Does Demon Possession get confused with the Concurrent Resurrection of the Spirit Body within the Physical?

[Terraphim]

I had another sign a couple of days ago. The week before, a fledgling sparrow drowned in a fresh water barrel. That was a sign that I talked about in the thread by a non-Christian entitled "Is God...Sexist?". This week something similar occurred. I have an outdoor slop sink next to a rain barrel. The sink drains into a 5 gallon bucket, which I carry away to dump. One morning, I saw that there were two drowned mice in the drain bucket. Again, as with the sparrow, this has never happened there before, and I cannot help but see the hand of God in this. I suppose that once one mouse got trapped, the other mouse followed because it wanted to be with the first one. So, I thought about Adam and Eve, and I thought about church mice, in relation to the natal estate of the broken spirit body. That is, that without God, people are spiritually dead and naturally depraved. Sort of like being stuck in a bucket of water, and feeling your strength slipping away. Swimming around and around, like two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl. Wish you were here. With just a thread. Or your dead. Without a vision the people perish.

The King James Version of Proverbs 29:18 says, “Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.”
Joh 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."

Of course, Christians are saved by grace through faith.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

However, we cannot forget the last part, about being created in Christ Jesus for good works.
It seems to me that the first good work is to accept the moral law, and so to keep it.
Having faith, loving God, and loving Jesus;
and in such manner, accepting the moral law, is the path to where there is a vision.

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Yes, exactly right. I like to quote this passage from Luke, but in Mark, the immediate response from Jesus is:

Mar_12:24 Jesus answered and said to them, "Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God?

That response was because their paradigm was incorrect. Now, Jesus was talking to some of the foremost men of the Jewish faith, who knew scripture, as well as doctrine and tradition. Yet He said such to them, as I must also say to you. Now, I admire your diligence and fortitude and erudition, but there is more than meets the eye here, so to speak.

You have missed my point. Their question actually makes sense if they ask it with the understanding of the resurrection that the Pharisees had--that there is a resurrection at the end of the ages, and life will simply continue. Jesus shows that they were wrong in believing that there is no resurrection and that life will just continue in the same manner as before. But, their question, and Jesus's answer, doesn't even make sense if an ongoing resurrection is in view.

Luk 20:27 There came to him some Sadducees, those who deny that there is a resurrection,
Luk 20:28 and they asked him a question, saying, “Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies, having a wife but no children, the man must take the widow and raise up offspring for his brother.
Luk 20:29 Now there were seven brothers. The first took a wife, and died without children.
Luk 20:30 And the second
Luk 20:31 and the third took her, and likewise all seven left no children and died.
Luk 20:32 Afterward the woman also died.
Luk 20:33 In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife will the woman be? For the seven had her as wife.”
Luk 20:34 And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage,
Luk 20:35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, (ESV)

Their question is about what happens when all eight physically dead persons are resurrected at the same time, where there would be one wife and seven husbands. There is clearly one resurrection in view, a resurrection that is of a different "age," where those of that age "neither marry nor are given in marriage." Clearly then, we are not in that age, since it is in "this age" that people "marry and are given in marriage."

My whole point is to show that this passage has nothing to do with the idea of an ongoing resurrection, as you have tried to make it say.

From what I have read, belief in transmigration was actually very common in early Christianity, before Catholicism. Whether or not that is so, I do not base my belief in transmigration on that, but rather on several passages of scripture which are fairly clear, as well as the fact that it is necessary as part of the overall picture, as I interpret scripture comprehensively.

I have read through the Bible many times, have read and debated theology for 20 years, and have some formal theological education, and I have yet to read a single verse in which transmigration is taught, or where it was ever an accepted Christian belief.

If I sometimes go overboard, and engage in poor exegesis, it is to emphasize a point which is established in other areas as well. Much of scriptural interpretation is subjective, however, as the nature of the subject matter makes it necessary. You do not seem to understand that quite as well as I. You appear to have more of a fundamentalist, concrete reasoning approach. There are different schools of thought concerning proper exegetical methodology. The degree to which we should lean on the leading of the Holy Spirit is one area of difference. Perhaps that is one of our areas of difficulty.


