Death or Hell

[Eventide]

Stated, plainly, openly.

The DAY of the LORD is the DAY OF WRATH and FINAL JUDGMENTS.

If you'd like to say otherwise, show it.

Here is what we should both be able to see:

Romans 2:5
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Revelation 6:17
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Has this DAY come? Uh, NO.

Insert soft music...for Eventide purposes.

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And as I've stated plainly multiple times.. Rev 4-20 describes this day to the letter.. and it's not a fairy tale as you say.. but the literal and actual things which shall be hereafter..

Of course the other side of your mouth says that it's here and now.. but anyone can see how absurd that is.

 

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And as I've stated plainly multiple times.. Rev 4-20 describes this day to the letter.. and it's not a fairy tale as you say.. but the literal and actual things which shall be hereafter..

Of course the other side of your mouth says that it's here and now.. but anyone can see how absurd that is.

Are we really talking about the same things here?

You see that DAY as only GOOD.

I don't.

Wrath and the execution of RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENTS are certainly on the ledgers for THAT DAY.

If you want to say that is 'only good' I would see the end result to be such, but there is that wrath and judgments on the table to view as well.

There will be no 'sinners' being 'caught up' to Heaven nor will any LIAR enter therein. This fact DEMANDS a 'separation' for us all. A 'putting off' of those things that will NOT enter and a PUTTING ON of the Eternal Habitation.

I'd like to think it so easy as a twinkle twinkle, but could also point to the fact that there WILL be tribulation, for each of us:

Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

This might speak to a bit of a bumpy ride in some eyes.

Hebrews 12:26
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

Hebrews 12:27
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Jude 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Isaiah 10:23
For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.

Isaiah 28:22
Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

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Are we really talking about the same things here?

You see that DAY as only GOOD.

Now you're resorting to this ridiculous statement...?

How many times have I said that it aint gonna be pretty..?

Obviously you can't backtrack fast enough to cover the other side of your mouth here..

How about the man of sin being destroyed by the brightness of His coming... while that's a good thing in and of itself.. it's not going to be pleasant on earth when he rules over it all for a short time. Massive portions of the population being killed isn't all good... but it's going to happen in that DAY, the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.

Maybe it's because you rarely actually respond to anything that I do write.. but rather come into the conversation and say things like this have been going on from the beginning..

 

[smaller]

Now you're resorting to this ridiculous statement...?

How many times have I said that it aint gonna be pretty..?

Then we see alike on that as well. What's yer beef again?

 

[Webb]

No, Smaller, Paul in Romans 13 DOES NOT put every believer "right smack into Moses law. Those items in Rom.13 are brought over FROM Moses' law and put "right smack into" the New Covenant. Do you not understand the workings of transferring something from one testament (will) into a new testament (will)? Romans 13 put NO ONE under Moses' law.

Further, I HAVE not said, nor have I intimated that ALL are not under sin. Neither have I said, nor have I intimated that ALL have not sinned. You put words in other people's mouths. The word ALL pertains to accountable persons. Idiots, insane persons and babies are not accountable persons. Further, I have never hinted that babies are bound for hell.

 

[Eventide]

Then we see alike on that as well. What's yer beef again?

Just your doublespeak smaller.. but I'm done... and I've learned a lot.

As you say.. Enjoy

 

[smaller]

No, Smaller, Paul in Romans 13 DOES NOT put every believer "right smack into Moses law.

Do we really need to do this little exercise? Seriously?

Are the laws of Moses and 'any commandment' not written there by Paul?

Start there and we can see if we see together.

Those items in Rom.13 are brought over FROM Moses' law and put "right smack into" the New Covenant.

See above. It would look rather encompassing to me.

Do you not understand the workings of transferring something from one testament (will) into a new testament (will)? Romans 13 put NO ONE under Moses' law.

I certainly can't say those are not the Laws of Moses or that 'any commandment' is not therein referred to.

Further, I HAVE not said, nor have I intimated that ALL are not under sin.

What are we pittering about then? That fact seems rather obvious to both of us, apparently.

Neither have I said, nor have I intimated that ALL have not sinned.

Great. Hard to disagree with what's written.

You put words in other people's mouths.

How is that exactly? Show me where we disagree on this latter part again when you agreed above.

The word ALL pertains to accountable persons.

Well, all in your eyes has 'exclusions then' doesn't it?

Idiots, insane persons and babies are not accountable persons. Further, I have never hinted that babies are bound for hell.

I can't say that 'all' do not have sin. I don't see that put forward. Evil, as noted prior is an internal matter of source. It's quite impossible to say that none have evil thoughts at any age. Accounting for them really doesn't matter. Evil thoughts are evil, period in any in whom such thoughts are within, and yes, this is a fact for how many?

ALL.

And exactly how many DO NOT?

None.

If your claim is that everyone under the age of 'whatever' is sinless because they are not accountable, I'd point you to the nearest parking area of lustful teenagers.

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[Free]

This thread is in need of a break. :bigfrown