Christianity Delusion

[jcolosi39]

If Christianity is a Delusion, then why are there so many (genuine) people convinced and persuaded by this so called delusion?

How can it be Random?

If you say no one has ever said that, remember who is the main character of Christianity and that he has been called a delusion.

 

[Rookie]

They would say, all of em in the delusional.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I mean, couldn't the same be asked of other religions?

 

[jcolosi39]

Well Christianity and God are Based on Truth and the antagonist of Christianity is responsible for what is false.

And the Antagonist was originally on the light side with God.

So I realize there are many convinced of false religions.

So I guess I could ask the question: why does religion come into existence at all?

Do you think religion could be formed in a way that is random and without a Supreme Being?

And the Antagonist of Christianity likes to mimic the creator and tries to be God.

Maybe he stole the good traits of religion and injected and saturated the false religions with lies and falsehood.

Have a good night. Peace to the Spiritual Fam - J

 

[Rookie]

Well Christianity and God are Based on Truth and the antagonist of Christianity is responsible for what is false.

And the Antagonist was originally on the light side with God.

So I realize there are many convinced of false religions.

So I guess I could ask the question: why does religion come into existence at all?

Do you think religion could be formed in a way that is random and without a Supreme Being?

And the Antagonist of Christianity likes to mimic the creator and tries to be God.

Maybe he stole the good traits of religion and injected and saturated the false religions with lies and falsehood.

Have a good night. Peace to the Spiritual Fam - J

It may sound "intolerant", but since Christ is the only way, all other ways are false ways, that means satan, the king od falsehood, is behind every other religion, in an attempt to give a false impression, because every religion presents a way, but not THE Way.

Like Tony Evans said in a sermon, "If your religion is not connected to a relationship with God, demons can infect your religion" (paraphrasing). And not just with Christianity, there is a demon assigned at every other religion, if God didn't exist (well we wouldn't exist as nothing can come from nothing), but there would be no religion in my opinion. THough I see the point of people who think it will exist.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I think other religions are attempts to connect with God. Not successful attempts though.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
Here's another way to look at Christianity and turn the argument/debate around jcolosi39.

What if my belief in Jesus is delusional?
What have I lost?
I didn't get high.
I have never been in jail.
I have only been drunk a couple of times in my life. (Young, dumb, and stupid)
I didn't run around and try to be a playboy.
I missed all that and countless other things.
I have lived a normal, decent, civil life.
What has my delusion caused me to miss?
The absolute worst thing is that they will bury me and that will be all there is to my life.
I still won't know I'm wrong.
You and I will wind up in the same place.
You won't know you are right.

Now think about the worst thing that can happen to you if I am correct and you are wrong.
You will know forever that you are wrong.
I am going to be having beers with my guardian angels, thanking them for taking care of me.
You are going to be in a place called "outer darkness. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. If it is anywhere close to what Jesus described in Luke 15, you will be thirsty. And this never goes away.

You were offered peace, joy, and happiness that will never end. You don't have to do anything to obtain them. Just receive them by the grace of God, through faith in His Son Jesus. But you called it delusional. There is still time to change your mind. But I am not changing my mind.

Try doing something like that jcolosi39. Sometimes when a person sees the negative for what it is, it opens their eyes to the truth.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[miamited]

Hi jcolosi39
While I don't believe that christianity is a hoax, I can certainly understand that human beings do get deceived quite regularly. I mean, how is it that several million people on the earth believe in Allah and that the faithful men are all going to get to live with 23 virgins for eternity. Who in the world could possibly believe such an outrageous claim? But there are people who do. Why would their god provide some man with 23 virgins at his beck and call for eternity and where in the world do they get such ideas?

God bless,
Ted

 

[Christ_empowered]

Psych labels are used to demean and dismiss people one doesn’t want to deal with. As in…

Trump is a narcissist etc. I’m not a trump fast all. I think he’s a criminal and he belongs under the jail. But i refrain from psych labels.

Christians are delusional. This labels the real believers in a 2000 year old religion as sick and in need of some sort of treatment. More importantly…

Delusional equals ? dismissed. They’re crazy don’t listen ?. Perhaps ? yo the extent of they’re crazy ? they need drugs and confinement labels and stigma…

That’s what psychiatry is all about anyway.

