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https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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It's called the Central Dogma of molecular biology. Learn about it, here:
www.yourgenome.org
I don't buy the postmodern notion that truth is whatever you want to make it be. Sorry.
Yeah this is what I mean. "Your people" are saying something so you are backing them up, even if it means completely bungling a conversation like you did on the towers.
I completely agree. Hence why I asked if you supported the definition change on what a vaccine was in order for it to fit what the narrative demanded. Don't be sorry though. I am not here to convince YOU of anything
I actually know quite a bit about all that. I have made that very clear on many occasions. I guess reading comprehension is not your claim to fame. Piggybacking on titles is all the agenda is doing. Using a title and position of one in the respected field of medicine is a no-brainer for the corrupt minds behind the Covid-19 agenda. You speak from a narrow-sighted view of self-preservation by way of indoctrination and ignore your peer's assessments. See, that in and of itself is very telling. You bark what you are told -for cookies. You have no contributions beyond the little box you are in. Anyone can read the books you read and receive talking points from a tiered down medical system overseen by men who you better follow, or get de-platformed, slandered and blocked! No matter how you turn it, I am speaking fact! You simply jump through hoops for brownie points from your masters.It's called the Central Dogma of molecular biology. Learn about it, here:
How is DNA turned into protein? The Central Dogma of Molecular Biology
The ‘Central Dogma of Molecular Biology’ is a model describing the way information stored in our DNA is converted into a functional product, such as a protein. It was first proposed in 1958 by Francis Crick, who co-discovered the structure of DNA.
This is a very simplified, but accurate description. The details get pretty complicated, but it's essentially as the link shows it.
That's already settled, too...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
As do the COVID-19 vaccines.
Then your faith is mistaken. How about the man born blind? Jesus makes it very clear that it wasn't based on his or his parents' sinning. That is, it was not at all judgement; it was to display "the works of God" (John 9:1-3). Even Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach (1 Tim 5:23). Interesting that he didn't mention it was judgement from God. Or what about Epaphroditus who almost died from his illness (Phil 2:26-27)? No mention about judgement there either. And the same goes for Trophimus who was ill (2 Tim 4:20).
Personal attacks are for those who have no actual argument or substance to their beliefs.
Hard to see why you'd be denying it, then. I get that you don't agree with the results of medical and scientific studies of the vaccine. And you're venting with insults and personal attacks. It's not working for you. Once you learn how mRNA actually works, it will become clear to you that mRNA cannot alter the genome of human cells.
And this still does not change the fact that people in the same field of science disagree with this. They are blocked not because they are wrong but because they are feared. They expose the Big Pharma Lie.That's already settled, too...
COVID-19 vaccines and decreased transmission of SARS-CoV-2 - PubMed
A massive COVID-19 vaccination campaign is underway worldwide. Epidemiological data from studies indicate excellent efficacy and safety profile for COVID-19 vaccines. However, there are few data from studies on the effect of decreasing the probability of infection of vaccinated subjects compared...
No point in denial.
As do the COVID-19 vaccines.
BMJ
2021 May 13;373:n1088
Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on covid-19 related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in England: test negative case-control study
Conclusion:
Vaccination with either one dose of BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1-S was associated with a significant reduction in symptomatic covid-19 in older adults, and with further protection against severe disease. Both vaccines showed similar effects. Protection was maintained for the duration of follow-up (>6 weeks). A second dose of BNT162b2 was associated with further protection against symptomatic disease. A clear effect of the vaccines against the B.1.1.7 variant was found.
JCI Insight
2021 May 10;6(9):e149187
Abstract
Roughly 1 year after the first case of COVID-19 was identified and less than 1 year after the sequencing of SARS-CoV-2, multiple SARS-CoV-2 vaccines with demonstrated safety and efficacy in phase III clinical trials are available. The most promising vaccines have targeted the surface glycoprotein (S-protein) of SARS-CoV-2 and achieved an approximate 85%-95% reduction in the risk of symptomatic COVID-19, while retaining excellent safety profiles and modest side effects in the phase III clinical trials. The mRNA, replication-incompetent viral vector, and protein subunit vaccine technologies have all been successfully employed. Some novel SARS-CoV-2 variants evade but do not appear to fully overcome the potent immunity induced by these vaccines. Emerging real-world effectiveness data add evidence for protection from severe COVID-19. This is an impressive first demonstration of the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccine and vector vaccine platforms.
You have been duped because you take medical advice from anti-vaxxer propaganda, instead of the medical and scientific literature.
That's already settled, too...
COVID-19 vaccines and decreased transmission of SARS-CoV-2 - PubMed
A massive COVID-19 vaccination campaign is underway worldwide. Epidemiological data from studies indicate excellent efficacy and safety profile for COVID-19 vaccines. However, there are few data from studies on the effect of decreasing the probability of infection of vaccinated subjects compared...
No point in denial.
As do the COVID-19 vaccines.
BMJ
2021 May 13;373:n1088
Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on covid-19 related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in England: test negative case-control study
Conclusion:
Vaccination with either one dose of BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1-S was associated with a significant reduction in symptomatic covid-19 in older adults, and with further protection against severe disease. Both vaccines showed similar effects. Protection was maintained for the duration of follow-up (>6 weeks). A second dose of BNT162b2 was associated with further protection against symptomatic disease. A clear effect of the vaccines against the B.1.1.7 variant was found.
