Divisions

[dwb001]

Having ears to hear but do not hear with them. Read what i said, and then read your reply. If i plainly say that interpretation belong to God, NOT to humans, how are you replying "So that is your interpretation"?

For those who don't already think they know the Truths of God and would like to see the verses which teaches that interpretations belong to God, i made this video:

What kind of prophet would i be, if God did not thoroughly educate me on His Word?

A false one.

No.

2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture (NOT just the Pentateuch) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (Does the Pentateuch instructs us Christians in Righteousness? NO) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Another misuse of an English translation.

Does Brother Mark make a mistake here?

Mar_12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: (NOT said by Brother Moses, but said by Brother David)

Jesus just referred to what David said, as being SCRIPTURE. So then not even Jesus believed that ONLY the Pentateuch was referred to as Scriptures, like it seems you believe, because of the statement you made.

The English is being generous in it's use of the word Scripture when the original would be better rendered as writings.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Good one... But it is the 1st century Jewish way to look at things.

It's not the 1st century Jewish way to look at things, because the 1st century Jews didn't realize that Isaiah was speaking of the Messiah.

The word "scripture" is translated as just writings.
A Jewish person would call Isaiah "Prophecy"... not "Scripture".

Jewish people refer to all the Prophets as scripture,

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning. himself. Lk.24:27

For even Chrispleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom.15:3-4

Paul is quoting Psa.69 and referring to it as scripture.

What's your point?

 

[dwb001]

It's not the 1st century Jewish way to look at things, because the 1st century Jews didn't realize that Isaiah was speaking of the Messiah.

Jewish people refer to all the Prophets as scripture,

scripture... fine. But not Scripture.

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning. himself. Lk.24:27

English translation issue... writings.

For even Chrispleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom.15:3-4

Writings

Paul is quoting Psa.69 and referring to it as scripture.

writings

What's your point?

People lean too much on 'Scripture' as an excuse to believe. If I wrote something an said it was "Scripture" you must all believe it? Why would a modern text not be considered "Scripture" if it said is was? Really... why not?

That question stands for the entire New Testament. Is it considered "Scripture" because it says it is?

Begin to develop some critical thinking skills to examine the difference between the different writings in the world.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

scripture... fine. But not Scripture.

English translation issue... writings.

Writings

writings

People lean too much on 'Scripture' as an excuse to believe. If I wrote something an said it was "Scripture" you must all believe it? Why would a modern text not be considered "Scripture" if it said is was? Really... why not?
That question stands for the entire New Testament. Is it considered "Scripture" because it says it is?

I believe whatever is written or spoken by someone through inspiration of our Lords' Spirit is scripture.

Begin to develop some critical thinking skills to examine the difference between the different writings in the world.

One difference between the Bible and other writings in the world, is that the Bible doesn't disagree with itself. It all says the same thing, as believers should all speak the same thing, so I don't know what your point is.

 

[dwb001]

I believe whatever is written or spoken by someone through inspiration of our Lords' Spirit is scripture.

One difference between the Bible and other writings in the world, is that the Bible doesn't disagree with itself. It all says the same thing, as believers should all speak the same thing, so I don't know what your point is.

You asked me my point in the last post... and I answered it directly.
So long as I don't contradict other "scripture" I can call this post scripture?
That is what I hear you say.

 

[Free]

English translation issue... writings.

Writings

writings

What is your basis for this claim?

 

[dwb001]

What is your basis for this claim?

Strongs

 

[Free]

Strongs

So, Strong’s, presumably, says something about “writing” but then refers to it as “Scripture.” Is that correct?

All this is moot, is it not, since whether we translate it as “Writing” or “Scripture,” we are referring to the same thing? What does it matter what we call it when we all know it refers to a specific set of holy writings?

 

[dwb001]

So, Strong’s, presumably, says something about “writing” but then refers to it as “Scripture.” Is that correct?

All this is moot, is it not, since whether we translate it as “Writing” or “Scripture,” we are referring to the same thing? What does it matter what we call it when we all know it refers to a specific set of holy writings?

Exactly my point. Except for it isn't moot. Is everyone referring to the same thing? Usually not.
So in your opinion words don't matter? It is all the same in the end? Just use whatever words you want so long as you refer to the same thing? So I can use the word "fiction", "fever dream" or "Holy Scripture" interchangeably?

That is what I get from your post.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

You asked me my point in the last post... and I answered it directly.
So long as I don't contradict other "scripture" I can call this post scripture?
That is what I hear you say.

Certainly. That's what we're doing here. We're proclaiming the scriptures to the world. As our Savior is the living Word of God, so our lives in him is his testimony also,

Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us,written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not intables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 2Cor.3:2-3

 

[Free]

Exactly my point. Except for it isn't moot. Is everyone referring to the same thing? Usually not.