In the ussr there was a peculiar form of schizophrenia they’d label people with…sluggish schizophrenia. It was fairly obvious the whole point was to label and invalidate sometimes confine those labeled.

 

[jcolosi39]

miamited I believe people get deceived because they are deceived by the deceiver. Lucifer was originally a blameless being created by God and given good traits. But when he became evil all that goodness in him became twisted and warped and unclean and immoral.

 

[miamited]

miamited I believe people get deceived because they are deceived by the deceiver. Lucifer was originally a blameless being created by God and given good traits. But when he became evil all that goodness in him became twisted and warped and unclean and immoral.

Hi jcolosi39

While I'm sure there are many such cases, I think we should also consider that God's word says that man's heart is wicked. So, while I agree that Satan does have the ability to offer deceptive ideas, as he is claimed to have done with Eve...it was Eve's choice to believe the lie and be deceived and thus sin came into the perfect world of God. I'm confident that a lot of the deception that we see in others, and ourselves, today, is likely self-induced deception. But yes, as regards Satan himself, the Scriptures are clear that at one time he was a perfect angel of God, but then he entertained the thought of himself being higher than God.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Tenchi]

If Christianity is a Delusion, then why are there so many (genuine) people convinced and persuaded by this so called delusion?

How can it be Random?

If you say no one has ever said that, remember who is the main character of Christianity and that he has been called a delusion.

A delusion isn't necessarily random. Delusions often arise from distinct but wonky beliefs, like the Woke crazies thinking men can be women and vice versa, or that racism is not racism when a minority is racist, or equal opportunity must produce equal outcomes, and so on.

Also, what you're using as a basic argument is what's called "Argumentum ad Populum," which is a logical fallacy. This argument contends that a thing is true because a majority of people think that it is. But a majority of people in Europe once thought the Sun revolved around the earth. At one time, many people in Europe thought that disease could be cured by bleeding the diseased person. In various ancient cultures, the majority belief was that human sacrifice was necessary to appease demonic "gods." And so on. It is fallacious, then, to argue that a thing is true because many people are convinced that it is.

As a Christian, I believe what I do because I have very robust philosophical, historical, even scientific reasons to do so, as well as a distinct, concrete daily experience of the God revealed to me in His word, the Bible.

www.crossexamined.org
www.coldcasechristianity.com
www.reasonablefaith.org
www.str.org

 

[Mr. G Lee]

So I guess I could ask the question: why does religion come into existence at all?

Religion is belief.

Atheists are super religious they teach there is no God. Gods calls them fools.

They as false prophets' false apostles are sent by the god of this world the father of lies.. .as a lying teaching authority. (antichrists)

The kind of religion God puts his stamp of approval on in the parable below. Using the fatherless to represent the household of faith that have been adopted into the born-again Abba family and widows to represent the previous position not espoused as the wife of Christ.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world

Galatians 6:9-11King James Version9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Big ministry to the widows' men and women.

 

[for_his_glory]

Latin root word for religion is bondage, which is different then that of Gods pure religion of James 1:27, but that of following tradition and the doctrine of a mans church, not Gods true Church. The Latin root word is religare as re is a prefix that means return and ligare means to bind. Religion tells you what you can and cannot do and becomes socially acceptable by mans interpretations, traditions and doctrines. Religion is what nailed Christ to the cross because the Bible is not socially acceptable to society, if it were then Christ would have died in vain. God is not about mans religion, nor does he recognize religion of any kind. God is about a personal relationship with you and His son Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

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[Tenchi]

God is not about mans religion, nor does he recognize religion of any kind.

James 1:26-27
26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless.
27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

"Religion" is commonly defined as: "...an institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices." Christianity is definitely a religion. It has a very clearly-defined set of orthodox doctrines and practices, established in, and limited by, an objective, authoritative source (the Bible). But this doesn't mean that Christianity isn't also about the individual's relationship with God. The two things - religion and relationship - don't HAVE to be mutually-exclusive things and, in the case of Christianity, the religion (systematized doctrines and practices) gives vital shape and structure to the Christian's relationship with their Maker.

 

[miamited]

HI jcolosi39

then why are there so many (genuine) people convinced and persuaded by this so called delusion?

