Cursed

[Lewis]

Okay people' I know what the Bible says about being cursed and also generational curses. Do you all still think that they are going on today ? Who of you here think that they stopped with the Old Testament ? Who here does not believe that they will follow your children. If many bad things are happening to you' do you think that you are cursed ? I believe that a curse is real and still going on today' I believe that you can be paying for something that your grand pop did 200 years ago. Many people think that curses are strictly Old Testament, but I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God did away with them. I have also heard people say that curses went away when Jesus went to the cross, but I don't believe that.

 

[Deborah13]

Lewis, who are you saying cursed them?

 

[Sinthesis]

You may perceive consequences for the foolishness of ancestors, but you are not paying a debt to God for someone else's sin through your own circumstances. It is unbiblical to think so, and just a veiled attempt to blame your circumstances on others.

 

[jasonc]

ok, I have spent time in a healing class on that.
1) alcoholism, codependency are learned behaviors usally
2) bad marriages are often learned from the parent
just a few. these are the generational curse. most of the time in the tanach the YHWH cursed certain men for their behaviors in that they taught and their children continued in that sin. the curses against the child of a Moabite were onlu for men. not a woman. why is that? if it was a a woman then ruth couldn't be in the bible and married boaz. the men of that culture were so evil and hard that god judged them for being that hard. take it that way it makes sense.i believe he forsaw that none would come even if offered. if they did they were then not allowed to be part of the congratation until their tenth generation. I will have to read up on that from chabad.

 

[Deborah13]

You may perceive consequences for the foolishness of ancestors, but you are not paying a debt to God for someone else's sin through your own circumstances. It is unbiblical to think so, and just a veiled attempt to blame your circumstances on others.

Not only that I have heard this taught as God cursing the family. Yike!
That sounds like this.
Adam said to God "the woman that You gave me".

Eze_18:20 The soul that doth sin--it doth die. A son doth not bear of the iniquity of the father, And a father doth not bear of the iniquity of the son, The righteousness of the righteous is on him, And the wickedness of the wicked is on him.

 

[Lewis]

So do you all believe that curses still happen or not ?

 

[jasonc]

So do you all believe that curses still happen or not ?

no. the tanach had those for reasons and a lot of that was actually like this. If I hate jesus. I will teach my family by actions and words to hate jesus. they if they choose not to change will be cursed by god for being his enemy at the judgement. that is how the torah teaches it.visiting the sins unto the third or fourth generation means that. the family stays in that sin until its broken. when its broken its changed.

 

[Lewis]

So you are saying that Deuteronomy 28 does not apply today ?

 

[Deborah13]

So you are saying that Deuteronomy 28 does not apply today ?

I agree with jasonc 's explanation.

 

[jasonc]

So you are saying that Deuteronomy 28 does not apply today ?

not in that manner. that would be if we choose to sin and we will reap that. accurse prosperty types. take a doctrine from the torah and yank it out of context. sure we will reap sins, that is a given, but really that is taking about the promises to isreal if they choose to be with god and serve him. the promises of such in the land given. where is our land for the Christians? is it the earth? or heaven. acutally it is the earth but that for another end time debate. the curses there would be to get one to repent. btw. that is what the diaspora was for if you were shown mercy by god to live after the sieges. one would be prudent to have repented. see a good redaction with 1 kings 7, 2 chronicles 7 on that. the part where isreal was to pray and face Jerusalem and god would restore them and heal the land. in context we can apply that to our lives when we live like satan and are deal with as children whom disobey. now unless one believes in osas or not is another also rabbit trail and I don't.stay in that sin and don't change.woe unto you.

 

[Gary]

So do you all believe that curses still happen or not ?

I personally don't believe they do and here's why.

Hebrews 8
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Verse 12 puts a kibosh on generational curses.
.

 

[Deborah13]

If I understood them, generational curses, to mean the way someone people understand them....

I would totally agree with you. Even when I understood wrongly, I believed they were done away with at the Cross.

