CONVICTION...

[Eventide]

Eventide, one cannot hold the Truth in unrighteousness and not hold a false image of god since they are the same thing.

No, holding the truth in unrighteousness is holding the truth in unrighteousness.. that's why it says that, and not what you say..

Moreover this happened long ago and I get the impression you think you would not have been like those men.

This happened long ago..? Where do you come up with these things..

The word of God is living and powerful.. it's just as true today as when it was first scripted. And nobody is exempt.. MYSELF INCLUDED.

So if they were not fools in their vanity as you seem to claim but knew exactly what they were doing in being unthankful to God and imagining God as what He is not, why does Romans two say this?
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

I'm not judging anyone.. I'm simply telling you what the scriptures say.. they say that men hold the truth in unrighteousness and that men are without excuse.. you believe otherwise.. so be it. I can't make you believe the simple truth of scripture.

You seem to want to condemn yourself in hypocrisy as if you would have done better. I admit they were, we are, fools for taking God for granted in vanity, but I will not say I knowingly want to be a fool and remain blind to vanity because that is a lie. I do not want to esteem God falsely. Do you even know what such vanity is?

Like I said.. nobody is exempt.. myself included.. it's possible for any man to hold the truth in unrighteousness and not glorify God as God.. do YOU think that you're exempt from this ?

 

[childeye]

=Eventide;585813]No, holding the truth in unrighteousness is holding the truth in unrighteousness.. that's why it says that, and not what you say..

The Truth is the Word of God and the Word of God is the Image of God. Unrighteousness and ungodliness is what is ungodly and not right. So to hold the Truth in things that are ungodly and unrighteous is to make the truth of God into a lie, a false and corruptible image of god. That is what Romans one said men did. I am only repeating it.
Romans 1:18

King James Version (KJV)


18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;


Romans 1:25

King James Version (KJV)


25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

This happened long ago..? Where do you come up with these things..

Paul is describing why there exists in mankind vile affections and why men are given over to the lusts of the flesh, so as this is past tense it is in the past and we are dealing with it even now.

The word of God is living and powerful.. it's just as true today as when it was first scripted. And nobody is exempt.. MYSELF INCLUDED.

I in no way denied this by what I said.

I'm not judging anyone.. I'm simply telling you what the scriptures say.. they say that men hold the truth in unrighteousness and that men are without excuse.. you believe otherwise.. so be it. I can't make you believe the simple truth of scripture.

But I have not denied men have no excuse for denying the Truth of the Godhead even as there could be no conviction if this was not so. I am merely saying men took God for granted in vanity as the scripture clearly points out. As men were unthankful and thought themselves wise they did not esteem God as the eternal power behind everything but took that as their own worshipping the creation over the Creator. Now how can anyone excuse that?

Like I said.. nobody is exempt.. myself included.. it's possible for any man to hold the truth in unrighteousness and not glorify God as God.. do YOU think that you're exempt from this ?

I have already said I am no better. My issue with you is to say I do not think we have a freewill to be whatever we desire to be and chart our own destiny making an end run around God, for if I profess myself wise I become a fool, so it is men fall because of vanity. If instead of giving that which is wisdom to God's providence, I instead think I choose wisely by my freewill, then I worship the creation over the Creator. But if I acknowledge without God's providence I am a fool and only capable of choosing foolishly then I see my need to worship God as such. So I ask you, do you have the freewill to deny we should be thankful to God? I know at one time I was unthankful though I did not choose to be, and likewise now after being enlightened I cannot choose not to be thankful. For through the Holy Spirit I utter praises and thanks as I'm sure you do too. We are what God makes us is my claim, He is the potter and we the clay.

 

[Eventide]

But I have not denied men have no excuse .

Glad to hear it.. and that settles it.. men have no excuse before God.

 

[childeye]

Glad to hear it.. and that settles it.. men have no excuse before God.

I need to pinch myself here, you are actually agreeing that there is no excuse for vanity?

 

[Eventide]

I need to pinch myself here, you are actually agreeing that there is no excuse for vanity?

No, evidently YOU do though.. you believe that men do have an excuse before God.. when the scriptures say the exact opposite.

Not very uncommon here in CF..

 

[childeye]

=Eventide;586033]No, evidently YOU do though.. you believe that men do have an excuse before God.. when the scriptures say the exact opposite.

Not very uncommon here in CF..

Where are you coming up with this? I said:

Originally Posted by childeye
But I have not denied men have no excuse .

Then you said:
Glad to hear it.. and that settles it.. men have no excuse before God.

