Edward
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I didn't want to believe it either at first. But...
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I didn't want to believe it either at first. But...
The Nephilim are the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men.
Chuck Missler didn’t begin any such thing.
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
These giants are apart of Bible history.
Moses wrote about them and lead the children of Israel to war against some of them.
They eventually had to drive them out of their promised land, led by Joshua.
Please explain how these sons of God continue after the flood when only Noah and his family survived.
JLB
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Please show the scripture that says it’s impossible for an angel to manifest in the natural realm as a man.
The angels that bring the word of the Lord to the prophets, actually have the prophecy before the prophet does.
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 1 Corinthians 14:32
20 Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God, 21 yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, [c]being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. 23 At the beginning of your supplications the [d]command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:
24 “Seventy [e]weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
[f]To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint [g]the Most Holy.
25 “Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The [h]street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”
Daniel 9:20-27
JLB
Since Adam sinned the only way to become a son of God is by being born again.
Adam was created by God and was the only son of God listed in the genealogy of Genesis 5.
This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.
6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. 7 After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. 8 So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.
9 Enosh lived ninety years, and begot [a]Cainan. 10 After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. 11 So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.
12 Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. 13 After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters. 14 So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.
15 Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. 16 After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters. 17 So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.
18 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. 19 After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 20 So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.
21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. 22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. 26 After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters. 27 So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.
28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed.” 30 After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters. 31 So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.
32 And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Genesis 5:1-32
Do you believe a son of God is created through natural child birth?
Please point out the son of God in the genealogy of Genesis 5.
Only Adam is called a son of God because God created him.
JLB
Truth7t7
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Again you promote your opinion with no scripture.
Here is what the scripture plainly says.
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4
Nephilim giants were produced from the union of the sons of God and the daughters of men.
This is not a myth, it’s biblical truth.
This did not start with Chuck Missler recently, but Moses wrote these words by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
If you believe the sons of God were “godly” men, then that is your choice.
We would then have to believe that “godly” men produced evil giants as offspring.
Here are some relevant biblical fact that one needs to consider:
Nephilim giants are not mentioned in the genealogy of Genesis 5, which serves as the context of Genesis 6.
There is no mention of sons of God in the genealogy of Genesis 5, which serves as the context of Genesis 6.
The term sons of God is an Old Testament reference to angels.
[Job 1:6 - Job 2:1 - Job 38:7]
The New Testament writers referred to them as angels.
Jude, who speaking by the Spirit directly quotes Enoch, describes angels who did not keep their proper domain, and left their own abode, were associated with sexual immorality.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6-7
Peter says it this way -
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5
Peter directly associates these angels with the incident during the days of Noah.
If you want to discuss peaceably, what the scriptures say, then please let’s do so.
If you are unwilling to discuss what the scriptures say and answer my question as how flesh and blood “godly men” were unaffected by the flood and continued to produce Nephilim giants after the flood that wiped out all flesh, save Noah and his household, then we will just agree to disagree.
JLB
There is no scripture that says who these witnesses will be.
We can do some deductive reasoning though, based on scripture.
The bible says "It is appointed unto men, once to die".
The witness are human as they will be killed at one point.
The witness are sent... so they must not be appointed from those still alive on the earth.
There are only two humans...ever... who have left this earth without dying. They are Enoch and Elijah.
This is why most people believe that these two will be the witnesses... when they die... they will fulfill scripture that says each man is appointed a human death.
Hebrews 9:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
I think that careful investigation of the terminology of the scriptures in their true language and comparisons to similar usage of terms and words will prove you wrong.
Angels did leave their first estate and take human women and have children. Whether you believe it or not does not change the truth.
Truth7t7
Member
The Very verses used to claim the "False Teaching" that "Angels" were called "The Son's Of God"?
In verse 1 we see clearly "Men Began To Multiply" not Angels as you claim.
Verse 2 clearly states these men called "The Son's Of God" took wives?
Angels Don't marry, as scripture clearly teaches, your belief is unscriptural.
"The Son's Of God, Are All Believers Led By The Holy Spirit"
The teaching of the Nephalim is false, a brain child of Chuck Missler, Koinonia House.
Genesis 6:1-4KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Angels Don't Marry Humans!
