CONVICTION...

[childeye]

Childeye, The Holy Spirit uses the Bible (the word) to speak and teach us the truths of God's will...If we "ignore" this "Spiritual manual" we then, starve ourselves of Spiritual "enlightenment..." The word says, "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." Have you read the "entire" Bible??? If so, you must "continue" to read it the rest of your life...That pertains to believers and those who are "seeking" to believe...

Yes Grubal it is true the Holy Sprit uses scripture. Don't see what I've said that would lead you to think that I believe otherwise. Perhaps you misunderstand my point. As Jesus said God reveals things to mere children what He hides from the wise and prudent, it is clear to me that He can reveal great things to those who can't even read. It is better to humble ones self and trust the Holy Spirit to make sure you know what God needs you to know, when you need to know it.

So, I believe Jesus when he says, all the laws and prophets can be summed up in two commandments Love your neighbor as yourself and Love God with all you heart mind and soul. It is true.

 

[childeye]

I'm sure it's all as you say... semantics..

No not semantics. You redacted.

 

[Eventide]

No not semantics. You redacted.

lol.. semantics..

 

[childeye]

=Eventide;590565]The word of God is spiritual..

Yes we know this.

His words are spirit and they are life..

Yes they are.

and of course Peter teaches us that this is how men are born again, by the incorruptible word of God which lives and abides for ever.

Well he wasn't talking about scripture.

Peter also tells us that we have a more sure word of prophecy with respect to the scriptures.. that it's more sure than if a person tells us that they hear God's voice audibly. Because let's face it, anyone could claim to hear God's voice audibly, and Peter tells us that the scriptures are more sure than that.

All I know is those who studied scripture and knew scripture still crucified the Word come in the flesh.

Can't say I can agree with you about scripture being more sure than God's voice since I wasn't there when they were written. Perhaps God spoke audibly what to write down so your point would be moot. Besides I don't believe because a book says to. I believe in Christ because his words are true.

 

[childeye]

lol.. semantics..

It's okay Eventide, my little tiny cross isn't even a splinter compared to Christ's cross.

 

[Eventide]

Can't say I can agree with you about scripture being more sure than God's voice since I wasn't there when they were written.

Agreeing with me ?

You're disagreeing with Peter the Apostle to the circumcision, which is of course God's word.. so you basically can't agree with God, not me.

Besides I don't believe because a book says to.

That says it all imo..

I believe in Christ because his words are true.

How would you know.. ? Are you claiming that you have heard His voice audibly ? I would imagine so seeing that you just told me that you don't believe Him because of a book..

 

[Eventide]

The incorruptible word of God..

And of course Peter is speaking of the scriptures when he teaches us that this is how men are born again as the parable of the Sower and the seed teaches us the exact same thing.. that He sows His word (not Himself, His word) and that word is what produces an increase.. it's the good seed and it's incorruptible.. story after story, theme after theme.. all to His eternal glory and praise.

 

[childeye]

=Eventide;590574]Agreeing with me ?

You're disagreeing with Peter the Apostle to the circumcision, which is of course God's word.. so you basically can't agree with God, not me.

No, all I said is we don't know whether those prophets who Peter is talking about that wrote scripture heard God audibly when they wrote it making your point moot. In other words, Peter never said that men didn't hear God's voice audibly when they wrote the scriptures.

How would you know.. ? Are you claiming that you have heard His voice audibly ?

No I have not heard His voice audibly. How would I know? I know Love.

I would imagine so seeing that you just told me that you don't believe Him because of a book..

But even the book says the ones who know Love know God.

 

[childeye]

Re: The incorruptible word of God..

And of course Peter is speaking of the scriptures when he teaches us that this is how men are born again as the parable of the Sower and the seed teaches us the exact same thing.. that He sows His word (not Himself, His word) and that word is what produces an increase.. it's the good seed and it's incorruptible.. story after story, theme after theme.. all to His eternal glory and praise.

Uh Eventide. I don't know how to say this, so I'll just say it. When Jesus was sowing His Word, the parables had not yet been written down. The preaching of the word was done by the mouth for the most part. Many men were illiterate anyway. Moreover Jesus is the Word made flesh, so this Word is a person and that is why his flesh is food and removes the veil.

 

[Eventide]

No, all I said is we don't know whether those prophets who Peter is talking about that wrote scripture heard God audibly when they wrote it making your point moot. In other words, Peter never said that men didn't hear God's voice audibly when they wrote the scriptures.

Peter is speaking of his own experience with James and John on the Mountain, when they heard the Father speak audibly to them concerning His only begotten Son.. what Peter is telling us is that even though they heard THAT from God, that the scriptures are more sure than THAT.. this is what I believe Peter wants his brethren to understand.

The Jews were entrusted with the very oracles of God, written through the inspiration of the Spirit of God by the prophets, and even Peter the fisherman could understand that. Because now he's writing as an eye witness and appointed Appointed Apostle to the circumcision, the Jews.

No I have not heard His voice audibly. How would I know? I know Love.

I know love as well, experienced it first hand in countless ways.. but that didn't didn't result in me being born again by the good seed of the word of God.. the Spirit of God and the word of God did that. The gospel itself is the power of God unto salvation to all who believe.

But even the book says the ones who know Love know God.

I would imagine that there are countless people who have experienced love and yet don't know God, although I'm confident that His Spirit works in the hearts and minds of men and that He isn't far from any one of us.. and imo there's more to it than knowing love, because true love is obviously displayed perfectly for us in God's Son, and a person needs to believe that they're a sinner and that He Himself bore them on that tree for them.. for the forgiveness of our sin. It's obvioulsy beyond what we could ever imagine.. and imo that's what makes a person trust in the Lord Jesus Christ..

Conviction

 

[Eventide]

Standing on the promises of God

Uh Eventide. I don't know how to say this, so I'll just say it. When Jesus was sowing His Word, the parables had not yet been written down. The preaching of the word was done by the mouth for the most part. Many men were illiterate anyway. Moreover Jesus is the Word made flesh, so this Word is a person and that is why his flesh is food and removes the veil.

The entire OT was written down and entrusted with the very nation which rejected Him as their King.. amazing to say the least.. and that's what is so important to realize and rest upon.. the story had already been told in countless ways throughout the pages of the OT which the prophets scripted for us.. and this is what Peter is clearly speaking of..

The NT is a perfect affirmation to the OT, and together they're undeniable evidence for the Christian to stand upon.

 

[childeye]

=Eventide;590582]Peter is speaking of his own experience with James and John on the Mountain, when they heard the Father speak audibly to them concerning His only begotten Son.. what Peter is telling us is that even though they heard THAT from God, that the scriptures are more sure than THAT.. this is what I believe Peter wants his brethren to understand.

Yes but if you read the record I have not said the scriptures are unsure.

The Jews were entrusted with the very oracles of God, written through the inspiration of the Spirit of God by the prophets, and even Peter the fisherman could understand that. Because now he's writing as an eye witness and appointed Appointed Apostle to the circumcision, the Jews.

Yes and that is what I am saying also. That things aren't true because scripture says so, scriptures say so because it is true. In other words the letter is a shadow of the Spirit. God is greater than the book that testifies to Him.

I know love as well, experienced it first hand in countless ways.. but that didn't didn't result in me being born again by the good seed of the word of God.. the Spirit of God and the word of God did that.

Contradiction; The Spirit of God is Love so you can't say God did it but God didn't do it.

The gospel itself is the power of God unto salvation to all who believe.

Yes we know this.

I would imagine that there are countless people who have experienced love and yet don't know God,

I would say they don't know it is God that they experience.

although I'm confident that His Spirit works in the hearts and minds of men and that He isn't far from any one of us.. and imo there's more to it than knowing love, because true love is obviously displayed perfectly for us in God's Son, and a person needs to believe that they're a sinner and that He Himself bore them on that tree for them.. for the forgiveness of our sin. It's obvioulsy beyond what we could ever imagine.. and imo that's what makes a person trust in the Lord Jesus Christ..

Here I can agree with most everything you said. That's why I said I don't believe because a book tells me to.

 

[Eventide]

That's why I said I don't believe because a book tells me to.

I think that we believe because of conviction, which comes by the Spirit of God and by the power of the gospel.

Although imo you'll need more to convict or convince a person than telling them that God is love.. and regardless, there's an endless amount of evidence to base our faith in Him upon, and it's all written down in His word, the holy scriptures.

 

[glorydaz]

No, all I said is we don't know whether those prophets who Peter is talking about that wrote scripture heard God audibly when they wrote it making your point moot. In other words, Peter never said that men didn't hear God's voice audibly when they wrote the scriptures.



