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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Does Demon Possession get confused with the Concurrent Resurrection of the Spirit Body within the Physical?
- Thread starter Terraphim
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But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:17
Because we are joined to Christ, and are one spirit with Him, then we are indeed seated with Him in heavenly places, at the right hand of God, having been raised with Him, that is to say our spirit has been raised with Him because we are one with Him; one spirit with Him.
Our physical body, will be resurrected from the dead, on the last day, at His coming.
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44
This is not the same as our current position “in Christ”, in which we are seated with Christ, in heavenly places; being one spirit with Him.
- Resurrection of our body; last day
- Raised with Him to be seated in heavenly places; now
We understand these two distinctly different things, because we rightly divide the word of truth.
Our sure foundation of understanding concerning these things is the unshakable truth that Jesus Christ will return to gather His Church, on the last day, at the resurrection of the dead in Christ, in which He Himself will gather His people together from the four corners of heaven (resurrection), and the four corners of earth, (rapture), at His coming.
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
Mark 13:24-27
JLB
I simply showed the context, which is Jesus contradicting the false mindset of the Sadducee’s who didn’t believe in the resurrection.
Then some of the Sadducees, who deny that there is a resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, Luke 20:27
JLB
Again, you are not rightly dividing the word of truth.
Resurrection from the dead means someone died.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:25-26
JLB
Our physical body is being in the flesh, and being that way we cannot please God.
But we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, and the Spirit of God in us, is our bodies being quickened by the Spirit that dwells in us( we are quickened together with Christ now Ephesians 2:5. Colossians 2:13)
Now we know no man after the flesh ( flesh has ceased) we know Jesus also no more after the flesh, only by the Spirit now.
We are a new creature now, already, all old has passed away and all is by God, who reconciled us to Him.
Then it is we which are alive and remain to be caught up with those who are alive to God from belief in Jesus being the resurrection and the life to be together with them in the clouds.
Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
"But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44"
Jesus is the resurrection, as all in Jesus are made alive.
That is why those who are alive shall never die who believe in Jesus ( they are already alive to Him)
We also are risen with Him, so we are risen the last day, and every day.
John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44"
Jesus is the resurrection, as all in Jesus are made alive.
That is why those who are alive shall never die who believe in Jesus ( they are already alive to Him)
We also are risen with Him, so we are risen the last day, and every day.
John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And I answered how the eunuchs are those in this life now, who do secretly what is for the kingdom of heavens sake( do not marry now, are an angels now and he who lives and believes in Jesus cannot die now, against your words thinking we die)
Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
It was Abraham and all the prophets we saw died, but they shall live as told.
For others, Jesus is the resurrection, and they who believe in Jesus Christ, shall never die.
"And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:25-26"
Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
The word of truth is dividing you, I hope you do not mind showing your lack of belief that we do not die if we believe in Jesus Christ being the resurrection AND THE LIFE.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
So, again, Are you denying that Paul states that the resurrection of the dead occurs when Christ returns, not before? Are you denying that his language shows that even he did not consider himself or those he was writing to as having been resurrected already, that it's all future tense?
I've given more than one verse, as there are several.
"All scripture"? Where is this stated in the OT? Please list every verse where this is stated, in the NT, to keep things easier for you. What you are saying and what Terraphim are saying are two very different things.
That assumes there is a correction to made and their opinion is actually lost.
You can quote Scripture but do you know what is being said? The verses from 1 Peter 3 don't support your point. The one from Col 2 does, in a way that I have not denied. The passage from 1 Cor 15, which I've quoted from, is speaking of Christ's resurrection as an example of what is to come for believers when Christ returns at the summation of all things; it is speaking of a physical resurrection.
None of this addreses my post and the truth that Jesus Christ and Paul taught about our physical body being resurrected on the last day.
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44
Do you believe the dead in Christ will be resurrected on the last day, at His coming?
JLB
Im not discussing eunuchs.
The discussion is about the resurrection.
The dead in Christ will rise at His coming.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16
Do you believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at His coming?
JLB
Please answer these simple questions.
Do you believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at His coming?
Do you believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs on the last day?
JLB
Thanks, I can see that you have considered this carefully. I think that your perspective is somewhat similar to mine, as it is based upon a careful consideration of scripture.
You also used this scripture in another post:
And incidentally, this second quote below supports another aspect of this debate; who are the just and unjust resurrected?
Act 24:15 I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.
Be blessed, be well.
Col2:12
I'm supposing that the "time that the flesh is put to death" in the first quote is referring to the mortification of the fleshly nature, and not the physical death. The "buried with him in baptism" in the second quote is specific to mortification. Then as follows, the resurrection "through the faith[,] of the operation of God", is what is concurrently given to the believer, according to God's directive.
You also used this scripture in another post:
This situation epitomizes our dilemma. Lazarus is physically dead, and has been so for several days. Martha speaks to Jesus, and repeats a simple creed, apparently of an end-time physical resurrection. Jesus doesn't delve into a theological discourse which specifies the different types of resurrection, He simply tells her the truth concerning the new life in the concurrent resurrection of the spirit body in a believer who continues to abide. The quoted bible version is here preferable to the NKJV; "though he may die", because Jesus is here speaking of spiritual death.
And incidentally, this second quote below supports another aspect of this debate; who are the just and unjust resurrected?
Act 24:15 I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.
In the second quote, Christ suffered for the "unjust", who are equated with "us", who are being "quickened by the Spirit". That indicates that in the first quote the "unjust" are the faithful Christians, and the "just" are the faithful Jews of the first covenant. Therefore, there is no support for a resurrection of the wicked, who are unjust but unsaved, as universalism, and partial universalism, is untrue.
Be blessed, be well.
Hello, and thank you for your testimony, may you be blessed.
I'm assuming that you have read through the thread enough to understand the points which have been made.
If so, then you have made your position clear, after due consideration of a substantial amount of material which indicates the validity of a position which is contrary to your own.
There are consequences to holding the opinions which you do.
Because of this, a surface level reading is not adequate.
Even so, I respect your person, and your testimony, and I wish the best for you in your walk with the Lord Jesus.
Thank you.
Be blessed, be well.
There is no present tense there as there is only one resurrection and only happens on the day of Christ return, John 5:28-29.
I agree that the resurrection is not physical according to 1Corinthians 15:35-58, but when Christ returns we are resurrected and caught up to Him in new Spiritual bodies and in the New Jerusalem there is no marriage or anyone given in marriage as in the New Jerusalem we are the Bride and Jesus our groom and all things are made new again. Scripture says we will be like the angels and we know they do not marry. There will be no need of marriage in heaven as God established marriage to fill certain needs here on earth as He first told Adam and Eve as they were joined together to go and multiply to fill the earth. There will be no more need of procreation in the New Jerusalem. Eve was created so Adam would not be alone and to also be a help meet for him and to populate the earth. No need for any of that in the New Jerusalem.
Do you believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at His coming?
Do you believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs on the last day?
Please give us the scripture that includes the word eunuchs as that is not what is said in Luke 20:27-40.
JLB is giving you truth through the word of God just as all of us that are showing you about the timing of the resurrection. The only consequences are those who rely on philosophies of Greek mythology to teach them instead of believing what has already been written in the word of God as many refute the scriptures they are given.
You seem to be a good man and have a heart for the Lord, please take into consideration what all of us are showing you in the scriptures.