 

[Lewis]

4 kinds of Curses ?
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/4-kinds-of-curses/

Are Christians Subject to, "Generational Curses?"
http://www.goodnewsarticles.com/Aug05-7.htm

 

[for_his_glory]

Exodus 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Lamentations 5:7 Our fathers have sinned, and are not; and we have borne their iniquities.

We have all borne the sins of our fathers according to these two scriptures and God gave the law for the OT people to live by, Jew and Gentile, but there was also a curse for not following all the laws, (old covenant) that left many die in their quilt.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Now we are under the new covenant of grace that frees us from the quilt of our fathers ending that of a generational curse as Jesus paid the price on the cross in order for us to be free as we are commanded to walk in love, but if we are not walking in love then cursed will we be as Gods judgement never changes.

 

[Deborah13]

not in that manner. that would be if we choose to sin and we will reap that. accurse prosperty types. take a doctrine from the torah and yank it out of context. sure we will reap sins, that is a given, but really that is taking about the promises to isreal if they choose to be with god and serve him. the promises of such in the land given. where is our land for the Christians? is it the earth? or heaven. acutally it is the earth but that for another end time debate. the curses there would be to get one to repent. btw. that is what the diaspora was for if you were shown mercy by god to live after the sieges. one would be prudent to have repented. see a good redaction with 1 kings 7, 2 chronicles 7 on that. the part where isreal was to pray and face Jerusalem and god would restore them and heal the land. in context we can apply that to our lives when we live like satan and are deal with as children whom disobey. now unless one believes in osas or not is another also rabbit trail and I don't.stay in that sin and don't change.woe unto you.

:amen

 

[brother Paul]

So you are saying that Deuteronomy 28 does not apply today ?

No! It was part of the covenant of the Law which was an IF/THEN covenant...fulfillment was based on what you do...IF you do this THeN I will do this, but IF you do that, THEN I will do that...

Our covenant is based entirely on what He did on our behalf....the only requirement upon us (and it earns nothing) is that we remain faithful (trusting in, relying on, and cleaving to Him and the finished work of His once for all sacrifice)...

Curses are real but today's popular doctrine of generational curses is not true...the sins of the fathers (of those that Hate God) visit the children unto the third and fourth generation, but this is because as children we believe our parents and they model to us how we are to behave and what is acceptable....but it is not magic, it is learned....my naturalist grandfather was and alcoholic, he worked hard and he drank every night...my naturalist father repeated the pattern (it is what he knew)...I also became a hard working alcoholic but I came to love God (because He first loved me) and now all that has stopped...none of my children are alcoholics....(though two of the four do drink on occasion when out with friends)...

Now we who have the Spirit of God in us must be careful not to speak curses upon another because of His Spirit which flows out from us....

I hope this helps

brother Paul

 

[Gary]

 

[Deborah13]

So you are saying that Deuteronomy 28 does not apply today ?

Do you believe that if you sin that God will curse you and your children and grandchildren, etc?

 

[brother Paul]

Absolutely not Deb as I think you agree!!! The word of God in Deuteronomy (24:16) and Ezekiel (18) both show God telling us "The soul that sins...IT must die!" and that the sins of the fathers are not held against the children (and that includes Adam) and the sins of the children are not held against the fathers...we all will sin at a very young age we do not require punishment for their sins (we have our own)...this false doctrine grew out of the idea that the "for in the day you do you shall surely die" is a threat of punishment (a legal issue) when what it was was a warning born from love, like when mommy said "do not run out into the busy street or else you'll get hit by a car"! Would one suppose that if you did that she then went a got a car and ran you over in her wrath towards you? No! Lewis fear not...He loves you (truly), and without Christ you will then stand at the judgment in your own sin, but if in Christ (again from love) these have all been atoned for (once for all). If you are saved (genuinely not just in word or title) then you have been freed from the curse of the Law (the only one that really matters).

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Lewis, who are you saying cursed them?

"the curse causeless shall not come" is either a book or a subtitle/quote associated with a book that describes in Scriptural Detail many of the causes on earth today (the same as 2000 years ago and before and after)
and how to break them, Yhwh willing. Yeshua is Faithful, always is, always has been, always will be.

Yeshua is Trustworthy.

i'll now read further in the thread, Yhwh willing .. .. .. .