Yes, I understand that, and to me that is at the end of the times of the Gentiles.

As for my understanding of the Day of His coming, the referenced verse
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
is a simile, grammatically. However, it is a key to understanding scripture. This is well known,

The irony is that that is a more fundamentalist view.

but as I use it in this circumstance, you do not approve.

I don't approve of it in any circumstance. It is a figure of speech to help us understand that God's understanding of time is very different from ours, nothing more.

However, I am not asking for your approval. Still, I do value your input. It is fairly clear at this point that you are not going to understand things as I do. I have also made it clear that my understanding is not going to be significantly swayed, as I know that it is true. Fortunately, your salvation does not depend on an advanced perspective. The gospel is wonderful in this manner. Even so, it would be to your advantage, but that is up to you. Thank you, be blessed, be well.

On the contrary, adding reincarnation and transmigration, which are found in other religious and spiritual beliefs but not Christianity nor the Bible, is to add to Scripture in a most dangerous and self-deceiving way. The gospel never allows for such additions. It isn't an "advanced perspective," it is not at all a Christian perspective.

This might be of interest to you: https://theses.gla.ac.uk/7845/8/2016SchlesingerMTh.pdf

 

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Vine NT: age
The phrases containing this word should not be rendered literally, but consistently with its sense of indefinite duration. Thus eis ton aiona does not mean "unto the age" but "for ever" (see, e.g., Heb_5:6). The Greeks contrasted that which came to an end with that which was expressed by this phrase, which shows that they conceived of it as expressing interminable duration.
The word occurs most frequently in the Gospel of John, the Hebrews and Revelation. It is sometimes wrongly rendered "world." see COURSE, ETERNAL, WORLD. It is a characteristic word of John's gospel.

unto for ever : unto eternity : unto eternal life : unto the eternal realm : ergo, unto that world

Concerning the distinction of the manifestation from the second coming:
Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Mat 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Joh 21:22 Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."

Concerning transmigration:
Zec 1:5 "Your fathers, where are they? And the prophets, do they live forever?
Zec 1:6 Yet surely My words and My statutes, Which I commanded My servants the prophets, Did they not overtake your fathers? "So they returned and said: 'Just as the LORD of hosts determined to do to us, According to our ways and according to our deeds, So He has dealt with us.' " ' "

Your fathers died, like the prophets died.
Your fathers returned.
In this case, the return is not referring to the regeneration, it is clearly referring to transmigration.
Further, in some cases, I believe that the term resurrection is being used to mean transmigration.
There are documented cases which offer strong and compelling evidence for transmigration.
While it may be interesting reading, the opinions of scholars are not necessarily compelling.
Transmigration is nowhere disproved by scripture, despite claims to the contrary.
Transmigration is not central to the OP, though doctrinally entwined.

I am not going to maintain this thread indefinitely. However, I will respond to some things hereafter.
In some ways I envy your experience, and I respect it. I often do not have time enough for the things in life that I would prefer to be doing, or to have done. What I have done in life is to come from a background of fairly good scholarship, but I made some difficult decisions in favor of Christian life, which made much in the way of higher scholarship difficult. Even so, I persisted in achieving an in-depth understanding of the reality of Christian Life, as expressed through scriptural language. I have done my homework, so to speak, and though I may alter some minor points of doctrinal understanding, I will not relinquish what I have had to struggle and suffer so much for. In the end analysis, neither you nor I get to define what is Christian or not, rather it is God through the scripture and the Holy Spirit who does so. We do know, however, that an advanced understanding is going to be given:

Joh 16:12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Joh 16:25 "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father.

Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, And have multiplied visions; I have given symbols through the witness of the prophets."

There is a reason that God set up Christianity with both priests and prophets.