No I have not heard His voice audibly. How would I know? I know Love.


But even the book says the ones who know Love know God.

Childeye, I say this in all LOVE. The Lord has told me to tell you to READ THE BIBLE. He hasn't said this to me audibly, but He says so quite clearly in His BOOK. The BOOK can be closely related to the Book of Life. You really don't want to miss out on the opportunity of a lifetime, do you?

We're to meditate in the Word, that is the written down or memorized word....not inner voices of love.
Psalm 119:148 - "Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word."

We're not to stive about words with no profit, our own vain imaginings about love and God and stuff like that. 2 Timothy 2:14 - "Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers."

We're to study the written Word of God....you can't just sit around and study your own understanding of love. v. 15 - "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

This is why we're to read the written Word...so that we can rightly divide the WORD of truth that's written therein...see if our understanding matches up with the whole Word of God. All the witten down words have to agree with any you might hear in your mind.

From what I have seen, many of your ideas do NOT match up with the Sacred Scriptures.

 

[childeye]

I think that we believe because of conviction, which comes by the Spirit of God and by the power of the gospel.

Although imo you'll need more to convict or convince a person than telling them that God is love.. and regardless, there's an endless amount of evidence to base our faith in Him upon, and it's all written down in His word, the holy scriptures.

I don't need endless amounts of evidence. I didn't even like seeing him go to the cross to prove it, but that was the only way to defeat Satan since Satan had the power of death and no mercy.

 

[Eventide]

I don't need endless amounts of evidence. I didn't even like seeing him go to the cross to prove it, but that was the only way to defeat Satan since Satan had the power of death and no mercy.

I would agree that we don't NEED endless amounts of evidence, although that is what God has given us and I'm sure there's a good reason for that.

You can preach that God is love or you can preach the gospel which is that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures...

IMO it's a no brainer..

 

[Eventide]

a more sure word of prophecy

It's staggering to say the least that we have a more sure word of prophecy in the scriptures than hearing God's voice audibly as Peter did.. and the holy scriptures are the Christian's food, our daily bread.. the word is infinite in its power to speak to the hearts and minds of His people, and it will never be exhausted in our lifetimes.. it is God's testimony concerning His Son.

 

[Eventide]

It is written...

Another thing which comes to mind is the Lord's temptation in the wilderness.. in each response the LORD said... it is written.. how much more should a Christian rely upon what is written to ward off the fiery darts of the devil..?

I'm sure that Satan can appear loving... even as an Angel of light.. and we can rest assured upon what is written.. it is an essential piece of the armour of God.

 

[childeye]

=glorydaz;590589]Childeye, I say this in all LOVE. The Lord has told me to tell you to READ THE BIBLE. He hasn't said this to me audibly, but He says so quite clearly in His BOOK. The BOOK can be closely related to the Book of Life. You really don't want to miss out on the opportunity of a lifetime, do you?

We're to meditate in the Word, that is the written down or memorized word....not inner voices of love.
Psalm 119:148 - "Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word."

We're not to stive about words with no profit, our own vain imaginings about love and God and stuff like that. 2 Timothy 2:14 - "Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers."

We're to study the written Word of God....you can't just sit around and study your own understanding of love. v. 15 - "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

This is why we're to read the written Word...so that we can rightly divide the WORD of truth that's written therein...see if our understanding matches up with the whole Word of God. All the witten down words have to agree with any you might hear in your mind.

From what I have seen, many of your ideas do NOT match up with the Sacred Scriptures.

Please Glorydaz, you don't even understand what you call my "ideas". You don't even respond to all the valid scripture I present to you to make all of my points.
You claim many of "my ideas" do not match up with scripture? How about some examples if you Love me so much?

I really don't care how much someone reads the bible. I am not impressed. Show me a person sacrificing themselves for others and that person is a doer of the word. No one need read the scriptures to have compassion and be charitable, to show understanding and have forgiveness. I don't want to read about it, I simply want to live it.

 

[childeye]

I would agree that we don't NEED endless amounts of evidence, although that is what God has given us and I'm sure there's a good reason for that.

You can preach that God is love or you can preach the gospel which is that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures...

IMO it's a no brainer..

I have always said that the Christ died for our sins, eventide. Even fools can preach the Gospel. It is all about loving others and getting rid of the carnal pride that measures one man against another.