Yes, I would agree here that this isn't really a valid test of the genuineness of christianity. After all, I'm sure there are (whatever you mean by 'genuine') people who practice Islam and fully believe that there will be 23 virgins awaiting them in whatever kingdom it is that they're going to. I think you'll find that there are 'genuine' people that believe a lot of weird stuff. Consider the journey that Bruce Jenner believed was the truth.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Who Me]

If Christianity is a Delusion, then why are there so many (genuine) people convinced and persuaded by this so called delusion

Could supply evidence of who calls Christianity a delusion and links to there articles.

What is reality?

Is the Christian world view reality or is the atheists wor.d view reality?

Is life totally meaningless or is purpose, meaning and value found in Jesus?

 

[jcolosi39]

Who Me hey Who Me, here is the evidence that Christianity is said of as a Delusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

For Jesus is a Member of the Trinity and is God. If The Main Character of Christianity is Described as a Delusion, then the surrounding Worldview is also credited as a delusion because everything within that worldview is related to the Source/Origin who is God/Christ/The Trinity.

I Believe Reality is Our First Person Perspective on Life that is Exclusive to all of us and a Gift from God.

I Believe the Christian World View is Reality because I have Genuine Faith in Christ. For there are two main choices when it comes to existence:
1 God Created Universe
2 Big Bang/Natural Selection/Evolution

I can never believe in Naturalism because it makes everything seem random. With so many individuals having more than one valuable gifts from God ex's out the possibility of things being random or just because.

I believe life is destiny and has a purpose. Meaning is found in the Origin who is Maker God and Christ.
I believe everything is destiny and God is the Creator of it. For the word says today is the day that God has made, not the day that we have made.

PTL for God and Eternal Life IJN AMN

 

[Who Me]

Who Me hey Who Me, here is the evidence that Christianity is said of as a Delusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

For Jesus is a Member of the Trinity and is God. If The Main Character of Christianity is Described as a Delusion, then the surrounding Worldview is also credited as a delusion because everything within that worldview is related to the Source/Origin who is God/Christ/The Trinity.

I Believe Reality is Our First Person Perspective on Life that is Exclusive to all of us and a Gift from God.

I Believe the Christian World View is Reality because I have Genuine Faith in Christ. For there are two main choices when it comes to existence:
1 God Created Universe
2 Big Bang/Natural Selection/Evolution

I can never believe in Naturalism because it makes everything seem random. With so many individuals having more than one valuable gifts from God ex's out the possibility of things being random or just because.

I believe life is destiny and has a purpose. Meaning is found in the Origin who is Maker God and Christ.
I believe everything is destiny and God is the Creator of it. For the word says today is the day that God has made, not the day that we have made.

PTL for God and Eternal Life IJN AMN

Had you said, the God delusion, I might have realised you meant Dawkins.
I haven't read the God delusion, but I would strongly recommend a reply to it by david robinson the Dawkins Letters.
In it he takes each chapter of the God Delusion apart. It is a short book but we'll worth reading.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
Ponder this jcolosi39: How does faith become reality?

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is substance according to Hebrews.
Substance means:
1. a particular kind of matter with uniform properties.
2. the real physical matter of which a person or thing consists and which has a tangible, solid presence.

Faith has a tangible solid presence in the life of the believer. Our faith in Jesus has uniform properties that all true believers agree with. (Receiving Jesus, prayer, joy in one's heart, waiting for His return, etc.)
Faith is also the evidence of things not seen. If things can exist but not be seen in the physical universe, then why can't faith be true in the same way?

The existence of quarks is a given in Science. But nobody has ever seen one. We can't see quarks, but we can see the phenomena predicted by them, so it's safe to say that quarks exist.
That is evidence of things not seen.

I also read up there that religion is bondage. We cannot get away from this. Paul, in his letters, calls himself a prisoner, or fellowprisoner, of Jesus eight times. I know Paul had a sense of humor. He is showing it here. Being a prisoner of Christ makes you free.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I am free from bondage through Jesus. False religion is bondage because it is sin. All sin is bondage.But if we confess our sin Jesus will forgive us, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I read that somewhere!

Jesus is historical; He existed.
What He said changed the world.
How you react to what He said can change your life.
Faith is where it all starts.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Your faith is the gift of God. If you have it you know its real. People that don't have it will never understand it until they receive it for themselves.
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz