CONVICTION...

[Eventide]

How about an atheist? Know any of those?

Yes, do they have an excuse before God ? According to scripture, no.

 

[glorydaz]

I follow the Spirit which the letter testifies to. I don't see why you would suggest I spend more time in the scriptures from what I've said concerning vanity and there being no excuse for it. Are we not all convicted of taking God for granted?

No, I don't believe we are all guilty of taking God for granted. We're all guilty of disobeying God.

I say you should read the Word more because you're still drinking milk.
You can only grow in the Lord if you eat daily from the Word...just talking about the Word won't do it.

 

[glorydaz]

in context glorydays is right but it can apply to modern man and his forms of worship. we all agree that anything or person that takes place of god is an idol.

even this site can be an idol.

True, Jason. Anything that comes before God is an idol of sorts. Money is one of the worst.

But, they aren't imaginations of who God is. They're simply the world with it's appeal to the flesh.

The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. We sure don't imagine those are God.

 

[childeye]

No, I don't believe we are all guilty of taking God for granted. We're all guilty of disobeying God.

I say you should read the Word more because you're still drinking milk.
You can only grow in the Lord if you eat daily from the Word...just talking about the Word won't do it.

I ate and drank once from the Word and now he lives in me through faith. Now if we had not taken God for granted, we would have been thankful. But instead, by default we must become vain if unthankful. And such vanity is darkness making one a fool who cannot recognize the source of wisdom. And so a fool imagines God, foolishly. And that is why God gave men over to the flesh to become abominations and why we have no excuse for judging one another.

Yes if only Adam and Eve would have not taken God's given life for granted, foolishly believing they would yet live even if they disobeyed God, and had they been thankful instead of trying to better their station under God there would be no sin in mankind nor disobedience. Yes thank God for His Word, Jesus, who teaches these things and reveals our wickedness and the cause of it.

 

[childeye]

Yes, do they have an excuse before God ? According to scripture, no.

Well then you and I agree as I've been saying all along over and over.

 

[Eventide]

So WHY does the Holy Spirit convict (or convince) the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment ?

Is it so that men can be convinced of these things and then trust in the righteousness of Christ for the forgiveness of their sins etc.. ?

What think ye ?

 

[childeye]

So WHY does the Holy Spirit convict (or convince) the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment ?

Is it so that men can be convinced of these things and then trust in the righteousness of Christ for the forgiveness of their sins etc.. ?

What think ye ?

I think it's not just receiving forgiveness after being convicted of sin, but understanding why sin happened in the first place so that it won't happen again.

To elaborate further let me give you a few examples examples. Two children were asked why it was wrong to disobey their Father and run out in the street without looking both ways. One answered because we have a freewill to disobey you and you make the rules and will punish us for disobeying you. The other said, because you love us and don't want us to get hurt.

There were two men who were asked why it was wrong to steal. One answered because if we steal we go to jail. The other said, because it's not what we would want done to us.

A Father gave his two sons instructions on how to safely use a gun, and he even wrote them down saying if you choose to ignore these rules you will kill yourself or somebody else. One son heard an ultimatum given by the Father, the other heard the Father saying he gave him a choice.

 

[Eventide]

I think it's not just receiving forgiveness after being convicted of sin, but understanding why sin happened in the first place so that it won't happen again.

That's an interesting persepective as to why the Spirit of God convinces men of these things... although imo it's so that a person can 'realize' the truth.. that we are sinners.. and that He alone is righteous and good.. and that there is judgment to come upon this world.

So that men will place their trust in Him alone for the forgiveness of their sins.. and call upon the name of the LORD and be saved. That's what faith is built upon.. the evidence (or conviction) of these things.. sin, righteousness, and judgment.

 

[childeye]

That's an interesting persepective as to why the Spirit of God convinces men of these things... although imo it's so that a person can 'realize' the truth.. that we are sinners.. and that He alone is righteous and good.. and that there is judgment to come upon this world.

So that men will place their trust in Him alone for the forgiveness of their sins.. and call upon the name of the LORD and be saved. That's what faith is built upon.. the evidence (or conviction) of these things.. sin, righteousness, and judgment.

I would not argue that the Truth reveals lies in men and therefore convicts a man of sin. As Jesus said, the Truth will set you free from the slavery of sin. Hence I gave examples of how lies must be addressed so that sin does is not a recurring pattern.

Hence the child who knows his Father gave him commands because He Loves him, trusts the Father and does not regard His commands as an afront to his freedom. Nor therefore would he consider disobedience as his freedom. Meanwhile the child who thinks the Father gave commands because He seeks to rule over him and deprive him of his freedom, does not trust the Father and considers disobedience his freewill. That is why righteousness is by faith and revealed from faith to faith.

 

[Eventide]

Hence the child who knows his Father gave him commands because He Loves him, trusts the Father and does not regard His commands as an afront to his freedom.

