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[_ Old Earth _] Continental split? Peleg's english name?

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pasta911 said:
Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom to make countless stars blaze away countless kilowatts of energy in every corner of this vast cosmos for no apparent purpose; and have the prize of his creation, the earth - which God worked on for "five" out of the "six days of creation" - receive only an infinitesimal portion of the energy expended by even the nearest star, the sun.
Any more, and we'd be dead.

[quote:669be]Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom to make faint galaxies, faint stars, asteroids, meteors, etc., that produce or reflect so little light that they are undetectable by the earth's inhabitants. [Yet it says in the Bible that all the objects in the firmament were created to "light" the earth, and "for signs and seasons" on earth.]
Yes earth past, present, and future. He knew we'd see them one day, the evidence mounts!

Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom to intentionally destroy his own cosmic designs, making stars in distant galaxies explode with such intensity that they stand out from all the rest of the hundreds of billions of stars in their immediate galaxy. The energies released by such novas also destroy any life forms (if they happen to exist) on planets circling stars within quite a few light-years of the nova.

The life was made right here, I'm OK, thank you. No supernova was seen before the seperation of the spiritual from the physical, now was it, 4400 years ago? No, probably a result of that very seperation. But don't worry, we will have a new heavens soon.

The cosmos also contains the remains of stellar explosions, like the Cygnus ring, a great expanding ring of matter. And there are whole galaxies seen in the process of colliding with one another; and weird "O-shaped" galaxies that are believed to be the remnants of one galaxy colliding and passing through another and turning it inside out.
Infantile guesses.

The Milky Way galaxy (that we all know and love, since it is where our solar system resides) is presently "ripping apart a helpless smaller galaxy in the constellation Sagittarius and will soon swallow millions of its stars." [See "To Kill a Galaxy" in Astronomy, Vol. 24, no. 12, Dec. 1996]
No, it won't, soon there will be a new universe, and this one will pass away, the physical only temporary one.

Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom to create large asteroids (like Icarus and Hermes) whose known orbits around the sun intersect with that of our own planet's orbit around the sun, ensuring that at some time in the near or distant future our planet will most likely collide with such objects.
Calm down, we are protected by God, He is moving here Himself, and besides, they may have originated here anyhow.

Furthermore, asteroids with "near-earth" orbits can have their orbits subtly altered by gravitational effects over time so that they intersect with earth's orbit. "433 Eros" (which is an asteroid twice the size of the one believed to have struck the earth and wiped out the dinosaurs) presently occupies a near-earth orbit. But recent computer simulations [discussed in the article, "Eros has Earth's Number" in Astronomy, Vol. 24, no. 12, Dec. 1996] have shown that the gravity from the planet Mars is very gradually moving that asteroid into an earth-crossing orbit. Astronomers have predicted that in less than 1.1 million years Eros could collide with the Earth.
Relax, we have just over a thousand years till the new universe appears.


Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom to create vacant worlds that circle the Sun along with the earth; and also create immense discs of matter, and planets, that have been detected circling other stars, i.e., countless acres of presumably uninhabited and barren territory.
Hey, do you think be fruitful and multiply was limited to earth?

(With the aid of the Hubble telescope, cloudy rings of matter have been detected circling about half of a hundred stars closely examined in the nearby Orion nebula. These stars are relatively young and the size of our own Sun or smaller. A number of stars near our Sun even have planets and/or discs of matter circling them. Unfortunately, our present astronomical instruments are not sensitive enough to detect earth-sized planets, just gigantic ones, and huge discs of matter, circling stars.
Cheer up, our cave manish science will improve when Jesus returns.


Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom to create dozens of moons in our solar system that can't be seen from Earth except with a telescope - Moons that provide light at night, or, "rule the nights" of uninhabited planets like Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.
Eternity will be filled with things to explore, thankfully.

Only a Designer would have had the infinite wisdom and compassion to make only a portion of the earth easily habitable by man, the rest being ocean surface, deserts, barren scrub lands, nearly impenetrable rain forests, swampland, frozen tundra, steep mountain ranges and cliff sides, or places lacking fresh water, or having little fresh water to offer.
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We were put in a garden, the rest of the earth was being made ready. We blew it, and jumped the gun, and so what we see is what we got!
 