Apparantly you've changed your mind and it's still not settled.

 

[glorydaz]

The revelation of God you are refering to in Romans one is a mirepresentation of Romans one. Romans one is about the Godhead and Truth emphasizing that there is a Truth and a Godhead that men have imagined falsely. Christ is the revelation of God that changes a man so as to cause man to worship God in Truth.

It isn't that men have falsely imagined an image of God. It's that they are walking without a personal relationship to God, and are, therefore, easily drawn away to the lusts of the flesh and the world around them. Their conscience will only sustain them to a point. The more man sins, the dimmer the truth of God becomes. It gets easier and easier to ignore one's conscience and be drawn into the cares of the world around them.

 

[Eventide]

Where are you coming up with this? I said:


Then you said:
Glad to hear it.. and that settles it.. men have no excuse before God.

Apparantly you've changed your mind and it's still not settled.

I think that I misunderstood your last post.. to clarify..

Men DO NOT have ANY excuse before God..

He is that true light which lighteth every man that comes into the world.. not just some.. and the Spirit of God convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment..

 

[childeye]

I think that I misunderstood your last post.. to clarify..

Men DO NOT have ANY excuse before God..

He is that true light which lighteth every man that comes into the world.. not just some.. and the Spirit of God convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment..

Okay, so since God is that true light that is the light of man, and thinking we make our own light is vanity then Men Do Not have any excuse before God that justifies such vanity. Do you agree?

 

[childeye]

It isn't that men have falsely imagined an image of God. It's that they are walking without a personal relationship to God, and are, therefore, easily drawn away to the lusts of the flesh and the world around them. Their conscience will only sustain them to a point. The more man sins, the dimmer the truth of God becomes. It gets easier and easier to ignore one's conscience and be drawn into the cares of the world around them.

There is no difference between having a false image of god and not having a personal relationship with God. Besides we are talking here about Romans One where it says men created false images of God turning the Truth of God into a lie.

 

[Eventide]

Okay, so since God is that true light that is the light of man, and thinking we make our own light is vanity then Men Do Not have any excuse before God that justifies such vanity. Do you agree?

I don't know what you're talking about as usual, because nobody that I know thinks that they make their own light.. They experience that true light which shows us what we are (sinners) and shows us who Christ is, and His righteousness.

 

[childeye]

=Eventide;586168]I don't know what you're talking about as usual, because nobody that I know thinks that they make their own light..

How about an atheist? Know any of those?

Let me ask you this. Can you honestly think of an excuse for vanity?

 

[glorydaz]

Okay, so since God is that true light that is the light of man, and thinking we make our own light is vanity then Men Do Not have any excuse before God that justifies such vanity. Do you agree?

Anybody who thinks they make their own light is stupid...not vain.

There are humanists who don't believe in God and they think man will just keep getting better and better and become like gods. Self-deception is no excuse for disobeying God.

 

[glorydaz]

There is no difference between having a false image of god and not having a personal relationship with God. Besides we are talking here about Romans One where it says men created false images of God turning the Truth of God into a lie.

Uh, those images were made of bronze and sitting on an altar.

 

[glorydaz]

I don't know what you're talking about as usual, because nobody that I know thinks that they make their own light.. They experience that true light which shows us what we are (sinners) and shows us who Christ is, and His righteousness.

Edison did and he was right. ;)

 

[glorydaz]

How about an atheist? Know any of those?

Let me ask you this. Can you honestly think of an excuse for vanity?

Maybe you should spend more time in the Word of God. I say this with the kindest of intentions.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

[childeye]

=glorydaz;586226]Anybody who thinks they make their own light is stupid...not vain.

But all stupidity that has a false image of god is vanity.

There are humanists who don't believe in God and they think man will just keep getting better and better and become like gods. Self-deception is no excuse for disobeying God.

There is no excuse or justification for vanity is my point. Self-deception is common amongst men who are vain in their imaginations.

 

[childeye]

Maybe you should spend more time in the Word of God. I say this with the kindest of intentions.

I follow the Spirit which the letter testifies to. I don't see why you would suggest I spend more time in the scriptures from what I've said concerning vanity and there being no excuse for it. Are we not all convicted of taking God for granted?

 

[childeye]

Uh, those images were made of bronze and sitting on an altar.

Never the less they were made in man's imaginations before they were ever crafted and men ignorantly worshipped them.

 

[jasoncran]

in context glorydays is right but it can apply to modern man and his forms of worship. we all agree that anything or person that takes place of god is an idol.

even this site can be an idol.