Dispensationalism

[reba]

Scofield's 7 dispensations.. a very short version..

Innocency
conscience
human government
promise
law
grace
kingdom.
Scofield is held by many to be the 'father' of despinsational teaching


Innocency? they were given a law... and if man was innocent he would not have failed they were also shown grace

conscience: this time is considered to be from getting the boot out the garden to the flood...
Again there was some kind of laws given Cain had no conscience he killed Able and was granted Grace.
Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Human government ;;from the flood to Abraham...Yet we can see from God making his moves
Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. \
human government did not change the tongues God did. Looking at the years involved These people had to have known the Grace shown to Noah ... Not to mention the promise to Abraham.

Promise ; from the call of Abraham to Mt Sinai . The scriptures plainly show us many promises inside and out side this time... Look at the picture of Grace we just studied from Joesph

Law : He (scofield) says the dispensation of law was from Mt Sinai to the Cross. There was a law in the beginning. Grace& mercy from that law
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Once given "moses laws" (Just a descriptive use of the words) that is when our conscience really kick in
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Here we can read of the mercies of David...if this was a time of law David would have been damned. Yet we see mercy...
Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Grace: from the Cross/ Resurrection to judgment... seems to me Grace has always been as have the laws. When has the Father not shown Mercy? When has there not been promise? when has there not been human government?
1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
2Ti 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;
Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Exo 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Act_2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
This is not the time of promise but guess what We have the promise of the Holy Spirit

Kingdom: Scofield calls this the reign of Jesus over Davids kingdom... or over restored Israel.
The Scriptures tell us simply and clearly what His kingdom is...

Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Ghost was given to us our Comforter .. The Word tells us His kingdom is righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. isnt the Holy ghost for today

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I no longer buy into Scofield nor his standard for rightly dividing the word .. to me he did not rightly divide the Word ... Some of his notes looking at the 1909 edition are clearly opposite scripture..

The wide use of computers, the ever expanding knowledge has lessened Scofield's influence over time...

Hitch has the 1909 edition of Scofields bible.
Our grandfather preached from it...

 

[jasonc]

Scofield's 7 dispensations.. a very short version..

Innocency
conscience
human government
promise
law
grace
kingdom.
Scofield is held by many to be the 'father' of despinsational teaching


Innocency? they were given a law... and if man was innocent he would not have failed they were also shown grace

conscience: this time is considered to be from getting the boot out the garden to the flood...
Again there was some kind of laws given Cain had no conscience he killed Able and was granted Grace.
Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Human government ;;from the flood to Abraham...Yet we can see from God making his moves
Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. \
human government did not change the tongues God did. Looking at the years involved These people had to have known the Grace shown to Noah ... Not to mention the promise to Abraham.

Promise ; from the call of Abraham to Mt Sinai . The scriptures plainly show us many promises inside and out side this time... Look at the picture of Grace we just studied from Joesph

Law : He (scofield) says the dispensation of law was from Mt Sinai to the Cross. There was a law in the beginning. Grace& mercy from that law
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Once given "moses laws" (Just a descriptive use of the words) that is when our conscience really kick in
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Here we can read of the mercies of David...if this was a time of law David would have been damned. Yet we see mercy...
Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Grace: from the Cross/ Resurrection to judgment... seems to me Grace has always been as have the laws. When has the Father not shown Mercy? When has there not been promise? when has there not been human government?
1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
2Ti 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;
Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Exo 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Act_2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
This is not the time of promise but guess what We have the promise of the Holy Spirit

Kingdom: Scofield calls this the reign of Jesus over Davids kingdom... or over restored Israel.
The Scriptures tell us simply and clearly what His kingdom is...

replace the word law with torah. torah means instructions. its akin to a dad telling a son what is right and wrong and how to live. sorry its that jewish thing in me.

 

[reba]

Dont pick on my LONG post i do very few of them :tongue

 

[jasonc]

Dont pick on my LONG post i do very few of them :tongue

lol.

we need a hitch commentary on the bible. I agree with what you said, it just that we tend from church teachings assume that the LAW was some hammer from god when its more like a loving guide to live right and to lead us to repentance. I think that the word Law is from the greek rendering. I doubt jesus ever said Law in aramiac or Hebrew but torah!

