Does Demon Possession get confused with the Concurrent Resurrection of the Spirit Body within the Physical?

[gordon777]

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death (Those being Spiritually dead) being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

All has occurred already, the wicked given favor will not deal justly, and the ones who have faith, believe to the saving of the soul. ( that is being born of God now, which is the life of Christ in us, and He is the resurrection and the life.)


Isaiah 26:10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.



John 11;24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[gordon777]

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

IMO, a 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. I see all things coming to pass as being very quickly done when Christ returns done in God's timing, not our timing.

Yeah, the thousand years is one day to the Lord, it is the day of salvation, and they reign with Him for ever.


Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.



All shall wail because of the Lamb.

Isaiah shows how they went into the clefts of the rock for fear of the Lord, when He arose to shake the earth.

Hebrews 12 continues how God shakes heaven also, to signify the new earth and heaven which canot be shaken and remains. The purpose is told, so WE FEAR GOD ( that is why they who pierced Him and all eyes should fear the Lord is a consuming fire who consumes the heaven and the earth.


Isaiah 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.

2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

 

[gordon777]

Those three Pharisees I listed were justified by faith as they believed in Christ in whom they heard and accepted the teachings of Christ believing in Him.

We are justified by faith, in the rising of Christ from the dead.

The three Pharisees cannot be justified by faith, until we have faith in the blood of Christ, shed for us......




Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romans 5:Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.



1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Free]

We hear the sound of the wind, but man cant tell where it comes from and were it goes to. 9 so is every one that is born of the Spirit/ cannot tell where it comes from, and where it goes to/ the Spirit.)

Jesus showed He was with us for a little while, and that the disciples would seek Him ( as He went away into heaven.) but Jesus old them, where He goes, they cannot come.

Next Jesus told the disciples, He went ( to heaven) to prepare a place for them, and would come again ( return from heaven) and receive the disciples unto Himself, that where He is ( in heaven) there ( in heaven) they may be also.





John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.




Jesus tells the disciples they shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost soon. The disciples question if Christ shall return the kingdom to Israel, Jesus tells them it is not for them to know, but that they shall receive power after the Holy Ghost is come upon them, to be witnesses of Christ to the uttermost part of the earth.

Then Jesus was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight, and the disciples were seeking for Him ( as He said to them, and that they could not go where He goes, into heaven ( John 13:33.) The disciples had this confirmed, saying, why do the disciples gaze into heaven ? That this same Jesus which is taken up from them into heaven, shall so come in like manner as they have seen Him go into heaven.

Then suddenly there came a sound ( from heaven) of a mighty rushing wind ( the wind comes and goes, and man cannot tell where it comes and where it goes/ so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:8.) and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost. ( Jesus went to heaven to prepare a place for them and came again to receive them, that where He was in heaven, they may be also. John 14:3-4.)

Except that Acts 1:9-11, which you quote, refutes this idea. Jesus's ascension was physical and visible; his return will be the same.

Earthly things the ungodly mind, and their conversation is not in heaven, they do not look for the Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven ( they look for Him earthly, physically.) But Jesus changed our vile body to be like His glorious body, as He subdued all things unto Himself.( went to prepare a place and then came again to receive them, so they may be where He is, in heaven.)


Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Context is king. What does Paul say just prior to this?

Php 3:10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
Php 3:11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. (ESV)

Even Paul states that he had not yet been resurrected from the dead. He always talks of the resurrection of believers as a future event.

There are not three resurrections, there is one. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.

It had a natural body ( physical/.flesh) it was raised a Spiritual body.

The first man is of the earth ( no longer man who minds earthly things) and the second man is the Lord from heaven. ( Jesus went to prepare a place, to receive us unto Him in heaven.)

We bare the image of the heavenly, ( Colossians 3;10.) and flesh and blood does not inherit, that is why we are not born of flesh nor of blood, but of God. ( John 1;13.)

There are two resurrections:

Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. (ESV)

Then, the second resurrection:

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. (ESV)

If you believe in amillennialism, then your view may have some legitimacy, but that would still require a second resurrection of the unjust (unrighteous) dead for judgement, and doesn't account for all those in Christ who are dead. The first resurrection is limited to a specific group of believers, not all of them. The first resurrection occurs close to the end of the age, the second very much at the end.