 

[for_his_glory]

Vine NT: age
The phrases containing this word should not be rendered literally, but consistently with its sense of indefinite duration. Thus eis ton aiona does not mean "unto the age" but "for ever" (see, e.g., Heb_5:6). The Greeks contrasted that which came to an end with that which was expressed by this phrase, which shows that they conceived of it as expressing interminable duration.
The word occurs most frequently in the Gospel of John, the Hebrews and Revelation. It is sometimes wrongly rendered "world." see COURSE, ETERNAL, WORLD. It is a characteristic word of John's gospel.

unto for ever : unto eternity : unto eternal life : unto the eternal realm : ergo, unto that world

Concerning the distinction of the manifestation from the second coming:
Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Mat 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Joh 21:22 Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."

Concerning transmigration:
Zec 1:5 "Your fathers, where are they? And the prophets, do they live forever?
Zec 1:6 Yet surely My words and My statutes, Which I commanded My servants the prophets, Did they not overtake your fathers? "So they returned and said: 'Just as the LORD of hosts determined to do to us, According to our ways and according to our deeds, So He has dealt with us.' " ' "

Your fathers died, like the prophets died.
Your fathers returned.
In this case, the return is not referring to the regeneration, it is clearly referring to transmigration.
Further, in some cases, I believe that the term resurrection is being used to mean transmigration.
There are documented cases which offer strong and compelling evidence for transmigration.
While it may be interesting reading, the opinions of scholars are not necessarily compelling.
Transmigration is nowhere disproved by scripture, despite claims to the contrary.
Transmigration is not central to the OP, though doctrinally entwined.

I know you did not write this yourself and want to know what website have you copied and pasted this from so I can study it further.

Transmigration is a teaching from the philosophies found in Hinduism and Buddhism, but is not taught in the KJV I use or any of the other translations. It was actually Plato that first taught this from Greek mythology.

Theoretical Christianity is nothing more than man' theories without fact or proof. Much of it comes from various mythologies like the false teaching of transmigration.

Theoretical - concerned with or involving the theory of a subject or area of study rather than its practical application.

We do not study the word of God through mans theories, but by practical application of what has already been written. Rev 22:18-19 God gives us a warning about adding to or taking away from His word. Vine's Expository Dictionary has various meanings for one word that many use that actually turns scripture around to line up with all these unbiblical theories that are being taught. If something does not line up with scripture then it is only theological thinking and not from the Holy Spirit that teaches us all truths.

 

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Vine NT: age
The phrases containing this word should not be rendered literally, but consistently with its sense of indefinite duration. Thus eis ton aiona does not mean "unto the age" but "for ever" (see, e.g., Heb_5:6). The Greeks contrasted that which came to an end with that which was expressed by this phrase, which shows that they conceived of it as expressing interminable duration.
The word occurs most frequently in the Gospel of John, the Hebrews and Revelation. It is sometimes wrongly rendered "world." see COURSE, ETERNAL, WORLD. It is a characteristic word of John's gospel.

unto for ever : unto eternity : unto eternal life : unto the eternal realm : ergo, unto that world

I don't understand your point.

Concerning the distinction of the manifestation from the second coming:
Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Mat 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Joh 21:22 Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."

And? I don't understand your point.

Concerning transmigration:
Zec 1:5 "Your fathers, where are they? And the prophets, do they live forever?
Zec 1:6 Yet surely My words and My statutes, Which I commanded My servants the prophets, Did they not overtake your fathers? "So they returned and said: 'Just as the LORD of hosts determined to do to us, According to our ways and according to our deeds, So He has dealt with us.' " ' "

Your fathers died, like the prophets died.
Your fathers returned.
In this case, the return is not referring to the regeneration, it is clearly referring to transmigration.