So taking up our cross and denying our self is not an afront to a persons freedom ?

Meanwhile the child who thinks the Father gave commands because He seeks to rule over him and deprive him of his freedom, does not trust the Father and considers disobedience his freewill. That is why righteousness is by faith and revealed from faith to faith.

This reminds me of the portion of the gospel where the LORD judges those who would not have HIM rule over them.. and then what.. casts them into outer darkness..

I think that you might have your wires crossed here ?

 

[childeye]

=Eventide;590392]So taking up our cross and denying our self is not an afront to a persons freedom ?

No, it's not an afront to our freedom to take up our cross since to lose one's self for Christ's sake, one saves himself.

This reminds me of the portion of the gospel where the LORD judges those who would not have HIM rule over them.. and then what.. casts them into outer darkness..

I think that you might have your wires crossed here ?

Sigh... How would I have my wires crossed? These are the ones who would not have HIM rule over them. Read it again.

Meanwhile the child who thinks the Father gave commands because He (God)seeks to rule over him and deprive him of his freedom, does not trust the Father and considers disobedience his freewill. That is why righteousness is by faith and revealed from faith to faith.

 

[Eventide]

No, it's not an afront to our freedom to take up our cross since to lose one's self for Christ's sake, one saves himself.

I agree although imo it's not as though it doesn't encroach upon a persons freedom.. it's His way or remain condemned already..

Sigh... How would I have my wires crossed? These are the ones who would not have HIM rule over them. Read it again.

Meanwhile the child who thinks the Father gave commands because He (God)seeks to rule over him and deprive him of his freedom, does not trust the Father and considers disobedience his freewill. That is why righteousness is by faith and revealed from faith to faith.

So one who believes that God does desire to rule over them, they're not trusting Him ?

Yeah, your wires are crossed.. lol

 

[childeye]

=Eventide;590475]I agree although imo it's not as though it doesn't encroach upon a persons freedom.. it's His way or remain condemned already..

Good point, however being condemned is not freedom, because sin is slavery. As we owe and are debtors to Christ it is an obligation to bear our cross. Once again semantics are an issue, for Paul would have no problem in one scripture saying he is in chains to Christ and in another declaring the liberty that is in Christ.

So one who believes that God does desire to rule over them, they're not trusting Him ?

Yeah, your wires are crossed.. lol

No, your wires are crossed. I didn't say what you say I said. Please note below the bold letters I provided for your convenience, to forestall any such misunderstandings, which you somehow missed in your rephrasing of what I had said, wherein you based your final analysis.

Meanwhile the child who thinks the Father gave commands because He (God)seeks to rule over him and deprive him of his freedom, does not trust the Father and considers disobedience his freewill. That is why righteousness is by faith and revealed from faith to faith.

 

[Eventide]

No, your wires are crossed. I didn't say what you say I said.

It's always a good chuckle to have somebody say something and then tell you that's it's not what they said..

 

[glorydaz]

I ate and drank once from the Word and now he lives in me through faith.

Yes thank God for His Word, Jesus, who teaches these things and reveals our wickedness and the cause of it.

Once? You're supposed to read and meditate on the Scriptures daily.

We only know Jesus more as He reveals Himself THROUGH THE WRITTEN WORD ie...the Bible.

 

[childeye]

It's always a good chuckle to have somebody say something and then tell you that's it's not what they said..

Well you're not me. I don't laugh at my own changing or redacting certain parts of others statements. I say "I'm sorry" I misunderstood. Are you blind? It's in the record.

 

[childeye]

Once? You're supposed to read and meditate on the Scriptures daily.

We only know Jesus more as He reveals Himself THROUGH THE WRITTEN WORD ie...the Bible.

No the Word is Spirit and God can reveal Himself any way He wishes to.

 

[Grubal Muruch]

No the Word is Spirit and God can reveal Himself any way He wishes to.

Childeye, The Holy Spirit uses the Bible (the word) to speak and teach us the truths of God's will...If we "ignore" this "Spiritual manual" we then, starve ourselves of Spiritual "enlightenment..." The word says, "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." Have you read the "entire" Bible??? If so, you must "continue" to read it the rest of your life...That pertains to believers and those who are "seeking" to believe...

 

[Eventide]

Well you're not me. I don't laugh at my own changing or redacting certain parts of others statements. I say "I'm sorry" I misunderstood. Are you blind? It's in the record.

I'm sure it's all as you say... semantics..

 

[Eventide]

No the Word is Spirit and God can reveal Himself any way He wishes to.

The word of God is spiritual.. His words are spirit and they are life.. and of course Peter teaches us that this is how men are born again, by the incorruptible word of God which lives and abides for ever.

Peter also tells us that we have a more sure word of prophecy with respect to the scriptures.. that it's more sure than if a person tells us that they hear God's voice audibly. Because let's face it, anyone could claim to hear God's voice audibly, and Peter tells us that the scriptures are more sure than that.