Does Demon Possession get confused with the Concurrent Resurrection of the Spirit Body within the Physical?

[Free]

We are not in the flesh ( we are quickened together/resurrected with Christ in us.)..


Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

One must note that "flesh," like some words in Scripture, has more than one meaning. "Flesh," as used in the verses you quote, is speaking of that sinful nature, of living in state of continually following our sinful desires. But, physically, we are obviously living in bodies of flesh. If you were physically dead, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Your view appears to be becoming more Gnostic, much like that of the OP.

 

[gordon777]

Your argument is broken, flesh is your idea, ( flesh mind Ephesians 2:3. Colossians 2:18.)) and the Spirit is God.


John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[gordon777]

One must note that "flesh," like some words in Scripture, has more than one meaning. "Flesh," as used in the verses you quote, is speaking of that sinful nature, of living in state of continually following our sinful desires. But, physically, we are obviously living in bodies of flesh. If you were physically dead, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Your view appears to be becoming more Gnostic, much like that of the OP.

The Spirit is life, flesh is not. ( the body/physical is dead.)



John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

 

[gordon777]

That is why there is a spiritual body and a natural body, and we cannot continue to be natural/physical man who is not born of the Spirit.



1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[Free]

The resurrection of Jesus is not flesh or blood, but of God/ Spirit.

No, it was very much physical.

Luk 24:36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!”
Luk 24:37 But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Luk 24:40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”
Luk 24:42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
Luk 24:43 and he took it and ate before them. (ESV)

A glorified physical body. That is what we will be like.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Again, word definitions matter, as they do not necessarily mean the same thing in different contexts.

 

[gordon777]

If you were physically dead, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Physically dead does hold conversations...


Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[gordon777]

No, it was very much physical.

Luk 24:36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!”
Luk 24:37 But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Luk 24:40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”
Luk 24:42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
Luk 24:43 and he took it and ate before them. (ESV)

A glorified physical body. That is what we will be like.


Again, word definitions matter, as they do not necessarily mean the same thing in different contexts.

That is before He ascended of course, as flesh and blood cant inherit heaven


John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.




We did know Him after the flesh, you are right, but no we know Him no more ever again that way we once knew Him( flesh this time is physical, as we never knew Jesus after sins of the flesh)



2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[Free]

Physically dead does hold conversations...


Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

No, physically dead people do not hold conversations. Those verses are speaking metaphorically. You would do well to learn about figures of speech.

 

[gordon777]

A glorified physical body. That is what we will be like.


Again, word definitions matter, as they do not necessarily mean the same thing in different contexts.

Flesh and blood does not inherit, and no we look for Jesus Spirit( to worship God in Spirit as God is Spirit.)


John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[gordon777]

No, physically dead people do not hold conversations. Those verses are speaking metaphorically. You would do well to learn about figures of speech.

Of course they do, all live unto God


Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

 

[gordon777]

No, physically dead people do not hold conversations. Those verses are speaking metaphorically. You would do well to learn about figures of speech.

All live unto God, they are living, they talk with God, God talks with them. ( He is not the God of the dead.)


Revelation 11:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

[gordon777]

So far your claim of physical, is ignoring all the testimony of Spirit.

God is Spirit, we are one with Him, also that is the resurrection, there is no other. ( we are no longer the first man of the earth/physical)




1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

 

[gordon777]

When Jesus went to Heaven, He is Spirit, it is not difficult to know, and that is of course how He remains, but is in us for ever.

He is not changing back to physical, just because you want it that way.

Also we are born of God, now, quickened now, have Christ in us now, the kingdom of God in us now, and none of it came by observation, as faith IS THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN.

Also all we see is temporary, we look for what we do not see ( God is Spirit which no man shall see the light, but we shall see Him in us and we in Him.)


Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.



1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[for_his_glory]

God ( Jesus Christ) brings those who sleep in Christ, and we which are alive and remain meet them in the air ( not a physical resurrection) to be ever with the Lord.

