Did the Son have a beginning?

[Bruce.Leiter]

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I suspect that those of us who make the cut for Heaven are whisked off to a sort of
Bible concentration camp for indoctrination where all our mistakes are corrected
and all the blanks filled in so that when we're released into general population there
will be no debating like what goes on now down here in the world.
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On what do you base your "suspicion" in the Bible, Beetow?

 

[notso]

Short answer: No he did not have a beginning, the verses you pointed out back that up succinctly.

The question would be, what Scripture suggests otherwise?

The word 'firstborn' implies a beginning as well as being created.

 

[Free]

The word 'firstborn' implies a beginning as well as being created.

What is your evidence for this?

 

[notso]

What is your evidence for this?

The definition of the word itself.

 

[Free]

The definition of the word itself.

Which is what? And how is it used throughout the Bible?

 

[notso]

Which is what? And how is it used throughout the Bible?

Decide for yourself...

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"firstborn" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Free]

Decide for yourself...

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"firstborn" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

www.blueletterbible.org

No, that isn't how this works. You made a truth claim; the onus is on you to prove it. I've asked some questions and you need to answer them.

 

[Mark51]

Brothers and sisters in Christ, today I want to pose a question that has pondered theologians for centuries: Did the Son of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, have a beginning? We all know from Scripture that Jesus walked among us, that He is the Word made flesh (John 1:14). But when we delve into the mystery of the God, we grapple with passages that hint at Jesus' pre-incarnate existence (Colossians 1:15-17). What do you all make of this?

Colossians 1:15, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature,"
Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"
Colossians 1:17, "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

Perhaps some of you have come across teachings that explore Jesus' eternal nature. Maybe others have questions about how this aligns with God the Father being the one and only God (Deuteronomy 6:4).

I believe this is a topic approached best with humility and a teachable spirit. Let's open the floor to respectful discussion, using scripture as our guide, and ultimately glorifying God through our pursuit of understanding His holy nature.

Here are a few more supporting scriptures: Genesis1:26; Proverbs 8:22-31; Micah 5:2; John 17:5; Revelation 3:14.

 

[Beetow]

On what do you base your "suspicion" in the Bible

The theocratic kingdom is reputed to be a place of peace.

● Isa 11:9 . .They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
shall be full of the knowledge of Yahweh, as the waters cover the sea.

In addition; God prefers to associate with peaceable folks.

● Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
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[Beetow]

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Firstborn isn't restricted to primogeniture; it's also a status pertaining to superior
positions.

For example Israel is God's firstborn among the nations. (Ex 4:22) and David is
God's firstborn among the world's heads of State. (Ps 89:20-27)
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[Corn Pop]

In the beginning if the creator said "Let us make man in our image" , then one has to question who is the creator with in the beginning because the scripture does not seem to say "let me make man in my image".

 

[Faith and Grace]

In the beginning if the creator said "Let us make man in our image" , then one has to ask who is God with in the beginning because the scripture does not seem to say "let me make man in my image".

read the next verse.

 

[Randy]

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Firstborn isn't restricted to primogeniture; it's also a status pertaining to superior
positions.

For example Israel is God's firstborn among the nations. (Ex 4:22) and David is
God's firstborn among the world's heads of State. (Ps 89:20-27)
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Ex 4:22
Gods Literal Firstborn would be a being not a people. He has one whether you believe that to be Jesus or not.
The very first spirit God formed would be His firstborn if it's Jesus then He would also be the beginning of the creation of God as in the Firstborn of all creation not just the firstborn being and Jesus was chosen before the world began not at the incarnation and in Him, the fullness was pleased to dwell. Col 1:19 -from the will of another.
Ps 89
God appointed His Firstborn to Davids line is what I suggest to you and Jesus fulfils the promise God made to David that His line and throne would continue forever.

God appoints HIS Firstborn to Davids line as the Christ is the most exalted not David. As we read in Psalm 110 if David calls the Christ Lord how can he be the greatest King?
psalm 89:27-The most exalted is the Christ not David
And I will appoint him to be my firstborn,
the most exalted of the kings of the earth.

I agree with begotten I disagree with no beginning. So I agree in part. I don't know how you believe a coeternal person is from any other person.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father. -Col 1:19 Gifted not formed from the will of another

 

[Randy]

What is your evidence for this?

In the very same passage of scripture "The Firstborn from the dead" (first to rise from the dead)
Jesus is the beginning of the resurrection of the dead and the first to rise from the dead.

Jesus is the beginning of the creation and the first to be created. He is a being hence "born" from the Father.

The writer of Hebrews used Firstborn twice in regard to about the "Son"

when God brings the Firstborn into the world He commands all His angels to bow to Him. -Why the need?

And the church of the firstborn. That's very specific language to call the church. Not the church of God or the church of Christ or the church of the Son.

 

[Randy]

In the beginning if the creator said "Let us make man in our image" , then one has to question who is the creator with in the beginning because the scripture does not seem to say "let me make man in my image".

The Fristborn of all creation was before the world began.
God brought the world into existence through His Son. "Let us"

 

[Randy]

In regard to God it is written
No God was formed before me. -His words not mine. Why would He state "was formed" in regard to a God such as Himself if He always was rather then there was no god before me?

There is no scripture to state He has a beginning.
So does the bible explicitly state God has no beginning?

I think we should be discussing in terms of unbegotten and begotten.
IF the Father has a beginning it could not be by any other being. "Unbegotten"
So is the Son unbegotten or has a beginning by the Father? "begotten"