Context, context, context. In the context of this discussion about the Bible, on Christian forums, when we understand that we are only talking about a certain set of holy writings, whether we were to consistently use “Writing” or “Scripture” hardly matters. It is just less confusing to use “Scripture.”

So in your opinion words don't matter? It is all the same in the end? Just use whatever words you want so long as you refer to the same thing? So I can use the word "fiction", "fever dream" or "Holy Scripture" interchangeably?

That is what I get from your post.

There is no way that in applying critical thinking one could get that from my post.

 

[dwb001]

Certainly. That's what we're doing here. We're proclaiming the scriptures to the world. As our Savior is the living Word of God, so our lives in him is his testimony also,

Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us,written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not intables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 2Cor.3:2-3

So you are saying that anyone can write "Holy Scripture"?
Neat.
So long as I don't contradict already established "scripture".
So anything I say will now be the "true word of God".

That is a big statement you are making. Thanks for your permission for me to put words in Gods mouth.

 

[dwb001]

Context, context, context. In the context of this discussion about the Bible, on Christian forums, when we understand that we are only talking about a certain set of holy writings, whether we were to consistently use “Writing” or “Scripture” hardly matters. It is just less confusing to use “Scripture.”


There is no way that in applying critical thinking one could get that from my post.

And yet that is what you said... words don't matter.
"What does it matter what we call it..." Your words.
So yes... critical thinking leads us directly to my conclusion.

 

[Free]

And yet that is what you said... words don't matter.
"What does it matter what we call it..." Your words.
So yes... critical thinking leads us directly to my conclusion.

I never said words don’t matter. I said whether we call it “Writing” or “Scripture” doesn’t matter, since the Greek word can be translated either way. It doesn’t just translate into whatever English word one wants.

 

[dwb001]

I never said words don’t matter. I said whether we call it “Writing” or “Scripture” doesn’t matter, since the Greek word can be translated either way. It doesn’t just translate into whatever English word one wants.

You said what I put in quotes... "What does it matter what we call it..." Please don't misrepresent what I said when I am representing what you said with direct quotes and then putting your quote into my words. Please correct me if I get it wrong... but you appear to be deliberately misquoting me.

 

[Free]

You said what I put in quotes... "What does it matter what we call it..."

Again, context. What did the rest of that sentence say and what did I say in the sentence that immediately preceded that one?

The irony is, this is exactly one of the reasons there are so many divisions—people often take verses from the Bible out of context.

Please don't misrepresent what I said when I am representing what you said with direct quotes and then putting your quote into my words. Please correct me if I get it wrong... but you appear to be deliberately misquoting me.

What?

 

[dwb001]

Again, context. What did the rest of that sentence say and what did I say in the sentence that immediately preceded that one?

What... you don't remember?

The irony is, this is exactly one of the reasons there are so many divisions—people often take verses from the Bible out of context.

By blindly calling writings as scripture... yes.

What?

You misrepresented me and what I said. I translated what you said... then quoted you for reference. You took my translation as a quote. Was that a deliberate deception on your part or just a lazy reading of the post?

 

[Free]

What... you don't remember?

I’m not going to play silly games with you. I’m asking you what I said since you quoted only part of a sentence, taking it out of context.

By blindly calling writings as scripture... yes.

No, that is not taking anything out of context. That is the consistent translation of a Greek word. Again, if we know that we are referring to a specific set of holy writings, whether we consistently translate graphe as “Writing” or “Scripture” is irrelevant.

You misrepresented me and what I said. I translated what you said... then quoted you for reference. You took my translation as a quote. Was that a deliberate deception on your part or just a lazy reading of the post?

Where?

 

[journeymanisnothing]

So you are saying that anyone can write "Holy Scripture"?
Neat.
So long as I don't contradict already established "scripture".
So anything I say will now be the "true word of God".

That is a big statement you are making. Thanks for your permission for me to put words in Gods mouth.

My point was, if we're listening to Jesus, God is putting his words in our mouths.

 

[dwb001]

I’m not going to play silly games with you. I’m asking you what I said since you quoted only part of a sentence, taking it out of context.

I quoted the relevant part.

No, that is not taking anything out of context. That is the consistent translation of a Greek word. Again, if we know that we are referring to a specific set of holy writings, whether we consistently translate graphe as “Writing” or “Scripture” is irrelevant.

"Specific set of holy writings" is a third translation of the word... not even the top two. So why ignore the top two interpretations of the word in favour of a third level understanding?

That is like saying the Hadith are the same as the Quran. (Islamic reference)

Where?

In post #34 you said "I never said words don’t matter." That was where you misrepresented what I was saying.... Context.