Colossians 2

[jocor]

Deborah13, can you please explain Matthew 5:17-19 and Romans 3:31 before I address your last post? How do you understand those verses?

 

[Deborah13]

jocor
Rom 3:27 Where then is the boasting? it was excluded; by what law? of works? no, but by a law of faith:
Rom 3:28 therefore do we reckon a man to be declared righteous by faith, apart from works of law.
Rom 3:29 The God of Jews only is He , and not also of nations?
Rom 3:30 yes, also of nations; since one is God who shall declare righteous the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through the faith.
Rom 3:31 Law then do we make useless through the faith? let it not be! yea, we do establish law.

There is no point in debating what 'establish law' means. We will just go in circles and never agree. We can't from those two words reach any solution without looking at other scripture.
I believe you are trying to say that Christians, Jew and Gentile, establish the law of Moses by keeping the Law of Moses. In short, I believe we keep the "intent" of the Law of Moses being....

1Pe 2:9 and ye are a choice race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired, that the excellences ye may shew forth of Him who out of darkness did call you to His wondrous light;
1Pe 2:10 who were once not a people, and are now the people of God; who had not found kindness, and now have found kindness.

Has any man been able to keep the laws of God perfectly besides the Messiah? No.
Paul said as a Pharisee under the Law of Moses he was blameless. Was he blameless under the law of Christ? Obviously he was not, he supervised the stoning of God's man Stephen and allowed the people to worship him for doing that.
Php 3:3 for we are the circumcision, who by the Spirit are serving God, and glorying in Christ Jesus, and in flesh having no trust,
Php 3:4 though I also have cause of trust in flesh. If any other one doth think to have trust in flesh, I more;
Php 3:5 circumcision on the eighth day! of the race of Israel! of the tribe of Benjamin! a Hebrew of Hebrews! according to law a Pharisee!
Php 3:6 according to zeal persecuting the assembly! according to righteousness that is in law becoming blameless!
Php 3:7 But what things were to me gains, these I have counted, because of the Christ, loss;

So what I see is that the law of Christ is a higher law than the law of Moses. So if the law of Moses is also the law of Christ than Paul and the council at Jerusalem were despicable liars and were leading the Gentile Christians away from the law of Christ. They decided that that the Gentiles would not be told they needed to obey the Law of Moses and therefore were telling them that they didn't need to obey the law of Christ! Yike! Is that true? No! The truth is that even the Jewish Christians did not need to obey the Law of Moses. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ.

One point of the Law of Moses was to keep a disobedient nation in line until the Messiah came.
It was to set that nation apart from all other nations (the wall of division), until the Seed should come bringing in the new covenant. The covenant called "the Law of Moses" is obsolete.
It was a picture of the sacrifice of the Messiah, Messiah the high priest, Messiah the mediator, etc.
It was a picture of His holy people, us, who follow the law of the Messiah in all things.

So like I said, if you are lead by the Holy Spirit to do the things in Moses Law that are not required for a Christian then by all means do them. Being obedient to the leading of the Holy Spirit is the Christian teaching.

 

[Deborah13]

jocor
Mat 5:17 `Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets--I did not come to throw down, but to fulfil;
Mat 5:18 for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.

Luk 24:44 and he said to them, `These are the words that I spake unto you, being yet with you, that it behoveth to be fulfilled all the things that are written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, about me.'
Luk 24:45 Then opened he up their understanding to understand the Writings,

These are the things that needed to be fulfilled before the old covenant - the Law of Moses - could become obsolete and vanish away and the new covenant be available, through Christ, to all peoples.

Luk 24:46 and he said to them--`Thus it hath been written, and thus it was behoving the Christ to suffer, and to rise out of the dead the third day,
Luk 24:47 and reformation and remission of sins to be proclaimed in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem:
Luk 24:48 and ye--ye are witnesses of these things.

 

[jocor]

It's not a contest. All those extra laws are really just sample applications of the first law to help those who don't understand how to apply the underlying principle within their lives. Yes, you are covered through the Holy Spirit's infinite adaptability to legalism, as are many who perceive less laws, or even more laws than you.