Zec 1:1 In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, the word of the LORD came to the prophet Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, son of Iddo, saying,
Zec 1:2 “The LORD was very angry with your fathers.
Zec 1:3 Therefore say to them, Thus declares the LORD of hosts: Return to me, says the LORD of hosts, and I will return to you, says the LORD of hosts.
Zec 1:4 Do not be like your fathers, to whom the former prophets cried out, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, Return from your evil ways and from your evil deeds.’ But they did not hear or pay attention to me, declares the LORD.
Zec 1:5 Your fathers, where are they? And the prophets, do they live forever?
Zec 1:6 But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not overtake your fathers? So they repented and said, ‘As the LORD of hosts purposed to deal with us for our ways and deeds, so has he dealt with us.’” (ESV)

The whole point of this passage is a call to repentance for the current generation. The first five verses are very clearly talking about the forefathers who did evil and did not "hear or pay attention to" God when he told them to "return from your evil ways and from your evil deeds." Verses 5 is rhetorical: "Your fathers, where are they? And the prophets, do they live forever?", and verse 6 provides the answer, "Did they not overtake your fathers?". That is, that God's words and statutes that they would be punished for their evil, overtook their fathers. Verse 6 is can only be referring to the very people to whom Zechariah was to give this "word from the LORD," the current generation. The "returning," as the NKJV strangely renders it, although the meaning is apparent, is translated as "repented" in almost every other version.

It seems that your main problem seems to be that you don't understand context, or at least how important it is to understanding what is being said. You continue to proof-text and read into passages what you want in order to support your beliefs, but that is completely backwards.

Further, in some cases, I believe that the term resurrection is being used to mean transmigration.

Where, and what is your justification?

There are documented cases which offer strong and compelling evidence for transmigration.
While it may be interesting reading, the opinions of scholars are not necessarily compelling.
Transmigration is nowhere disproved by scripture, despite claims to the contrary.
Transmigration is not central to the OP, though doctrinally entwined.

Transmigration is nowhere mentioned in the Bible, either implicitly or explicitly. In fact, Heb 9:27 states that "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement." And that is consistent throughout the Bible:

Luk 12:20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ (ESV)

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. (ESV)

Not to mention that the idea of transmigration or reincarnation goes against the heart of the gospel; it is works salvation.

I am not going to maintain this thread indefinitely. However, I will respond to some things hereafter.
In some ways I envy your experience, and I respect it. I often do not have time enough for the things in life that I would prefer to be doing, or to have done. What I have done in life is to come from a background of fairly good scholarship, but I made some difficult decisions in favor of Christian life, which made much in the way of higher scholarship difficult. Even so, I persisted in achieving an in-depth understanding of the reality of Christian Life, as expressed through scriptural language. I have done my homework, so to speak, and though I may alter some minor points of doctrinal understanding, I will not relinquish what I have had to struggle and suffer so much for. In the end analysis, neither you nor I get to define what is Christian or not, rather it is God through the scripture and the Holy Spirit who does so.

But you are almost completely ignoring his Church, the community of believers and family of God. No one is an island and all understanding of Scripture for an individual must take into account what has been said before. At no time has reincarnation or transmigration been taught as an accepted Christian belief. It is a denial of the plain teachings of Scripture.

What you have done is set yourself up against the entirety of Christian theological history, saying your understanding of the Bible is right and everyone else's is wrong. That is an exceedingly dangerous place to be.

We do know, however, that an advanced understanding is going to be given:

Joh 16:12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Joh 16:25 "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father.

Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, And have multiplied visions; I have given symbols through the witness of the prophets."

But you're proof-texting to support your beliefs which are nowhere found in Scripture. Interpreting the way you do, one could come up with the Bible saying just about anything and justifying just about any behaviour. Indeed, this is and has been the error of Gnostics, cults, and liberal (progressive) "Christians."

That more things would be brought to the disciples' understanding is clearly seen in the rest of the NT, from Acts to Revelation. Those beliefs are to which Jesus was referring, not neo-Gnostic, New Age, Buddhist, and Hindu teachings.

There is a reason that God set up Christianity with both priests and prophets.

Yes, for the same reason he did before: to keep people on the straight-and-narrow with correct teaching and Christian practice.

 

[gordon777]

So, when we consider the context of 1 Cor 15, we see that:

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
...
1Co 15:49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.
...
1Co 15:51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. (ESV)

Very clearly then, Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before. His language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already. It's all future tense.

Actually it is a mystery, and if you want I will repeat it for us.