Matthew 22:30KJV
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
"The Son's Of God, Are All Believers Led By The Holy Spirit"
Romans 8:14KJV
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
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Seriously?
Let's look again, shall we:
Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
The first verse states that men had daughters.
The second states that the "sons of God" saw the "daughters of men" and took them for their wives.... Two distinct entities.
It's simple and stated as such..
Like "The English had daughters" and "The French saw the daughters of the English and that they were good looking and took them for their wives"
NOT: "The English had daughters and The English saw these daughters and took them for their wives"
That would be ridiculous.
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Edward
2024 Supporter
Chuck Missler didn't make that up, that's been around for thousands of years! It's important to understand it because it explains so much of scripture. Like why would God tell them to go commit genocide on an entire race of people including women & children...?
Because they were hybrid nephilim, that's why.
If you think this a new idea brought out in the last 20 years...Then you have a lot more studying to do, brother!
No scripture just opinion.
Yes. How did they come to be there after the flood, since the flood wiped out all flesh ?
This is how the Nephilim were produced.
- giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:4
If the sons of God were the source of the Nephilim, then that meant they would somehow, have to have been unaffected by the flood.
If they were flesh and blood men then they would have been destroyed in the flood and could not have continued producing Nephilim after the flood.
However that’s not the case, and they did in fact continue to produce Nephilim giants after the flood because they were unaffected by the flood.
Can you explain how the sons of God survived the flood unaffected, since you don’t believe they were angels?
If they were godly men and not angels, the only conclusion is that Noah and his sons were the “sons of God” that were the source of these Nephilim giants.
Is that what you believe?
JLB
Razeontherock
Member
Unfortunately a small thread cleanup was necessary. This topic is interesting, and some people are passionate about it. It's ok to express ideas, but repeating the same thing ad nauseum does nothing to promote a healthy discussion. Please, when you arrive at the point of having nothing new to contribute, acknowledge that. If you don't see why people disagree with you, asking them that might be a better approach than beating the proverbial dead horse.
The content below is from a post I am unable to restore, originally posted by Jack's Bratt:
medically and genetically a hybrid female and pure male, can have pure offspring... and... not pure....
Could this be where the Cannanites arrived from... after Noah cursed his grandson?
That contributes something new to the discussion! Thank you.
The content below is from a post I am unable to restore, originally posted by Jack's Bratt:
medically and genetically a hybrid female and pure male, can have pure offspring... and... not pure....
Could this be where the Cannanites arrived from... after Noah cursed his grandson?
That contributes something new to the discussion! Thank you.
Edward
2024 Supporter
...maybe. I'm not positive. But it kinda makes sense. The way I understand it, Noah's sons didn't take wives until almost time tow board the ark. So the were prolly contaminated .
They were on the ark for a year or so? That's enough time for a young lady yo have a baby...(I've heard it preached and put forth as a speculation that Noah cursed Ham's son...because he had 6 fingers and toes, Noah knew the boy had nephilim genes in him...)
So that makes sense to me...
Here is how the Nephilim were produced, according to the word of God.
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
- There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men
Not through some "genes" that were carried on the Ark by Noah's daughters.
If we want to "guess" and use our theories, then sure, we can just make up any ole doctrine about any subject.
If we are to be guided in our understanding then we need to read and believe what the word of God so plainly says.
- There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward...
The way the Nephilim were produced before the flood is the way they were produced after the flood.
- ...when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men
Here are some relevant biblical fact that one needs to consider:
Nephilim giants are not mentioned in the genealogy of Genesis 5, which serves as the context of Genesis 6.
There is no mention of sons of God in the genealogy of Genesis 5, which serves as the context of Genesis 6.
The term sons of God is an Old Testament reference to angels.
[Job 1:6 - Job 2:1 - Job 38:7]
The New Testament writers referred to them as angels.
Jude, who speaking by the Spirit directly quotes Enoch, describes angels who did not keep their proper domain, and left their own abode, were associated with sexual immorality.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6-7
Peter says it this way -
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5
Peter directly associates these angels with the incident during the days of Noah.
JLB
Yes.
It's difficult to "not see" that two distinct "beings" are being described.
Then couple that with the fact that these "godly" men took wives of whoever they choose.
Doesn't sound to "godly" to me.
JLB