So, not stealing is an application of the first law. Correct? If so, then keeping the other nine of the ten commandments would be applications of the first as well. Correct? We fulfill loving Yahweh by obeying His commandments.

1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous.​

Is this principle extended to other commandments beyond the ten? Yes. We fulfill loving Yahweh by observing the Feasts, dietary laws, sanitation laws, laws governing marriage, sexual relations, etc. To not obey His laws is sin.

1John 3:4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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You call obedience to the law "legalism", but Scripture calls it love.

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[Eugene]

So, not stealing is an application of the first law. Correct? If so, then keeping the other nine of the ten commandments would be applications of the first as well. Correct? We fulfill loving Yahweh by obeying His commandments.

1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous.​

Is this principle extended to other commandments beyond the ten? Yes. We fulfill loving Yahweh by observing the Feasts, dietary laws, sanitation laws, laws governing marriage, sexual relations, etc. To not obey His laws is sin.

1John 3:4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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You call obedience to the law "legalism", but Scripture calls it love.

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Hi jocor, are you obedient to the law? Thanks.

 

[jocor]

Hi jocor, are you obedient to the law? Thanks.

I do the best I can to obey and when I fail (sin) I go before the Father pleading Yeshua's blood for my forgiveness.

 

[jocor]

I believe you are trying to say that Christians, Jew and Gentile, establish the law of Moses by keeping the Law of Moses. In short, I believe we keep the "intent" of the Law of Moses being....

OK. Let me see if I can use an example to explain your “intent”.

1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treads out the corn. Does God take care for oxen?​

Paul quoted those words to apply the “intent” that the Body of Messiah should care for his physical needs. What about the original intent? Under the NC, can a farmer now muzzle his oxen that tread his grain? No. This OC law still stands as written, but it can also be applied with a spiritual intent.

Has any man been able to keep the laws of God perfectly besides the Messiah? No.
Paul said as a Pharisee under the Law of Moses he was blameless. Was he blameless under the law of Christ? Obviously he was not, he supervised the stoning of God's man Stephen and allowed the people to worship him for doing that.

He was not under the law of Christ when Stephen was stoned. We are under the law of Christ when we enter the NC through receiving Yeshua as our Savior. Also, consider Luke 1:5-6;

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.​

A person could be blameless under the OC as long as they obeyed and offered the appropriate sacrifice.

So what I see is that the law of Christ is a higher law than the law of Moses. So if the law of Moses is also the law of Christ than Paul and the council at Jerusalem were despicable liars and were leading the Gentile Christians away from the law of Christ. They decided that that the Gentiles would not be told they needed to obey the Law of Moses and therefore were telling them that they didn't need to obey the law of Christ! Yike! Is that true? No! The truth is that even the Jewish Christians did not need to obey the Law of Moses. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ.

The law of Christ includes many of the laws of Moses that were not fulfilled, especially the ten commandments. What makes the law of Christ higher is that it is obeyed only through a relationship with Yeshua and with the indwelling Holy Spirit’s help.

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. Eze 36:26-27​

 

[jocor]

Mat 5:17 `Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets--I did not come to throw down, but to fulfil;
Mat 5:18 for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.

Luk 24:44 and he said to them, `These are the words that I spake unto you, being yet with you, that it behoveth to be fulfilled all the things that are written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, about me.'
Luk 24:45 Then opened he up their understanding to understand the Writings,

These are the things that needed to be fulfilled before the old covenant - the Law of Moses - could become obsolete and vanish away and the new covenant be available, through Christ, to all peoples.

Yeshua has NOT fulfilled all things written about him in the law or the prophets. He only fulfilled those things written about him in his first coming. He has yet to fulfill what is written about his second coming. Therefore, every iota and tittle still stands. If you insist on abolishing the law, then you must also abolish the prophets.

 

[Eugene]

I do the best I can to obey and when I fail (sin) I go before the Father pleading Yeshua's blood for my forgiveness.

If you only do your best, why would you consider that as being obedient? I am happy to hear that you know where to go in spite of your propensity to sin. Why do you think the law was given? Thanks.

 

[jocor]

If you only do your best, why would you consider that as being obedient? I am happy to hear that you know where to go in spite of your propensity to sin. Why do you think the law was given? Thanks.

I didn't say I was obedient, just that I try to be. Yeshua was obedient, all others are not (James 3:2). The goal is obedience through love, for Yeshua said, "Go and sin no more". Based on John 3:4 that means, "Go and transgress the law no more."

The law tells us when we sin. "For by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:20) If we abolish the law, we abolish the very thing that tells us we have sinned so we can go to Yahweh for forgiveness through Yeshua. The law actually drives us back to Yeshua after straying from him through sin (breaking the law).

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straightway forgets what manner of man he was.
But whoso looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. (James 1:23-25)​

The law is the mirror that points out the dirt (sin) on our face. If the mirror is marred in any way via being removed (abolished), broken, covered up, etc., then we will not see our sin. An example of this is the Sabbath. Some Christians abolish it totally. Some change it to Sunday. Some think they keep a Sabbath every day as they rest in Jesus. Either way, they have marred the mirror which says the 7th day is the Sabbath and therefore have no knowledge that they are breaking it. Thankfully, sins of ignorance are covered by Yeshua's blood.

 

[Deborah13]

Yeshua has NOT fulfilled all things written about him in the law or the prophets. He only fulfilled those things written about him in his first coming. He has yet to fulfill what is written about his second coming. Therefore, every iota and tittle still stands. If you insist on abolishing the law, then you must also abolish the prophets.

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Do you deny what He said in Luke? Please explain you understanding of Luke 24:44-48.

 

[jocor]

Yes, I believe Moses Law was made obsolete. I believe Christains are required to live by the law of Christ/law of the Spirit.
This is the way Paul said he lived.

1Co 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Jesus said,
Mat 5:14 `Ye are the light of the world, a city set upon a mount is not able to be hid;
Mat 5:15 nor do they light a lamp, and put it under the measure, but on the lamp-stand, and it shineth to all those in the house;
Mat 5:16 so let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and may glorify your Father who is in the heavens.

To use your driving analogy, CO has speed limit laws. If you obey them, then you are not "under the law". When you disobey and speed, you place yourself under its penalty. However, the fact that you don't speed does not mean that the speed limit law no longer exists. It is there so drivers will know when they are breaking the law. Can you imagine what would happen if CO abolished all driving laws? How about if the church abolished Yahweh's laws?

The "good works" of Matthew 5:16 include obeying Yahweh's laws which is why Yeshua made it a point to discuss the law in the verses that follow.

We are found to be righteous by faith, like Abraham, and are lead in our conscious by the Holy Spirit.
If your heart (conscious) is lead to keep the things of Moses Law, then by all means do them.
You know that doing these things does not earn your justification or sanctification that is only through Christ.
My heart (conscious) is lead to keep the two commandments given by the Messiah, the law of Christ.

So you don't keep, "Thou shall not steal"? What about laws against murder and adultery which Yeshua upheld? If you tell me that you automatically don't do those things because you obey the "two commandments", does your heart/conscience also keep you from eating swine's flesh, breaking the Sabbath and not getting tattoos?

 

[jocor]

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Do you deny what He said in Luke? Please explain you understanding of Luke 24:44-48.

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.
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Verse 44 does not say, "...that all things must be fulfilled [before I ascend to heaven]". Everything will definitely be fulfilled by him, but at this point in time there are more things to be fulfilled. Isaiah 53:12 is one example;

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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This prophecy concerning him will be fulfilled in our future. This prophecy cannot be abolished yet.

 

[Deborah13]

OK. Let me see if I can use an example to explain your “intent”.

1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treads out the corn. Does God take care for oxen?​

Paul quoted those words to apply the “intent” that the Body of Messiah should care for his physical needs. What about the original intent? Under the NC, can a farmer now muzzle his oxen that tread his grain? No. This OC law still stands as written, but it can also be applied with a spiritual intent.

No. I think I told you what I believe the intent of Moses Law was. This is what I said....

"In short, I believe we keep the "intent" of the Law of Moses being....

1Pe 2:9 and ye are a choice race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired, that the excellences ye may shew forth of Him who out of darkness did call you to His wondrous light;
1Pe 2:10 who were once not a people, and are now the people of God; who had not found kindness, and now have found kindness."