Present tense, in Christ all are made alive ( Christ in us is life and is the resurrection of the dead/quickened together with Him now, presently in faith.)

We bear the image of the heavenly now, this is the new man, as we had the image of the man of dust/Adam, as all in Adam/dust shall die.


The mortal must put on immortality( must put on Christ/eternal life.) to be born of God, not of corruptible, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God who lives and abides for ever. ( to make us free indeed from sin)





Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)


Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:







John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.




The kingdom of God does not come with observation, as the kingdom of God is within us, and nobody sees the way of the Spirit, the same as they cant tell where the wind comes and goes..




John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

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Actually it is a mystery, and if you want I will repeat it for us.


Present tense, in Christ all are made alive ( Christ in us is life and is the resurrection of the dead/quickened together with Him now, presently in faith.)

We bear the image of the heavenly now, this is the new man, as we had the image of the man of dust/Adam, as all in Adam/dust shall die.


The mortal must put on immortality( must put on Christ/eternal life.) to be born of God, not of corruptible, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God who lives and abides for ever. ( to make us free indeed from sin)





Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)


Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:







John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.




The kingdom of God does not come with observation, as the kingdom of God is within us, and nobody sees the way of the Spirit, the same as they cant tell where the wind comes and goes..




John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

And yet Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before. His language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already. It's all future tense.

 

[gordon777]

And yet Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before. His language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already. It's all future tense.

That is the time when there is no more death, pain nor sorrow, caused by the wicked.

Until then, he that believes in Jesus shall not die, not see death, as He is the resurrection, the truth and the life.




John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

 

[gordon777]

And yet Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before. His language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already. It's all future tense.

Future tense does not teach us faith, faith is taught presently for edification/learning.


2 Corinthians 12:19 Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

 

[gordon777]

And yet Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before. His language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already. It's all future tense.

Examining the verses you are confused about.



1. Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption.


1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.



2. sown in dishonour and weakness, raised in power.


Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. ( Acts 26:18)


3. natural or spiritual.


1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:



4, quickening spirit or first Adam and flesh.



Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;



5. after that which is spiritual ( no longer in the flesh).



Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



6. the first man is of the earth, earthly, and not then joined one Spirit with the Lord.



Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.




1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

[Free]

Examining the verses you are confused about.



1. Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption.


1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.



2. sown in dishonour and weakness, raised in power.


Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. ( Acts 26:18)


3. natural or spiritual.


1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:



4, quickening spirit or first Adam and flesh.



Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;



5. after that which is spiritual ( no longer in the flesh).



Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



6. the first man is of the earth, earthly, and not then joined one Spirit with the Lord.



Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.




1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

I am not confused. Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before. His language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already. It's all future tense.

 

[gordon777]

I am not confused. Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before. His language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already. It's all future tense.

Jesus is the resurrection and we are quickened together with Him.

To not know that, cant be understanding, can it.

 

[Free]

Jesus is the resurrection and we are quickened together with Him.

To not know that, cant be understanding, can it.

Are you denying that Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before? Are you denying that his language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already, that it's all future tense?

 

[Terraphim]

gordon777
You are on the right track. The quickening refers to the quick, or the wick, which is the inner part, which is alive. In contrast, wicked is the past-tense of wick, which past-tense means dead. So, the quickening is equated with the regeneration, which has four stages, or generations. They are the Faithful, the Called, the Chosen (elect), and the Accepted (resurrected). The quickening begins with faith in Jesus, which is the first stage of the second birth. As with natural birth, the second birth has four stages. For the first birth there's conception, gestation, travail, and birth, after which one fully physically enters this world. For the second birth, there's the seal of the Spirit, the covering of the Spirit, the infilling of the Spirit, and the indwelling of the Spirit, after which one spiritually fully enters into the juxtaposed kingdom of heaven.

for_his_glory
Free
Sorry for hurrying through this part.

