[_ Old Earth _] Did God Create The Universe With A Big Bang?

[Edward]

I know, but I thought that Him referred to God not Jesus. For it says in Genesis 1:1 that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

But if you know Jesus then you know the Father, for they are one.

 

[Razeontherock]

Yep, in some of those electrical classes they had me take they told us that there is no hard and fast rules to electricity. All we can do is observe and record the findings. It usually behaves the same way...but not always.

Lol, this is why I don't weld

 

[jasonc]

I agree with you except for the fact Jesus is the Son of God not God Himself. The Son didn't speak the world into existence, for that was the work of the Father.

no.Jesus ,as part of the trinity created.

The names of God all are applicable to the Son.

The word Elohim,is plural .

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

no.Jesus ,as part of the trinity created.

The names of God all are applicable to the Son.

The word Elohim,is plural .

Good point, and Edward had one too. However, if the trinity is exactly the same then why did the pastor use all three of those names separately when he baptized me last weekend? Besides, how can Jesus be referred as the Father and Son at the same time? Don't get me wrong, they both have definitely earned the title as Lord, but although they are one in the same, I still don't understand how they are exactly the same when even Jesus Himself prayed and called Him Father.

 

[Knotical]

Good point, and Edward had one too. However, if the trinity is exactly the same then why did the pastor use all three of those names separately when he baptized me last weekend? Besides, how can Jesus be referred as the Father and Son at the same time? Don't get me wrong, they both have definitely earned the title as Lord, but although they are one in the same, I still don't understand how they are exactly the same when even Jesus Himself prayed and called Him Father.

This is the "sticky wicket" of understanding the Trinity. When someone is baptized they are done so in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three distinct persons within one Godhead. Each have they own specific role. I actually found a graphic that demonstrates the relationship between the three.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

This is the "sticky wicket" of understanding the Trinity. When someone is baptized they are done so in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three distinct persons within one Godhead. Each have they own specific role. I actually found a graphic that demonstrates the relationship between the three.

Thanks but I can't see the graphic without logging into my Gmail account first and I don't know how much of my private information can be seen when I do so. Do you think you can save the graphic to your computer first and then add it to the post so I can see it that way? I definitely know there is a holy relationship between the three, I just don't understand they could all be the same thing since I have always been taught from an early age that God is the Father and Jesus is the Son. Just like I am the daughter of my parents but I'm not exactly the same as them.

 

[jasonc]

Good point, and Edward had one too. However, if the trinity is exactly the same then why did the pastor use all three of those names separately when he baptized me last weekend? Besides, how can Jesus be referred as the Father and Son at the same time? Don't get me wrong, they both have definitely earned the title as Lord, but although they are one in the same, I still don't understand how they are exactly the same when even Jesus Himself prayed and called Him Father.

The name of ,not the names.
,aND they work In unison.

 

[Razeontherock]

Good point, and Edward had one too. However, if the trinity is exactly the same then why did the pastor use all three of those names separately when he baptized me last weekend? Besides, how can Jesus be referred as the Father and Son at the same time? Don't get me wrong, they both have definitely earned the title as Lord, but although they are one in the same, I still don't understand how they are exactly the same when even Jesus Himself prayed and called Him Father.

The three different Persons of the Trinity are not exactly the same. You were Baptized correctly, no worries.

You would do well to read through the NT before continuing with the OT, partly because things like this will make more sense once you do. It completely changes how you process the OT.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

The name of ,not the names.
,aND they work In unison.

That's also a very good point, but it's just like I just posted above. I know you have children because you mentioned it before. Your kids either call
You Dad or Daddy right because you're their father. You don't all call each other Jason do you? Now do you understand what I'm trying to say? The trinity is basically a family except it's the holy family.

 

[Knotical]

Sorry I provided the wrong link. Here ya go: http://nowwhathavewelearned.blogspot.com/2011/02/trinity-can-be-hard-to-explain.html

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Sorry I provided the wrong link. Here ya go: http://nowwhathavewelearned.blogspot.com/2011/02/trinity-can-be-hard-to-explain.html

I might have to take Ray's advice and read through the NT, because I'm even more confused than I was before I watched that video. Lol that didn't make a bit of sense to me.