JCI Insight
2021 May 10;6(9):e149187
Abstract
Roughly 1 year after the first case of COVID-19 was identified and less than 1 year after the sequencing of SARS-CoV-2, multiple SARS-CoV-2 vaccines with demonstrated safety and efficacy in phase III clinical trials are available. The most promising vaccines have targeted the surface glycoprotein (S-protein) of SARS-CoV-2 and achieved an approximate 85%-95% reduction in the risk of symptomatic COVID-19, while retaining excellent safety profiles and modest side effects in the phase III clinical trials. The mRNA, replication-incompetent viral vector, and protein subunit vaccine technologies have all been successfully employed. Some novel SARS-CoV-2 variants evade but do not appear to fully overcome the potent immunity induced by these vaccines. Emerging real-world effectiveness data add evidence for protection from severe COVID-19. This is an impressive first demonstration of the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccine and vector vaccine platforms.
You have been duped because you take medical advice from anti-vaxxer propaganda, instead of the medical and scientific literature.
Says the pot to the kettle. This is such a nonsense argument--that those with whom one disagrees are the ones who simply "relay information and do absolutely no work of their own." And what makes it worse here, is that the person you are disparaging actually is credentialed and has experience. Try adding something of a value to a thread for once instead of just insulting people.
They are blocked because they are wrong and people have died from believing vaccine and COVID misinformation, much of which is being pushed in this thread and in these forums by a vocal few (interesting how it mirrors real life).
So nothing, then? If you don't understand it, what makes you think the stories they are telling you are right?
They are, as you see, scientists and physicians. And they present data to back up what they say. I find that credible.
Show us that. I guess it's true that oil wells do eventually play out. That's why they shut them down and move on. You didn't know that? Doesn't take a scientist to figure that out. Oilmen in Texas realized that early on.
It was scientists who first raised concerns about leaded gas. You didn't know that?
When I started studying immunology in the 1970s, the definition was the same as it is now. I guess you probably wouldn't know that.
I probably won't convince you, regardless of the evidence. But you still serve a useful purpose here; other people read these exchanges and consider the issues.
So far, it works better than anything else we can do to understand the natural world.
Just a tiny minority of them.
The consensus of people who actually know what they are talking about, matters.
So far, God hasn't weighed in on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines. It's a bad idea, attempting to put words in God's mouth.
Opinions are cheap, especially, when it's from a tiny minority of people, and the data contradict their claims.
They publish their opinions, they are being touted on many websites that block data showing that the vaccines are effective. So that story won't fly, either.
There are quite a few of them now. All of them produce some immunity. Most are very good.
Yep. That's what these do. The mRNA vaccines, for example, do very well at preventing infection and do extremely well at preventing hospitalization and death. Would you like me to post the evidence for that, again? I understand these facts, because I read the medical and scientific literature that post the data for them.
That's what the data say. The rates of death and hospitalization are much higher for unvaccinated people. No way to dodge that fact.
My faith is not mistaken at all. His blindness was a judgement on the Pharisees. His blindness may not have been a judgment on his parent's particular sin or because of his particular sin that doesn't mean it wasn't because of sin. Are you saying Christ is saying this blind man had NO SIN or is He saying- it is not because of any sin of his or his parents that he was born blind?
A tiny minority is always against a majority. Whether it is Christ and His followers, abolishing slavery, stopping Eugenics, stopping abortion, the minority are the impacting factor against hate and murder. If not for the few, God would have none. If not for the minority no change in the mind of the majority. You are right, opinions are cheap. The "especially", historically, is among the majority for sure. Hence, world wars, nations overpowering weaker nations and peoples, Eugenics, abortion, race baiting and division, slavery etc.... It is always the majority who are involved in hurting others, the others are always the minority. So, your point? The minority yes, always contradicts the claims of the ruling majority. That is the nature of the humane people, Barbarian.
You are misled about that.That's already settled...
What are mRNA vaccines and how do they work?: MedlinePlus Genetics
mRNA vaccines use a piece of mRNA that corresponds to a protein on a virus. Vaccines for COVID-19 are the only mRNA vaccines authorized or approved by the FDA.medlineplus.gov
They produce immunity by inducing the cell's ribosomes to produce spike proteins. The body's B lymphocytes then produce antibodies against spike proteins. Should COVID-19 virus then enter the body, the antibodies recognize the proteins and attack the viruses. This is why the hospitalization and death rates for unvaccinated people are so much higher than for vaccinated people. Should we show that again?
Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) during October–November. Age-standardized case IRRs among unvaccinated persons compared with fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose declined from 13.9 during October–November to 4.9 during December, representing potential decreases in crude VE for infection from 93% to 80%, respectively. Comparing unvaccinated persons with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, age-standardized case IRRs during October–November and December were 4.0 and 2.8 respectively, representing decreases in VE from 75% to 64%. During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively. Protection improved among persons who received a booster dose compared with not receiving a booster, regardless of primary series vaccine product type. Booster doses provided the largest gains in protection among persons aged ≥65 years followed by persons aged 50–64 years when compared with those aged 18–49 years.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm
From the UK:
Unvaccinated people accounted for a higher proportion of patients admitted to critical care with confirmed COVID-19 than of the population aged over 18 years. The proportion of critical care patients with confirmed COVID-19 who are unvaccinated has fallen from nearly three-quarters (74%) in May 2021 to just over a quarter (27%) in February 2022. However, this is a result of more people becoming vaccinated. Unvaccinated people have consistently accounted for a higher proportion of critical care patients than in the general population. This was 3 times higher in February 2022 and peaked at almost 7 times higher in December 2021.
The vaccine is very good at preventing infection, and it's extraordinarily good at preventing serious illness or death.