Vine NT: age
The phrases containing this word should not be rendered literally, but consistently with its sense of indefinite duration. Thus eis ton aiona does not mean "unto the age" but "for ever" (see, e.g., Heb_5:6). The Greeks contrasted that which came to an end with that which was expressed by this phrase, which shows that they conceived of it as expressing interminable duration.
The word occurs most frequently in the Gospel of John, the Hebrews and Revelation. It is sometimes wrongly rendered "world." see COURSE, ETERNAL, WORLD. It is a characteristic word of John's gospel.

unto for ever : unto eternity : unto eternal life : unto the eternal realm : ergo, unto that world

Luk 20:34 Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
Luk 20:35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

The word "age" in v35 was my specific point of focus.
The quoted material was form Vine's Dictionary, Section 1 paragraph 3.
I should have said, "attain that world", rather than "unto that world".
The point is that the underlying meaning may be rendered as "age" or "world", depending on your theological framework. I am not the first person to transliterate this in this manner. I am not the only person who has or does understand scripture in this manner. There are pros and cons concerning the results of understanding either way. It is, however, necessary for my view to be promoted as well as your mainstream perspective. This is not a new debate.

Next, Free

Concerning the distinction of the manifestation from the second coming:
Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Mat 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Joh 21:22 Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."

And? I don't understand your point.

I made this clear enough, but as a reminder, your position that the general resurrection is all future tense mostly depends upon "the coming of the Lord" as being only an end-time phenomenon. The above proven fact that "the coming of the Lord" also refers to the His personal manifestation to individual believers throughout history, means that those passages concerning resurrection may rightly be interpreted as meaning a non-en-mass concurrent resurrection, as I contend.

Next:

Transmigration is nowhere mentioned in the Bible, either implicitly or explicitly. In fact, Heb 9:27 states that "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement." And that is consistent throughout the Bible:

This is the obvious place for you to start, as none of the verses that you quoted are conclusive, and this one superficially seems so. The "man to die once" is here referring only to the physical body, as the rest of the verse concerns the soul or soul/spirit, which continues to live on after physical death. The part "after that comes judgement" is fairly conclusive as to an ongoing judgement, as there is no mention of a waiting period.

for_his_glory
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As for transmigration being works based, due to it's association with karma; no, I've made it clear that my understanding of salvation is faith based. As for your concern about being categorized with new age, eastern, cults, liberals, or gnostic, such a categorization would be false. If I can not find support for a speculative interpretation based on a comprehensive interpretation of scripture, then I do not consider it to be worthwhile. Salvation, even incremental salvation, is not based on exalted knowledge, only on faith regarding simple knowledge. Even so, there is much benefit in pursuing a higher understanding of scripture, and the scripture itself does urge it. As for danger, I am no stranger to it. The reformation is ongoing, and dangerous. Even so, this is the work that my life, and my God, has led me to do. I will not live in this flesh forever. I will accomplish some thing for Him who has accomplished so much for me.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[for_his_glory]

gordon777
You are on the right track. The quickening refers to the quick, or the wick, which is the inner part, which is alive. In contrast, wicked is the past-tense of wick, which past-tense means dead. So, the quickening is equated with the regeneration, which has four stages, or generations. They are the Faithful, the Called, the Chosen (elect), and the Accepted (resurrected). The quickening begins with faith in Jesus, which is the first stage of the second birth. As with natural birth, the second birth has four stages. For the first birth there's conception, gestation, travail, and birth, after which one fully physically enters this world. For the second birth, there's the seal of the Spirit, the covering of the Spirit, the infilling of the Spirit, and the indwelling of the Spirit, after which one spiritually fully enters into the juxtaposed kingdom of heaven.

for_his_glory
Free
Sorry for hurrying through this part.

Luk 20:34 Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
Luk 20:35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

The word "age" in v35 was my specific point of focus.
The quoted material was form Vine's Dictionary, Section 1 paragraph 3.
I should have said, "attain that world", rather than "unto that world".
The point is that the underlying meaning may be rendered as "age" or "world", depending on your theological framework. I am not the first person to transliterate this in this manner. I am not the only person who has or does understand scripture in this manner. There are pros and cons concerning the results of understanding either way. It is, however, necessary for my view to be promoted as well as your mainstream perspective. This is not a new debate.