Nobody said it was going to be a physical body resurrection as many in the ground have already turned back to dust. It's like scripture says, we who are Christ own will be raised with a new glorified body, but none of us knows what that will look like as it will not be a flesh and blood body, but a new Spiritual body. Just like those who are not of faith will be as spirit form, but do not receive a new Spiritual body.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I put this in red letters as if you have a red letter edition it shows the words Jesus spoke.

Notice the word "all" as being everyone in the grave whether they are God's own by faith, or those who have rejected God and Christ Jesus as both will hear the voice of Christ calling them forth be resurrected at the same time, but face two different judgements when the books are opened in final judgement. One resurrection, two judgements. Even a child could read that one verse and understand what it means without analyzing it or scrutinizing it putting it under a microscope to dissect it. Jesus said it, I believe it, end of story.

 

[gordon777]

Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh, who then was glorified with the glory He had with the Father before the world was. That was God, manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, preached to the Gentiles, believed ion in the world then received up to glory.

Now if you had noticed in Revelation, it is the throne of God and of the Lamb, He is not leaving it ( He is the Spirit.)

His servants shall serve Him ( as the throne of God and the Lamb is one, the Lamb of God and is God.)




John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

 

[gordon777]

Nobody said it was going to be a physical body resurrection as many in the ground have already turned back to dust. It's like scripture says, we who are Christ own will be raised with a new glorified body, but none of us knows what that will look like as it will not be a flesh and blood body, but a new Spiritual body. Just like those who are not of faith will be as spirit form, but do not receive a new Spiritual body.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I put this in red letters as if you have a red letter edition it shows the words Jesus spoke.

Notice the word "all" as being everyone in the grave whether they are God's own by faith, or those who have rejected God and Christ Jesus as both will hear the voice of Christ calling them forth be resurrected at the same time, but face two different judgements when the books are opened in final judgement. One resurrection, two judgements. Even a child could read that one verse and understand what it means without analyzing it or scrutinizing it putting it under a microscope to dissect it. Jesus said it, I believe it, end of story.

Yes all heard as the sound went into all the earth, but not all believed so some are dead and not risen with Christ as we are now.



Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

 

[gordon777]

Nobody said it was going to be a physical body resurrection as many in the ground have already turned back to dust. It's like scripture says, we who are Christ own will be raised with a new glorified body, but none of us knows what that will look like as it will not be a flesh and blood body, but a new Spiritual body. Just like those who are not of faith will be as spirit form, but do not receive a new Spiritual body.

We are sown natural, dishonour, weakness


Raised in power, glory, Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15;43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.




Here is honour and glory..


1 Thessalonians 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

2 Thessalonians 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.






Power and Spirit:


1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.





The natural we were:



1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:






Dishonour and weakness we were:




Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

 

[gordon777]

Notice the word "all" as being everyone in the grave whether they are God's own by faith, or those who have rejected God and Christ Jesus as both will hear the voice of Christ calling them forth be resurrected at the same time, but face two different judgements when the books are opened in final judgement. One resurrection, two judgements. Even a child could read that one verse and understand what it means without analyzing it or scrutinizing it putting it under a microscope to dissect it. Jesus said it, I believe it, end of story.

Christ called us to be resurrected before the time you talk of ( waiting instead of believing now in being risen with Him)

There is a judgement now, belief or unbelief..



John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.




This is not putting all under scrutiny, this is understanding all, to have all faith.

 

[gordon777]

Jesus is not of this world( not physical) and we are quickened with Him ( more than Adam who was only a living soul)

Justification is not in those Pharisees you mentioned earlier, it is by the righteousness of one, that all men receive justification of life( through the death and life of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.)




1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

 

[gordon777]

Spirit form is what people are now, and others have the Spirit of Christ in them all is decided by which Spirit we have in us, or we wont be quickened. ( Jesus is that just, He is that resurrection of the just, we are the unjust, cthe Pharisees you said were just before Him, were not)




Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.




Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: