takes this scripture out! It does not fill anything in it just goes v. 36 to v. 38. Amazing!

Wow, really? That is pretty startling...

 

[jasoncran]

I am going to make this clear then I am dropping it. We can let this devolve into a free will argument and where do our morals come from? Subjective? Objective? But it doesn't matter for regardless we are all on the same level. And nope you got your guess wrong. :D

so if you claim christ then why would you violate the command given raise up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he shall not depart from it.

odd for some who knows christ to not what thier kids to know him.

if had my own or a chance to raise my step-grandkids directly they would know that being gay is bad, and that porn is bad and that they need a savior.

i was a bisexual male and was delivered, why in the world wouldnt tell them that isnt right if feel strongly about my convictions.

 

[WalkingOnAir]

so if you claim christ then why would you violate the command given raise up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he shall not depart from it.

odd for some who knows christ to not what thier kids to know him.

if had my own or a chance to raise my step-grandkids directly they would know that being gay is bad, and that porn is bad and that they need a savior.

i was a bisexual male and was delivered, why in the world wouldnt tell them that isnt right if feel strongly about my convictions.

More of a new agey type person. But I guess I will answer your question with a question of my own, why do you ignore the commandment to not eat shellfish? I will live the way I want while I keep my views I love science and study physics. I have found that in a lot of aspects the bible is wrong, more of a poetic book on how to live your life. If God is good and all perfect I would think that as long as I am good and do not kill or the like I shall be fine. To each their own.

 

[Alabaster]

It is all about how you want to live your life. If you want to raise your kids to be a blind leader only later to come up if ever with justification (Because let's be honest there are people on all sides of the fence that are just plain dumb) ok that is fine by me, but as long as that doesn't infringe on my right to let my kids choose. I'm all about intellectual honesty so I couldn't let myself tell my kids when I know their brains aren't developed about gods or the lack there of. It will be a non issue and I will let them choose like I have chosen myself. But regardless I will love them, be they an atheist, christian, islam, gay or straight. As long as they are healthy and happy I don't care.

As Christians we don't want to raise our children according to what the world dictates. We do so according to how God says. People who raise their children to make their own choices regarding faith are ABDICATING their God-given roles and they will reap what they sow in the end.

If it is OK for anyone who has a relationship with Jesus Christ that their children grow up and become atheists, muslims, or homosexuals, then their faith is lukewarm at best, compromised by the world.

You can be sure where you may be non-committal about teaching your children about the one true God, others will be very much invested in removing anything they have learned about Him and replacing it with the hellish lies they believe. Now, that is indoctrination.

Good luck reversing it without a firm foundation in Jesus Christ. Oh, but then again, you say you don't care.

 

[jasoncran]

More of a new agey type person. But I guess I will answer your question with a question of my own, why do you ignore the commandment to not eat shellfish? I will live the way I want while I keep my views I love science and study physics. I have found that in a lot of aspects the bible is wrong, more of a poetic book on how to live your life. If God is good and all perfect I would think that as long as I am good and do not kill or the like I shall be fine. To each their own.

why? that is clearly done away with paul mentioned that with food for the belly and the belly for the drought.

think about it also the lord said that he said that which goes inside you doesnt make you unclean but rather that which cometh out.

 

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[Alabaster]

I am not contradicting myself, I was only speaking about world views. Is lying a world view?

Oh where do I get my morals from? Doesn't matter, like I have said before my religion in only important to myself alone and I would rather not share. But I get my morals from the same place as everyone else, my brain where that comes from you could argue and that is a path I would rather not go down.

May I ask you if you are a born again Christian?

 

[A-Christian]

I mostly read KJV but I happen to have a catholic Bible and by chance I just picked it up and read it. To my amazement it completely takes this scripture out! It does not fill anything in it just goes v. 36 to v. 38. Amazing!

There is more to that story so don't jump to conclusions. Do a little homework.

 

[jasoncran]

read on down alabaster he states is a new ager.