Next, Free

And? I don't understand your point.

I made this clear enough, but as a reminder, your position that the general resurrection is all future tense mostly depends upon "the coming of the Lord" as being only an end-time phenomenon. The above proven fact that "the coming of the Lord" also refers to the His personal manifestation to individual believers throughout history, means that those passages concerning resurrection may rightly be interpreted as meaning a non-en-mass concurrent resurrection, as I contend.

Next:

This is the obvious place for you to start, as none of the verses that you quoted are conclusive, and this one superficially seems so. The "man to die once" is here referring only to the physical body, as the rest of the verse concerns the soul or soul/spirit, which continues to live on after physical death. The part "after that comes judgement" is fairly conclusive as to an ongoing judgement, as there is no mention of a waiting period.

for_his_glory
Free
As for transmigration being works based, due to it's association with karma; no, I've made it clear that my understanding of salvation is faith based. As for your concern about being categorized with new age, eastern, cults, liberals, or gnostic, such a categorization would be false. If I can not find support for a speculative interpretation based on a comprehensive interpretation of scripture, then I do not consider it to be worthwhile. Salvation, even incremental salvation, is not based on exalted knowledge, only on faith regarding simple knowledge. Even so, there is much benefit in pursuing a higher understanding of scripture, and the scripture itself does urge it. As for danger, I am no stranger to it. The reformation is ongoing, and dangerous. Even so, this is the work that my life, and my God, has led me to do. I will not live in this flesh forever. I will accomplish some thing for Him who has accomplished so much for me.

Be blessed, be well.

I know that this is what you have been taught by others, but my friend, none of this is scriptural but a ménage of word play that leads one down the wide path of destruction. If you want to believe Plato being a teacher of that which is only mythology you have every right to do so, but you also need to expect those that have a great Spiritual knowledge in the word of God to refute what you believe as when one knows the truth there is no debating the word of God.

Luke 20:34 Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
Luke 20:35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

Now compare these verses with the ones below as Jesus is speaking about the time when we are with Him in the age to come within the New Jerusalem.

Mat 22:23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
Mat 22:24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
Mat 22:25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
Mat 22:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
Mat 22:27 And last of all the woman died also.
Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

 

[Terraphim]

I know that this is what you have been taught by others, but my friend, none of this is scriptural but a ménage of word play that leads one down the wide path of destruction.

Thank you for your friendship, be it ever so slight, truly. While it's true that transmigration is a teaching that has been around in the world for a long time, and I have read some of Plato, and I have read of it in other works, that's true. I have also read of natural evolution in Aristotle, but I don't believe in natural evolution; though guided evolution may be true. It's also true that transmigration has debatable support in scripture. However, I maintain that there is nothing in scripture which actually discounts it, either.

Job 19:25 For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth;
Job 19:26 And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God,
Job 19:27 Whom I shall see for myself, And my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!

v25 First, Job speaks of the first coming of his Redeemer.
v26, 27 Job speaks of the death of his physical body, then he says that he will again exist in a physical body, and with the eyes of his second physical body he will see God, who is equated with his Redeemer.

Job is talking about transmigration here, not physical resurrection, and certainly not a physical resurrection at the time of the second coming, as he was speaking of the first coming.

While this is plain to me, and is one of the places which I know supports transmigration, yet it may be debated by others, as it is not plainly stated, and there are interpretational concerns with Job, especially.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Here we first of all notice the present tense, which does not accord with an end-time resurrection.
Next, we notice that the resurrection is not physical, and therefore marriage, and in this discussion, former marriage, does not pertain to it. Marriage pertains to physical existence, and not subsequently.

Rom 7:2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.

So, neither marriage nor former marriage pertains to the present-tense resurrected spirit bodies.
Rather, concurrently resurrected spirit bodies are as the angels, or from Luke, equal to the angels.
The description of the angels that we have from scripture are of composite beings who therefore are pairs, or dyads, as Cherubim, or they are tryads, as Seraphim. That is because their spirit bodies are enjoinded, even as the Adam was created male and female. This I know to be true, and this I testify.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[gordon777]

Are you denying that Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before? Are you denying that his language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already, that it's all future tense?