 

[reba]

Nicely said jasonc ! Punctuated and everything.

 

[jasonc]

Nicely said jasonc ! Punctuated and everything.

LOL.

 

[Classik]

lol.

we need a hitch commentary on the bible. I agree with what you said, it just that we tend from church teachings assume that the LAW was some hammer from god when its more like a loving guide to live right and to lead us to repentance. I think that the word Law is from the greek rendering. I doubt jesus ever said Law in aramiac or Hebrew but torah!

well said. The OT to many of our Christians today sound or look so harsh. The law or instructions are so straight-forward. Just like the compass that a pilot cant do without.

A million years ago when we were children, my friends told me they prefered Christ to God.

 

[Classik]

Nicely said jasonc ! Punctuated and everything.

someone has used similar pic here about three years ago. Cant remember who posted it. Caused us all a library of humor

 

[Gregg]

Dear Brother Classic, A dispensation of God is something He has dispensed to us for a given time. For instance, we do not have the same admonition of not eating of the tree of good and evil which I personally believe to have been the law in part which is a ministration of death, and it killed.

A dispensation normally introduced a covenant God had with men. E.g., Zec 3:7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by. Although this was not the beginning of a dispensation, the following covenant was which is know as the age of promise. Gen 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

One such dispensation was given to Paul I Col1:25. Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

To my understanding there are seven such dispensations starting with Genesis through the Millennium.

Hello Eugene,

Would you list those seven dispensations, giving their time frame [or as 'from Adam to Noah'] and perhaps a brief reason for each dispensation?

[added: My bad. I stopped reading before Reba's post #41. Do you differ with her list, and if so, How?]

 

[Eugene]

Hello Eugene,

Would you list those seven dispensations, giving their time frame [or as 'from Adam to Noah'] and perhaps a brief reason for each dispensation?

[added: My bad. I stopped reading before Reba's post #41. Do you differ with her list, and if so, How?]

Hi Brother Gregg, and I think reba's list is pretty accurate. I don't necessarily agree with her opposition to it. Though God's plan remains consistent from beginning to end concerning grace and judgment, man has been tested and shown to be lacking in their effort to reach God without His provision. Long story short, it all boils down to Romans 3:23-24.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (They all died through law)
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (All who called on Jesus lived)

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[Willie T]

well said. The OT to many of our Christians today sound or look so harsh. The law or instructions are so straight-forward. Just like the compass that a pilot cant do without.

A million years ago when we were children, my friends told me they prefered Christ to God.

I honestly believe this is a gigantic problem in our churches. I seriously doubt many people have escaped at least a portion of this fiendish infection.

 

[reba]

someone has used similar pic here about three years ago. Cant remember who posted it. Caused us all a library of humor

thisnumberisdisconected... i asked him if i could steal it...

 

[follower]

i think and am sure and don't doubt that anyone who eats of the tree of knowledge of good and evil today,
dies.

 

[Classik]

thisnumberisdisconected... i asked him if i could steal it...

Oh my! The username sure rings a bell. CF.net has seen great members. What year was that post.

 

[gr8grace3]

Scofield's 7 dispensations.. a very short version..

Innocency
conscience
human government
promise
law
grace
kingdom.
Scofield is held by many to be the 'father' of despinsational teaching


Innocency? they were given a law... and if man was innocent he would not have failed they were also shown grace

conscience: this time is considered to be from getting the boot out the garden to the flood...
Again there was some kind of laws given Cain had no conscience he killed Able and was granted Grace.
Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Human government ;;from the flood to Abraham...Yet we can see from God making his moves
Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. \
human government did not change the tongues God did. Looking at the years involved These people had to have known the Grace shown to Noah ... Not to mention the promise to Abraham.

Promise ; from the call of Abraham to Mt Sinai . The scriptures plainly show us many promises inside and out side this time... Look at the picture of Grace we just studied from Joesph

Law : He (scofield) says the dispensation of law was from Mt Sinai to the Cross. There was a law in the beginning. Grace& mercy from that law
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Once given "moses laws" (Just a descriptive use of the words) that is when our conscience really kick in
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Here we can read of the mercies of David...if this was a time of law David would have been damned. Yet we see mercy...
Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Grace: from the Cross/ Resurrection to judgment... seems to me Grace has always been as have the laws. When has the Father not shown Mercy? When has there not been promise? when has there not been human government?
1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
2Ti 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;
Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Exo 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Act_2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
This is not the time of promise but guess what We have the promise of the Holy Spirit

Kingdom: Scofield calls this the reign of Jesus over Davids kingdom... or over restored Israel.
The Scriptures tell us simply and clearly what His kingdom is...

Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Ghost was given to us our Comforter .. The Word tells us His kingdom is righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. isnt the Holy ghost for today

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
​

I no longer buy into Scofield nor his standard for rightly dividing the word .. to me he did not rightly divide the Word ... Some of his notes looking at the 1909 edition are clearly opposite scripture..

The wide use of computers, the ever expanding knowledge has lessened Scofield's influence over time...

Hitch has the 1909 edition of Scofields bible.
Our grandfather preached from it...

I line up with Scofield on a lot of this. (August 19, 1843 – July 24, 1921)

But He is far from the Father of this teaching. I think that gets thrown at Him to make people believe that this is a relatively "new" teaching, thus made up by men.

Darby(18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was probably one of the first to systematize the teaching. But dispensations had been taught by very early theologians and Christians. Darby is Probably considered by most to have put it together for a more complete understanding of the teaching.

Isaac Watts (1674-1748)~~ " The Harmony of all the Religions which God ever Prescribed to Men and all his Dispensations towards them."

Pierre Poiret~~The Divine Economy (1687)

Although not as clear as the above mentioned men, these ante-Nicene fathers taught on ages and dispensations. They even distinguished between the Church and national Israel.
Justin Martyr (110-165)

Irenaeus (130-200)

Tertullian (c. 160-220)

Methodius (d. 311)

Victorinus of Petau (d. 304)

Dispensations and its teachings are not new. They have just been made more clear for us by great teachers such as Scofield,Darby,Chafer and the like. These guys knew mystery doctrine. And mystery doctrine started to get persecuted around the time of Scofield, that is why most Christians today have no idea of Mystery doctrine and It sounds foreign to them. Very few teachers know mystery doctrine, let alone teach it.

 

[jasonc]

reba, ask hitch to send you the source on the Zionist link to him(schofield) and the payment. I wish to read that. I prefer non anti-semetic sources.

 

[Deborah13]

I line up with Scofield on a lot of this. (August 19, 1843 – July 24, 1921)

But He is far from the Father of this teaching. I think that gets thrown at Him to make people believe that this is a relatively "new" teaching, thus made up by men.

Darby(18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was probably one of the first to systematize the teaching. But dispensations had been taught by very early theologians and Christians. Darby is Probably considered by most to have put it together for a more complete understanding of the teaching.

Isaac Watts (1674-1748)~~ " The Harmony of all the Religions which God ever Prescribed to Men and all his Dispensations towards them."

Pierre Poiret~~The Divine Economy (1687)

Although not as clear as the above mentioned men, these ante-Nicene fathers taught on ages and dispensations. They even distinguished between the Church and national Israel.
Justin Martyr (110-165)

Irenaeus (130-200)

Tertullian (c. 160-220)

Methodius (d. 311)

Victorinus of Petau (d. 304)

Dispensations and its teachings are not new. They have just been made more clear for us by great teachers such as Scofield,Darby,Chafer and the like. These guys knew mystery doctrine. And mystery doctrine started to get persecuted around the time of Scofield, that is why most Christians today have no idea of Mystery doctrine and It sounds foreign to them. Very few teachers know mystery doctrine, let alone teach it.

Do you have weblinks or books which state these men's writings on this subject? I am referring to Justin Martyr, etc. They wrote so much it would be helpful if you could give some direct quotes from these men that we can be good students and decide for ourselves. Thanks

EDIT: Justin Martyr
"Moreover, by the works and by the attendant miracles, it is possible for all to understand that He is the new law, and the new covenant, and the expectation of those who out of every people wait for the good things of God. For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham (who in uncircumcision was approved of and blessed by God on account of his faith, and called the father of many nations), are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ, as shall be demonstrated while we proceed."
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.xi.html

That doesn't sound like modern dispensationalism to me.