Our bodies will be "spiritualized" (glorified) physical bodies, the same as Jesus, not strictly spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

And this is speaking of those who are physically dead being physically raised. As far as I can see, in the NT, "resurrection" always refers to being physically raised from the dead.

 

[gordon777]

First we have to believe that Christ is just ( the just who died for the unjust) to bring us to God.)

Next we are washed, and sanctified, justified in the name of Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God( the Spirit given by belief in Christ being just, and justly rising from the dead to be glorified, to give us the Spirit, to justify and glorify us with Him)




John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[gordon777]

Except that Acts 1:9-11, which you quote, refutes this idea. Jesus's ascension was physical and visible; his return will be the same.

Nothing refutes what the scripture says, that the Spirit came as a mighty rushing wind to the Apostles. Jesus did return the same way, but as Spirit, as the scriptures testify also.



John 14: 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[gordon777]

Except that Acts 1:9-11, which you quote, refutes this idea. Jesus's ascension was physical and visible; his return will be the same.


Context is king. What does Paul say just prior to this?

Php 3:10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
Php 3:11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. (ESV)

Even Paul states that he had not yet been resurrected from the dead. He always talks of the resurrection of believers as a future event.

All we have to do is keep reading, and we see that Paul is ensample for all to follow him, that is the prize of the high calling of God in Jesus Christ, for as many of them as were perfect ( Paul is that perfect ensample to follow, who also speaks humbly) and says, we have already attained.




Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

 

[ezrider]

As I have stated, the term "believers" is used only of followers of Christ.

YOU have deemed "believers" as to ONLY those who follow Christ.

For the purposed of instruction, I have expanded upon YOUR definition of BELIEVER to include ALL who profess a belief in the scripture and the manuscripts. If you can not get beyond that, then there is nothing more to discuss.

 

[gordon777]

There are two resurrections:

Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. (ESV)

Then, the second resurrection:

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. (ESV)

The first resurrection is those who reign in salvation with Christ ( as the thousand years is as a day to the Lord, and it is the day of salvation, and they reign with Christ for ever.)



2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.




2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.




There are no two or second resurrections, there is only the second death. ( resurrection is reserved unto everlasting fire, flaming fire taking vengeance on them,to be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord.)





Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[gordon777]

Our bodies will be "spiritualized" (glorified) physical bodies, the same as Jesus, not strictly spiritual.


And this is speaking of those who are physically dead being physically raised. As far as I can see, in the NT, "resurrection" always refers to being physically raised from the dead.

Already occurred.


We are physically dead, and we then are Spiritually raised.


Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[Free]

Nothing refutes what the scripture says, that the Spirit came as a mighty rushing wind to the Apostles. Jesus did return the same way, but as Spirit, as the scriptures testify also.

Nothing refutes what the Bible says, but the Bible can refute what we think it says. You said: "Then suddenly there came a sound ( from heaven) of a mighty rushing wind ( the wind comes and goes, and man cannot tell where it comes and where it goes/ so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:8.) and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost. ( Jesus went to heaven to prepare a place for them and came again to receive them, that where He was in heaven, they may be also. John 14:3-4.)"

You seem to be equating Jesus's return with the coming of the Holy Spirit. Yet, Acts 1:9-11 clearly state that his return will be physical and visible.

Yes, he indwells believers through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but that is most certainly not his coming again, his second return.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Rev 22:7 “And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
...
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (ESV)

This was written sometime around 90 AD, long after the events of Acts 2 anyway. Notice that Rev 1:7 agrees with Acts 1:9-11, that his return will be physical and visible to everyone. Notice also that even Jesus says he will be coming soon, but not only that, he will be coming in judgement, which is what Rev 20 is about. And that only happens at the end of the age, after his physical, visible return.

 

[gordon777]

YOU have deemed "believers" as to ONLY those who follow Christ.

For the purposed of instruction, I have expanded upon YOUR definition of BELIEVER to include ALL who profess a belief in the scripture and the manuscripts. If you can not get beyond that, then there is nothing more to discuss.

Faith did no come until Christ came to earth, that is what brought us to God ( reconciled us through the faith of Christ.)


Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

 

[gordon777]

You seem to be equating Jesus's return with the coming of the Holy Spirit. Yet, Acts 1:9-11 clearly state that his return will be physical and visible.

No the record says, they see Jesus go into heaven and not that they will see Him return, but to stop looking, as He will come to them.



Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.



Jesus came to them, right away, and only you claim it has to be physical, even though we cant know Him but by the Spirit now.


2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[Free]

Already occurred.


We are physically dead, and we then are Spiritually raised.


Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

How has it occurred if many of us haven't physically died? The verses you quote are speaking of spiritual death, not physical. Spiritually, believers have died to sin and have been made alive in Christ. Physically, those of us who are alive obviously haven't physically died. 1 Corinthians 15 is only addressing physical death and physical resurrection, which is precisely why Paul begins with the physical resurrection of Jesus and then applies that same resurrection to believers.

 

[Free]

YOU have deemed "believers" as to ONLY those who follow Christ.

For the purposed of instruction, I have expanded upon YOUR definition of BELIEVER to include ALL who profess a belief in the scripture and the manuscripts. If you can not get beyond that, then there is nothing more to discuss.

I haven't done that. That comes from a plain reading of Scripture. It is the Bible that states it; I'm just repeating it. You are trying to expand on what the Bible already has made plain.

If you want to disagree, then, please, post one verse that applies the term "believers" to anyone other than followers of Christ. If I am wrong, that should be easy. If there isn't one, then you probably should reconsider making the Bible say something it doesn't.

 

[gordon777]

Yes, he indwells believers through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but that is most certainly not his coming again, his second return.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Rev 22:7 “And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
...
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (ESV)

He comes and we meet Him in the air, not physical at all.


1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


As for every eye seeing Him, and mourning, they shall weep and mourn as they are already testified they are thrust out of the kingdom of heaven ( which does not come with observation as it is in us) and they are cast INTO OUTER DARKNESS, AS THEY NEVER SEE LIGHT AGAIN.)


Psalm 49:19 He shall go to the generation of his fathers; they shall never see light.

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.



Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.




Only the many false prophets deceiving many say, lo here, or lo there and TO NOT BELIEVE THEM.



Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

[gordon777]

How has it occurred if many of us haven't physically died? The verses you quote are speaking of spiritual death, not physical. Spiritually, believers have died to sin and have been made alive in Christ. Physically, those of us who are alive obviously haven't physically died. 1 Corinthians 15 is only addressing physical death and physical resurrection, which is precisely why Paul begins with the physical resurrection of Jesus and then applies that same resurrection to believers.

We are not in the flesh ( we are quickened together/resurrected with Christ in us.)..


Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[Free]

No the record says, they see Jesus go into heaven and not that they will see Him return, but to stop looking, as He will come to them.



Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.



Jesus came to them, right away, and only you claim it has to be physical, even though we cant know Him but by the Spirit now.


2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Firstly, Revelation makes it pretty clear that he hadn't returned at that point, that it was future. It also makes very clear that it would be physical and visible to everyone. Secondly, this is exactly what is mentioned in Acts 1:9-11:

Act 1:9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,
Act 1:11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” (ESV)

You even bolded the phrase that contradicts your very argument: "come in like manner." But you are saying what the angels said was false, that he came in a different manner and not in like manner. Coming in like manner is to say that he "will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven," and that is, physical and visible to all. Again, this is in full agreement with what Revelation states.

 

[gordon777]

1 Corinthians 15 is only addressing physical death and physical resurrection, which is precisely why Paul begins with the physical resurrection of Jesus and then applies that same resurrection to believers.

The resurrection of Jesus is not flesh or blood, but of God/ Spirit.



John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[gordon777]

Firstly, Revelation makes it pretty clear that he hadn't returned at that point, that it was future. It also makes very clear that it would be physical and visible to everyone. Secondly, this is exactly what is mentioned in Acts 1:9-11:

Act 1:9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,
Act 1:11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” (ESV)

You even bolded the phrase that contradicts your very argument: "come in like manner." But you are saying what the angels said was false, that he came in a different manner and not in like manner. Coming in like manner is to say that he "will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven," and that is, physical and visible to all. Again, this is in full agreement with what Revelation states.

Jesus did come in like manner, and it cannot be Physical, as he came to us in Spirit.


John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.