I am confessing that Jesus Christ is the resurrection, and we are risen with Him ( that is not the resurrection past to overthrow the faith of some, it is belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ so we be saved.)

I wonder if you think you are right, to stick on one verse out of the whole scriptures and then cover your eyes and ears to everything else and how long you think you can carry on avoiding all. ( not long)

All scripture says the very same over and over and over, there is a resurrection now, of Jesus Christ and that resurrection is in us, or we remain dead, and instead we are RISEN WITH HIM.

only stubborn people stick to their words like glue and never see the verses are keeping correcting their lost opinion.




1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.



1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

 

[gordon777]

gordon777
You are on the right track. The quickening refers to the quick, or the wick, which is the inner part, which is alive. In contrast, wicked is the past-tense of wick, which past-tense means dead. So, the quickening is equated with the regeneration, which has four stages, or generations. They are the Faithful, the Called, the Chosen (elect), and the Accepted (resurrected). The quickening begins with faith in Jesus, which is the first stage of the second birth. As with natural birth, the second birth has four stages. For the first birth there's conception, gestation, travail, and birth, after which one fully physically enters this world. For the second birth, there's the seal of the Spirit, the covering of the Spirit, the infilling of the Spirit, and the indwelling of the Spirit, after which one spiritually fully enters into the juxtaposed kingdom of heaven.

The quickening is by Spirit, and it is the very same time that the flesh is put to death.

Also scripture ( God) is very specific and detailed. we are COMPLETE IN HIM, circumcised by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by that circumcision of Christ.

Buried with Him, ( baptism of the Holy Ghost as He was anointed of the Spirit to baptize with the Holy Ghost as John witnessed) to be risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, rising Christ from the dead.

Then we who were dead in sins and had uncircumcised flesh, were quickened together with Christ ( risen with Him) to be forgiven all trespasses.

COMPLETE IN HIM.....





John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.


1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:


Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[JLB]

But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord 'THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB.'
The word "are" is present tense, which means that the concurrent resurrection of the spirit body 1Cor15 had been ongoing in Judaic life throughout the OT period, and continues to be so in all living branches, Judaic or otherwise.

The context of Luke 20:37 begins in verse 27, whereby the Sadducee’s who don’t believe in the resurrection began to question Jesus.

• Then some of the Sadducees, who deny that there is a resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, Luke 20:27

Jesus plainly taught there is a resurrection and it is future.


But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.” Luke 20:35-38

If people are still marrying and given in marriage, (they do everyday) then the resurrection of the dead in Christ has not occurred.

If people can still die, (they do everyday) then the resurrection of the dead in Christ has not yet occurred.


It occurs on the last day, at His coming.


But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23


No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44





JLB

 

[gordon777]

The context of Luke 20:37 begins in verse 27, whereby the Sadducee’s who don’t believe in the resurrection began to question Jesus.

• Then some of the Sadducees, who deny that there is a resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, Luke 20:27

Jesus plainly taught there is a resurrection and it is future.


But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.” Luke 20:35-38

If people are still marrying and given in marriage, (they do everyday) then the resurrection of the dead in Christ has not occurred.

If people can still die, (they do everyday) then the resurrection of the dead in Christ has not yet occurred.


It occurs on the last day, at His coming.


But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23

Firstly, when questioned about marrying, Jesus revealed how in this life, on this earth, some make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heavens sake.

In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage ( that is the eunuchs for the kingdom of heavens sake, who are also as the angels of God in heaven, while on earth)

As touching the resurrection of the dead, ALL LIVE UNTO GOD( that is the resurrection)




Matthew 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.



Further proof of that is simple( cant be avoided by anyone) that Jesus Christ is the resurrection, and since by man came the resurrection of the dead( it has come by Jesus Christ He is the living)



John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,