Here's an OT scripture...
Deu 26:18 `And Jehovah hath caused thee to promise to-day to become His people, a peculiar treasure, as He hath spoken to thee, and to keep all His commands;
Deu 26:19 so as to make thee uppermost above all the nations whom He hath made for a praise, and for a name, and for beauty, and for thy being a holy people to Jehovah thy God, as He hath spoken.

Moses Law with all it's rituals and requirements was different and strange to all the other nations of earth. It separated them from the pagan nations as the holy nation that the Messiah would come from. That Law of Moses was a wall between the Jews and non-Jews. By Messiah's death and resurrection that wall of division was torn down.
Now it is the law of Christ that separates us from all the other nations, a holy people, Jew and Gentile in Messiah.

He was not under the law of Christ when Stephen was stoned. We are under the law of Christ when we enter the NC through receiving Yeshua as our Savior. Also, consider Luke 1:5-6;

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.​

A person could be blameless under the OC as long as they obeyed and offered the appropriate sacrifice.

The law of Christ includes many of the laws of Moses that were not fulfilled, especially the ten commandments. What makes the law of Christ higher is that it is obeyed only through a relationship with Yeshua and with the indwelling Holy Spirit’s help.

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. Eze 36:26-27​

 

[Deborah13]

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.
​

Verse 44 does not say, "...that all things must be fulfilled [before I ascend to heaven]". Everything will definitely be fulfilled by him, but at this point in time there are more things to be fulfilled. Isaiah 53:12 is one example;

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
​

This prophecy concerning him will be fulfilled in our future. This prophecy cannot be abolished yet.

I believe in Luke He told them exactly what He meant when He said all the things about Him in the law, prophets, and psalms. It doesn't matter if there is other prophecy if He says exactly what He meant by that statement, does it?

So if you don't agree with my interpretation of Luke 24:44-48 would you please tell me what these scriptures do say, not what they don't say? Your argument is based on what they don't say.

 

[Eugene]

I didn't say I was obedient, just that I try to be. Yeshua was obedient, all others are not (James 3:2). The goal is obedience through love, for Yeshua said, "Go and sin no more". Based on John 3:4 that means, "Go and transgress the law no more."

The law tells us when we sin. "For by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:20) If we abolish the law, we abolish the very thing that tells us we have sinned so we can go to Yahweh for forgiveness through Yeshua. The law actually drives us back to Yeshua after straying from him through sin (breaking the law).

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straightway forgets what manner of man he was.
But whoso looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. (James 1:23-25)​

The law is the mirror that points out the dirt (sin) on our face. If the mirror is marred in any way via being removed (abolished), broken, covered up, etc., then we will not see our sin. An example of this is the Sabbath. Some Christians abolish it totally. Some change it to Sunday. Some think they keep a Sabbath every day as they rest in Jesus. Either way, they have marred the mirror which says the 7th day is the Sabbath and therefore have no knowledge that they are breaking it. Thankfully, sins of ignorance are covered by Yeshua's blood.

Hi jocor, and thanks for your reply. You say that “The law is the mirror that points out the dirt (sin) on our face,” whereas I read that the law is a ministration of death. To me there is nothing in death that can bring about life, and thus it can do nothing but point us to Jesus because we can’t keep the law.

You quote James 1:23 of one being a doer of the work, and what a blessing to a son of God to be presenting themselves as a light to others, but Paul stating that a doer of the law is blessed in Rom 2:13 I have to ask in context of salvation by grace through faith of Eph 2:8-9 when considering Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

You admitting that you don’t keep the law, but only try to has to evidently be at odds with what we’re dealing with in the law. Sin no more? First of all James is speaking to believers as to their reputation before men such as that we read of in Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Romans 2:13 shows the necessity of keeping all the law to be justified by them, and follows with Rom 3:23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Keeping the law does not provide nor keep our salvation.

My thoughts.

 

[jocor]

No. I think I told you what I believe the intent of Moses Law was. This is what I said....

"In short, I believe we keep the "intent" of the Law of Moses being....

1Pe 2:9 and ye are a choice race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired, that the excellences ye may shew forth of Him who out of darkness did call you to His wondrous light;
1Pe 2:10 who were once not a people, and are now the people of God; who had not found kindness, and now have found kindness."

Here's an OT scripture...
Deu 26:18 `And Jehovah hath caused thee to promise to-day to become His people, a peculiar treasure, as He hath spoken to thee, and to keep all His commands;
Deu 26:19 so as to make thee uppermost above all the nations whom He hath made for a praise, and for a name, and for beauty, and for thy being a holy people to Jehovah thy God, as He hath spoken.

Moses Law with all it's rituals and requirements was different and strange to all the other nations of earth. It separated them from the pagan nations as the holy nation that the Messiah would come from. That Law of Moses was a wall between the Jews and non-Jews. By Messiah's death and resurrection that wall of division was torn down.
Now it is the law of Christ that separates us from all the other nations, a holy people, Jew and Gentile in Messiah.

1 Pe 2:9-10 tells us nothing about the "intent" of the law. It only tells us about His people.

Israel became a great nation as a result of Yahweh's promise to Abraham;

Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:​

Their obedience to the law made them a peculiar treasure above all nations. Why? Because the nations walk in their own way of sin and Israel walk's in Yahweh's ways.

Your argument makes no sense. The law of Moses was a separating wall that was torn down so a new wall (the law of Christ) would separate them??? The wall of separation refers to man-made laws (dogma) that caused a separation between the two.

 

[jocor]

I believe in Luke He told them exactly what He meant when He said all the things about Him in the law, prophets, and psalms. It doesn't matter if there is other prophecy if He says exactly what He meant by that statement, does it?

So if you don't agree with my interpretation of Luke 24:44-48 would you please tell me what these scriptures do say, not what they don't say? Your argument is based on what they don't say.

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. (Yes, they MUST be fulfilled at their appointed times. Many were fulfilled during his earthly ministry, death, resurrection and ascension. Others will be fulfilled at his second coming)

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (the Scriptures that referred to those things that he fulfilled, not those things that he has yet to fulfill. BTW, heaven and earth have not passed away yet. They will after Yeshua returns and sets up Yahweh's Kingdom on earth)

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: (Scriptures referring to his death and resurrection which were fulfilled)

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things. (witnesses of his death and resurrection. Repentance means to reverse direction. Instead of breaking Yahweh's laws (sin) we reverse direction and keep His laws. You cannot repent of Sabbath breaking if there is no Sabbath law to keep.

 

[Sinthesis]

Actually the only reason Israel became a peculiar treasure above all nations is because Jesus was of Israel. From the beginning Israel has born the scars of their consistent failure to walk in God's ways.

 

[jocor]

Hi jocor, and thanks for your reply. You say that “The law is the mirror that points out the dirt (sin) on our face,” whereas I read that the law is a ministration of death. To me there is nothing in death that can bring about life, and thus it can do nothing but point us to Jesus because we can’t keep the law.

Under the OC, the law ministered death. If you broke the law, you sinned. The soul that sin, it shall die. However, under the NC, the law does not minister death because Yeshua took the death penalty upon himself. The Spirit gives life and the Spirit causes us to keep the law (Eze 36:26-27)

You quote James 1:23 of one being a doer of the work, and what a blessing to a son of God to be presenting themselves as a light to others, but Paul stating that a doer of the law is blessed in Rom 2:13 I have to ask in context of salvation by grace through faith of Eph 2:8-9 when considering Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

The grammar of your words is confusing, but if I understand you correctly, I agree that we are not justified by the law. That does not mean we do not need to obey the law. We MUST obey the law or we sin.

You admitting that you don’t keep the law, but only try to has to evidently be at odds with what we’re dealing with in the law. Sin no more? First of all James is speaking to believers as to their reputation before men such as that we read of in Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Romans 2:13 shows the necessity of keeping all the law to be justified by them, and follows with Rom 3:23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Keeping the law does not provide nor keep our salvation.

My thoughts.

I agree that keeping the law does not save us or keep us saved. We are all saved by grace through faith, but judged based on our works. Those that break the commandments and teach others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom. Those who obey and teach others to obey will be called great in the Kingdom. (Matthew 5:19)