Relax, we have just over a thousand years till the new universe appears.
I've seen many claims of the end of the world, return of or coming of the messiah, and other dates given. These come and go dozens every year. What date are you suggesting for this event and what are you basing this belief on?
 
Wertbag said:
Relax, we have just over a thousand years till the new universe appears.
I've seen many claims of the end of the world, return of or coming of the messiah, and other dates given. These come and go dozens every year. What date are you suggesting for this event and what are you basing this belief on?
The bible tells of a thousand year reign of Christ, after He returns to earth, commonly called the Millenium. After this period, we see that the present heavens pass away, and a new heavens and earth are revealed, that are eternal!
No longer in decay, and dying, and physical only, but also spiritual, and eternal!
 
dad said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
...That is illogical and contains an unfounded assumption, that nuclear decay can start or stop. Decay happens because a nucleus has too many or two few neutrons, it occurs because of a number of properties of quantum mechanics that can be seen occuring elsewhere and can be shown easily to be necessary for the existence of nuclei in general.
It occurs because we now live in a physical only universe, very logical. In the merged universe the spiritual element was there, and a different balance exists, not one of decay.

[quote:86e6d]You contend that nuclear decay did not happen in the far past, but you present no evidence that this is the case.
Neither do you present any that it did, neither can you, cause you can't! The bible tells us we will never die, and the sun and stars and earth are forever, we must have a different universe for this to occur, and we will! A new heavens and a new earth.

[quote:86e6d]Furthermore, why would nuclear decay cease.
It will cease when the universe is merged again. It started when it was temporarily split, leaving us in the physical only![/quote:86e6d][/quote:86e6d]
I thought you would say something like that, the physical ramifications for which boggle the mind.

First of all, nuclear decay occurs because there are just too many neutrons in an atom, or too few, and thus there is a likelihood for any given nucleus to undergo decay, that is, in the natural course of the atom's life, it will emit a partical or absorb one and thus become more stable. Decay is only a name given to the process because it is often one element becoming another with a smaller atomic number, not because there is anything fundamentally immoral about the process. The idea that decay could stop is ludicrous and would mean a strengthening of the strong force, which is just...silly.

The fact is we can see the results of long periods of nuclear decay, billions of years worth, not simply in the amount of material present but in the samples themselves from a qualitative perspective.
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
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I thought you would say something like that, the physical ramifications for which boggle the mind.
.. And mean that the bible was true all along.

[quote:4459a]First of all, nuclear decay occurs because there are just too many neutrons in an atom, or too few, and thus there is a likelihood for any given nucleus to undergo decay, that is, in the natural course of the atom's life, it will emit a partical or absorb one and thus become more stable.
Yes, in a physical only world seperated from the spiritual element, this is how it works.
Decay is only a name given to the process because it is often one element becoming another with a smaller atomic number, not because there is anything fundamentally immoral about the process.

I never said it was wicked. I said it was PO. There was atomic levels changes involved, and it never used to work that way. No decay.

The idea that decay could stop is ludicrous and would mean a strengthening of the strong force, which is just...silly.
No, get your mind out of the limitations of a physical only. We are not talking about tweaking physical only arrangements, but the addition of the spiritual to the physical, which results in something far different than PO.

The fact is we can see the results of long periods of nuclear decay, billions of years worth,

Fact is, that you absolutely can not see this in any way shape of form, except in your imagination. You see, the daughter elements were here in the pre split world, inviolved in some other process than decay! You cannot assume they have come about by decay. Only such portions that decayed in the last 4 millenia or so! Get it?
not simply in the amount of material present but in the samples themselves from a qualitative perspective
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No, the decay didn't exist, so the qualitive perspective needs to be put on the table, and rethought.
 
So what you're saying is that the merging of the physical and the spiritual will cause all nuclear decay to cease.

Why?

Why should nuclear reactions cease to occur because the spiritual world is intermingled with the physical?
Furthermore, why would God create such an arrangement such that the universe appeared far older than it was?
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
So what you're saying is that the merging of the physical and the spiritual will cause all nuclear decay to cease.