 

[Knotical]

I might have to take Ray's advice and read through the NT, because I'm even more confused than I was before I watched that video. Lol that didn't make a bit of sense to me.

What about the graphic lower down in the article? I know it was in latin, but it is a rather good visual representation of the relationship. Also, look up the athanasian creed. It also has the best description I have found of the trinity within a creed.

 

[jasonc]

That's also a very good point, but it's just like I just posted above. I know you have children because you mentioned it before. Your kids either call
You Dad or Daddy right because you're their father. You don't all call each other Jason do you? Now do you understand what I'm trying to say? The trinity is basically a family except it's the holy family.

A bit more,attributes,the Son was craeated,he is eternal like the Father,as is the Holy Spirit

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

What about the graphic lower down in the article? I know it was in latin, but it is a rather good visual representation of the relationship. Also, look up the athanasian creed. It also has the best description I have found of the trinity within a creed.

I'm sorry but due to my learning disabilities it has to be simple for me to understand it, and since I actually want to learn and understand it that's why I read my Message Bible at night.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

A bit more,attributes,the Son was craeated,he is eternal like the Father,as is the Holy Spirit

At least that much I can understand and agree with.

 

[Knotical]

I'm sorry but due to my learning disabilities it has to be simple for me to understand it, and since I actually want to learn and understand it that's why I read my Message Bible at night.

Then my suggestion at this point is to start reading the new testament before continuing through the old testament. Start with the first four books (the gospels) then continue with Paul's letters. Then go back and read through the old testament. We as Christians look at the old testament through the lens of the new testament.

 

[brujaq]

I'm sorry but due to my learning disabilities it has to be simple for me to understand it, and since I actually want to learn and understand it that's why I read my Message Bible at night.

I think you're coming along just fine dear .. One day it will all click for you ..

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I think you're coming along just fine dear .. One day it will all click for you ..

Thanks. Since I have been here and praying more and actually reading the Bible that my brother bought me for Christmas, I have felt closer to the Lord and starting to understand certain things that I didn't before.

 

[JohnDB]

How it works is a theory, a car uses a negative ground ,right? Wrong, positive is actually where the electrons move
A proton ,neutron doesn't move. Proton and neutrons cam aND do take and lose their charge.

Yes electric energy can be reversed. Dcep,dcen

In a car using a battery...ground actually is negative meaning that it holds the electrons. Positive post is needed as a big "magnet" for the negatively charged electrons needed for electron flow. This is quite common for low voltage systems. Just like a low voltage 9 volt battery won't elecrocute your skin... neither will the 6 volts hanging out loosely in the metal of your car be so attracted to a true non-charged hand. But put a positively charged wire to it with lots of amp/hrs behind it and it will kill you.

That's why the positive is hidden away.

 

[jasonc]

In a car using a battery...ground actually is negative meaning that it holds the electrons. Positive post is needed as a big "magnet" for the negatively charged electrons needed for electron flow. This is quite common for low voltage systems. Just like a low voltage 9 volt battery won't elecrocute your skin... neither will the 6 volts hanging out loosely in the metal of your car be so attracted to a true non-charged hand. But put a positively charged wire to it with lots of amp/hrs behind it and it will kill you.

That's why the positive is hidden away.

You can reverse them and fry electronics. A computer can't run on ac .yet what moves?

That was answered by an electrical engineer in class
He said electrons move only to one atom.the other leaves,nothing moves as one theory says it's pretty much energy. And there's the hole theory.

You can reverse polarity on a car ,battery ,series use it.hybrids use large 72 volts batteries that can kill.a low voltage battery 12v can produce amps.200 amps or more isn't light. My point was we think we know. An electron is so light that like light ,which has a photon but is always considered energy.as you know light and electricity are related. Often produced simitaneously.I bet our son generaates power as it has magnetic storms.we get those enissions.

It's nothing but a giant chemical reaction.
Some say the universe is electrical.

I understand ac and dc but we can't think a car is a negative ground you can switch polarity.take a multimater aND it shows it.
If 10 amps goes out ,10 amps must return to the battery.I noticed they have a same thickness negative cable often ,older cars they had two or three ground wirs connected now it's one or two.starter is the same ground wite thickness as the b positive