You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.Sure, but none of that supports that he was just a “specially prepared man.” The NT is replete
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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.Sure, but none of that supports that he was just a “specially prepared man.” The NT is replete
Forgot that I had an unfinished reply to one member before replying to someone else.You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
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Blessings, Thank you, you're awesome!The second option doesn’t really make sense, right? At a minimum, according to Scripture, they must believe that Jesus is the Son of God. That does, however, mean that they have to have a correct understanding of what that means. Which leads to the first question.
I believe that belief in Jesus the deity of Jesus isn’t necessary to become saved, but that a truly saved person will not deny or argue against his deity. That is, if someone doesn’t have that knowledge at the point of salvation, but they are truly saved, they will come to understand and believe that Jesus is both truly God and truly man.
https://www.str.org/w/must-we-believe-jesus-is-god-
True points in your posts, very different from most internet blurbs or , well, anything on the internet.That's why He asked His disciples, "Who do you say that I am?" It's vitally important to know Him and believe on Him. You can't believe on someone you don't know.
Is that up to God, or man to decide/ determine ?Which brings us back to the question: What very basic thing(s) must be known to be saved where "saved" means born again?
Good. Likewise. Scripture says "Jesus is the Spirit" .Greetings Trevor, Great post, I was just wondering what about, what are your views when Jesus says, That God is a Spirit.
Love, Walter
God says He chooses.Is that up to God, or man to decide/ determine ?
So then also when a baby is born, what does the baby know ?Which brings us back to the question: What very basic thing(s) must be known to be saved where "saved" means born again?
God says He chooses.
God say it is determined by His will and not the will of man John 1:12-13
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Hello again TrevorL, and how are you all? Realizing of course what you are saying here, did you ever read this post?Greetings again Walter and Debbie,
Yes, I agree with your reference, Jesus is not God, or Yahweh, or God the Son. He is the Son of God:
Ephesians 4:13 (KJV): Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
But I do not know how this is actually connected with the question you asked, and my answer.
Kind regards
Trevor
My wife is not well and I am her carer in many things. I am feeling a bit better now after my six weeks in hospital in January and February, and at the age of 80 and my hospital condition was a close go as I was resuscitated as well as having other conditions. I had the pleasure of being shunted between three hospitals in my early treatment. It taught me that my time now is precious and I should not chase the wind. I have an urgent project as the Librarian for a close friend, and he was disappointed that it was not ready today, and he had also promised a copy of these five articles on The Atonement to someone in another region. It should take two or three more days of most of my spare time.Hello again TrevorL, and how are you all?
I have now, and although it adds a few verses that do not seem to be fully covered in this thread, it actually does not in any way answer what I have stated throughout this thread. They are not real definitive verses that override everything else, even if they are your favourite, obscure Trinitarian verses.Realizing of course what you are saying here, did you ever read this post?
Hi TrevorL, We will be in prayer for you all, please keep us updated, ok?My wife is not well and I am her carer in many things. I am feeling a bit better now after my six weeks in hospital in January and February, and at the age of 80 and my hospital condition was a close go as I was resuscitated as well as having other conditions. I had the pleasure of being shunted between three hospitals in my early treatment. It taught me that my time now is precious and I should not chase the wind. I have an urgent project as the Librarian for a close friend, and he was disappointed that it was not ready today, and he had also promised a copy of these five articles on The Atonement to someone in another region. It should take two or three more days of most of my spare time.
Yes Sir I understand what you are saying, We are still reading your views.I am surprised to read the whole thread again, and you have quoted my post, #82. I had participated in this thread extensively, both before and after my post, #82, and possibly my last post is post #178. I was surprised on review how much I have actually stated throughout this thread in support of the concept that there is One God. Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus is a human, now exalted to sit at the right hand of God, the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection. Did you read any of what I stated in my numerous posts? Have you read my thread "The Yahweh Name"? I am satisfied with what I have already written.
We are not Trinitarians, just Christians, Believers with Faith in Yeshua Ha MashiachI have now, and although it adds a few verses that do not seem to be fully covered in this thread, it actually does not in any way answer what I have stated throughout this thread. They are not real definitive verses that override everything else, even if they are your favourite, obscure Trinitarian verses.
Perhaps so, but I am a bit confused as to your beliefs concerning Jesus. For my part, I believe that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father, and that Jesus is the Son of God, but here in your new article on Hebrews chapter 2 which seems to be only a repeat of part of your similar previous article on Hebrews chapters 1-3 you claim Jesus is also "God". Do you have two "Gods"? Who is the "God" of Hebrews 1:1?We are not Trinitarians, just Christians, Believers with Faith in Yeshua Ha Mashiach
Psalm 8 is one of my favourite Psalms and I suggest that it is speaking about the New Creation. Now Jesus was created a human, MADE a little lower than the Angels. In what sense is Jesus superior because of his humanity. Please note he was made lower than the Angels.Christ Is Superior Because Of His Humanity
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angel
Do you need to believe Jesus is God to be saved?
Not even Jesus said that he is God come in the flesh. As a result of the backwards doctrine you posted here, it would have Jesus as being anti-Christ. When it says Jesus came in the flesh it refers to Jesus being a human.2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
To deny the biblical truth that in Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah, God became fully human is to propagate demon doctrine.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting,Not even Jesus said that he is God come in the flesh. As a result of the backwards doctrine you posted here, it would have Jesus as being anti-Christ. When it says Jesus came in the flesh it refers to Jesus being a human.
The teaching you posted isn't in 2 John 1 or any other verse for that matter. You're trying to make a leap from "Jesus came in the flesh" to "God came in the flesh" where none is stated in the Bible.2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting,
2Jn 1:11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.
No, I do not have two Gods, GOD Is A Spirit.Greetings again Walter and Debbie,
Perhaps so, but I am a bit confused as to your beliefs concerning Jesus. For my part, I believe that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father, and that Jesus is the Son of God, but here in your new article on Hebrews chapter 2 which seems to be only a repeat of part of your similar previous article on Hebrews chapters 1-3 you claim Jesus is also "God". Do you have two "Gods"? Who is the "God" of Hebrews 1:1?
Hebrews 1:1–2 (KJV): 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Kind regards
Trevor
I am at a complete loss as to what that really means in the context of Hebrews 1:1-2 which I quoted. In reality I like the re-arrangement of these verses to show the contrastNo, I do not have two Gods, GOD Is A Spirit.