Why?

Why should nuclear reactions cease to occur because the spiritual world is intermingled with the physical?
Furthermore, why would God create such an arrangement such that the universe appeared far older than it was?
The universe doesn't look that old to me! :D
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
So what you're saying is that the merging of the physical and the spiritual will cause all nuclear decay to cease.

Why?
You'd have to know a bit about the spiritual to understand that. But that is the known effect. For example, in heaven we will live forever. Big nuclear changes involved there, and the importanyt addition of the spiritual.

[quote:d9625]Why should nuclear reactions cease to occur because the spiritual world is intermingled with the physical?

I never said all reactions ceased, just that the result of the reactions was not death and decay.

Furthermore, why would God create such an arrangement such that the universe appeared far older than it was?
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If you stop assuming decay in the past, and see the future and past as merged with the spiritual, nothing looks at all old. You simply need to take off the old colored glasses.
 
know?

dad said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
So what you're saying is that the merging of the physical and the spiritual will cause all nuclear decay to cease.

Why?
You'd have to know a bit about the spiritual to understand that.
How is it you claim to know about the spiritual and no one else does?

But that is the known effect. For example, in heaven we will live forever. Big nuclear changes involved there, and the importanyt addition of the spiritual.
You know this how? Do you have a PHD in spiritual?

[quote:097d0]Why should nuclear reactions cease to occur because the spiritual world is intermingled with the physical?

I never said all reactions ceased, just that the result of the reactions was not death and decay.
Surly you will provide evidence to your claim?

[quote:097d0]Furthermore, why would God create such an arrangement such that the universe appeared far older than it was?
If you stop assuming decay in the past, and see the future and past as merged with the spiritual, nothing looks at all old. You simply need to take off the old colored glasses.
No, I think you need to take of the glasses and see what is really in front of you. In order for your world to exist you have to throw out all that is known and seen and say it is all false and take everything you have no evidence for and claim it is fact. Hardly a sound way to conduct business.
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Re: know?

reznwerks said:
How is it you claim to know about the spiritual and no one else does?
Ever heard of ghosts? Angels? Most of the world has. The bible is quite a spiritual book.

You know this how? Do you have a PHD in spiritual?
Compared to most evos, yes.


Surly you will provide evidence to your claim?
If it did not change no eternal life would be possible. Why raise our physical bodies for a merge if it was not possible? Why created a new heavens where we and spirits can live? Elementary, Watson.


No, I think you need to take of the glasses and see what is really in front of you. In order for your world to exist you have to throw out all that is known and seen and say it is all false and take everything you have no evidence for and claim it is fact. Hardly a sound way to conduct business.
I throw out nothing, I know we exist in this temporary PO universe. It is you who throw out the future, and merged past, and the bible, and the spiritual, including God.
 
Solo said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
So what you're saying is that the merging of the physical and the spiritual will cause all nuclear decay to cease.

Why?

Why should nuclear reactions cease to occur because the spiritual world is intermingled with the physical?
Furthermore, why would God create such an arrangement such that the universe appeared far older than it was?
The universe doesn't look that old to me! :D

Which is why you have a PhD in Astronomy, right?
 
armed2010 said:
Solo said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
So what you're saying is that the merging of the physical and the spiritual will cause all nuclear decay to cease.

Why?

Why should nuclear reactions cease to occur because the spiritual world is intermingled with the physical?
Furthermore, why would God create such an arrangement such that the universe appeared far older than it was?
The universe doesn't look that old to me! :D

Which is why you have a PhD in Astronomy, right?
Which is why I have spiritual eyes given to me by the creator, so that I can see the difference between truth and lies. It has been so much better since receiving these eyes twenty-two years ago.

Are yours on order?
 
Solo said:
armed2010 said:
Solo said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
So what you're saying is that the merging of the physical and the spiritual will cause all nuclear decay to cease.

Why?

Why should nuclear reactions cease to occur because the spiritual world is intermingled with the physical?
Furthermore, why would God create such an arrangement such that the universe appeared far older than it was?
The universe doesn't look that old to me! :D

Which is why you have a PhD in Astronomy, right?
Which is why I have spiritual eyes given to me by the creator, so that I can see the difference between truth and lies. It has been so much better since receiving these eyes twenty-two years ago.

Are yours on order?
You better order yourself a new pair, because yours aren't working. Evolution is truth, and both our phsyical and spiritual eyes testify to this.
 
Solo said:
dad said:
Oran_Taran said:
Is there any other person in this site that believes the thing he's saying?
Preferably with more than 13 posts!
Hey dad. Keep up the good work.

"Good work"? I don't buy evolution, and I'm still embarrassed by his performance here.
 
ArtGuy said:
Solo said:
dad said:
Oran_Taran said:
Is there any other person in this site that believes the thing he's saying?
Preferably with more than 13 posts!
Hey dad. Keep up the good work.

"Good work"? I don't buy evolution, and I'm still embarrassed by his performance here.
Yeah, I used to be a YEC too, and I would have been embarrassed too. Dad's non-scientific spiritual mumbo-jumbo does absolutely nothing to enlighten, either spiritually or scientifically, and just gives fuel to the atheists who accuse Christians of being gullible and non-critically thinking. Dad's one and only answer to each and every scientific objection is "Well there used to be a spiritual world" and that not only ignores the clear Biblical teaching that our current world has both spiritual and physical components, it is also a non-answer that doesn't explain anything, just excuses things away.
 
cubedbee said:
... Dad's one and only answer to each and every scientific objection is "Well there used to be a spiritual world" and that not only ignores the clear Biblical teaching that our current world has both spiritual and physical components, it is also a non-answer that doesn't explain anything, just excuses things away.
Our world does have a spiritual component, but it is quite seperate from the physical one. In heaven we see they are together, and in the past as well, this indeed also seems to be the case.
I haven't seen any sons of god, or angels marrying earth women lately, have you?
 
[quote="ÃÂoppleganger]
Aren't Kenites, the son's of Cain, half-human and half-fallen angelic?[/quote]
Never heard of them, but if they were sons of Adam's son, no, they weren't angels.

Tell me how come Christ didn't have a Known human Father?
He did, many of us know Him.

Tell me why are ancient myths of god's always connected to the mating of mortals.
Sex in the spirit world too, I suppose.

Tell me why in the last 50 years, has the appearance of crop circles, alien abductions, and x-file like reports been so dramatic? Been to Phoenix or Mexico City lately?
You tell me, I don't much care.

Tell me how could ancient american's so vividly depict aircraft they'd never seen, in art, unless they actually saw them?
Never saw that, but what is the point?

Tell me why have archelogists dug remains of elongated and oval skulls up, and either don't include them in there theories or deny them as evidence?
Prove it.

[quote:d0fc0]Tell me why ancient kings and queens were sometiimes portrayed in art this way?
[/quote:d0fc0]
Maybe they were drawn by toddlers?

Tell me what happened to Eisenhower on the night and early hours of February 20-21, 1954?
Brushed his teeth?

Tell me why did IKE in his last address, not seeking a 3rd term, warn of the build of the Industrial Military complex?
Felt guilty about all the killing he was involved in?
 
Tell me why have archelogists dug remains of elongated and oval skulls up, and either don't include them in there theories or deny them as evidence?
I haven't been following the thread so I really don't know what you're talking about, but did you mean the nazca skulls?
nazca-paracas-13.jpg

Easy, since they were little they put tight bands around their heads, forcing them to grow upward. They weren't mutants or anything, they just had weird customs... like in china and foot binding, in asia somewhere with the neck rings, in south america with the lip disks, etc.
Tell me why are ancient myths of god's always connected to the mating of mortals.
basic human nature. You believe in god(s), so it's obvious to think about what would happen if god(s) had sex with regular humans. Nothing out of the ordinary of that.
Tell me why in the last 50 years, has the appearance of crop circles, alien abductions, and x-file like reports been so dramatic? Been to Phoenix or Mexico City lately?
media coverage. Nowdays people hear about those things even before they can talk.
Crop circles are hoaxes, alien abductions could be how people interpret dream paralysis, etc.
 
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