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Another question that can be asked is why did Satan go after Eve instead of Adam?
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enlightened
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Because Adam could not be deceived, since GOD spoke the TRUTH to him. Eve, however, was deceived from the Beginning, since Adam is he who became Satan, the devil, and the serpent (as i believe).
vocalyocal
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I believe satan was once described as the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty, perfect in his ways since the day he was created
untill iniquity was found in him
isn't that how sin began spreading?
Adam failing to take responsibility and blaming the woman he was given
who proceeded to blame the snake
and you find ppl on forums blaming God
all this blaming led to the disharmony among us
we cannot trust each other
we are Eve to the other's Adam
where we should find love
we encounter subjugation
as sin infiltrated humanity
Adam failing to take responsibility and blaming the woman he was given
who proceeded to blame the snake
and you find ppl on forums blaming God
all this blaming led to the disharmony among us
we cannot trust each other
we are Eve to the other's Adam
where we should find love
we encounter subjugation
as sin infiltrated humanity
Deborah13
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It gets better than that....
Genesis 3:12
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
12 The man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate.”
First he blames her, then he blames GOD.
Greetings enlightened,
I found a couple topical studies online that I hope will help your search. Keep knocking, keep asking and know that He hears and will answer.
Study one: BibleStudy.org
Study two: Naves Topical Study hosted on BibleStudyTools.com
I can locate more if you'd like.
Cordially,
Sparrowhawke
enlightened
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Your belief is correct according to EZ28:12-15; but, is this not also the same state Adam was in at his creation, given he was created in the expressed image of the LORD, which is that of a man, and after the Likeness of the LORD, which is light (Ez1:26-28; 1JN1:9)? And was not iniquity also found in Adam's heart (bosom, JOB31:33)?
Consider: since the devil is the father of the lie and all who lie (JN8:44), then the only way Eve could speak the untruth - Don't Touch - in her testimony (GEN3:2-3), is if it was a lie she was told prior, and she believe was the truth. Then Adam is to blame for this deception because he was the only one to whom the LORD GOD spoke the Commandment, for Eve was not yet created (GEN2:15-17).
Do you not realize that the man has blamed the woman (and all women) since the Beginning, and has held her in bondage, even though he is the serpent who deceived her? i speak a revelation, that 'That Wicked One' is indeed Adam.
In John 8:44 we see an example of how Jesus phrased the relationship between the Pharisees and the devil. A careful reading of Genesis shows that Adam was there when the serpent spoke (see Gen 3:6 "... and gave also unto her husband, with her...) and that he remained silent (when he should have spoken up and declared the Word of the Lord). He had witnessed (see Gen 2:17) and had heard what God has said about eating the fruit of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Had he chosen to speak up and give his testimony about what God had said (in response to the question posed by the serpent, "Has God said...?) at that moment, while listening with his wife, the bone of his bones, the flesh of his flesh, things would have gone a different way. It was by the 1st Adam that sin entered the world.
This is why we need our Savior, for we too have the knowledge of Good and Evil, we too (by inheritance) share this (along with the Judgment of God for our actions) with our father and mother. Yet in the curse we find a promise. The first promise, given to the seed of the woman. (Gen 3:15)
Now we know that God sees time differently than we do. Psalms 90:4 shows us that long periods of time are seen as a day, or and even shorter period, the watch in the night (just some few hours). God is not slack concerning His promise. Zechariah (whose name means 'Yahweh Remembers'), a descendant of Aaron, saw this promise being carried out when the angel Gabriel spoke to him about his son, John (also known as the Baptist). Gabriel said that his son (the cousin of Jesus) would lead many to the Lord and would be a Prophet, announcing the coming of the Messiah. (See the Good News of Luke, chapter 1)
Today, the church is also seen as a woman. We are told of her by Jesus who likens the "sorrows" to birth pangs. For " “I have exalted one chosen from the people.” Psalm 89:19. (Psalm 89 linked here) We are shown in the Vision, given to John (the Beloved) some of what this means and now we are starting to see that truly God does show the end from the beginning.
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enlightened
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You fail to realize that Adam is the serpent, and he stood quietly by as Eve picked and ate the fruit because he wanted her to eat first. Is this love on Adam's part? i think not.
The rest of your post has nothing to do with who is more to blame in the original sin.
You are absolutely correct. I do fail to realize this. Utterly.
enlightened
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How then do you rationalize Eve speaking the untruth - Don't touch - in her testimony of what was the commandment (GEN3:2-3), when the LORD GOD never said this to Adam (GEN2:16-17)? Or have you never considered it?
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Deborah13
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it was a lie she was told prior, and she believe was the truth.
This may be the truth but then again....
Eve could have exaggerated what Adam did say to her. She may not even have intentionally done this.
Example with a young child.
Mom says, you cannot eat the candy bar that's on the counter.
The child puts their hands behind their back and walks away. What did they hear? Do not eat, do not touch.
I've seen this happen.
Danus
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**** enlightened.. this is a problem I need you to clarify please. You are saying that the serpent is actually Adam, not the devil, in the account of Eve being tempted in the garden of Eden? That correct?
Here is the text;
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
This is Adam talking to Eve by your account? that right?
enlightened
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Yes, that is what i believe, because Eve is not the first liar, the devil is (JN8:44); therefore, when she spoke the untruth - Don't touch, she was not lying even though it was not true, but it must be a lie she was told amd believed. It really can be no other way. Even further, notice how she never mentioned the name of the forbidden tree, and she referenced it as the only tree in the center of the Garden, when is fact there are two. Is it not most subtle to deceive one from the very beginning, when they have no way of knowing otherwise, and no reason to suspect you should lie? Then that was the serpent's (Adam's) subtlety by which Eve was deceived.
Can you prove otherwise, or rationalize Eve's speaking untruth, even though the devil told the first lie, some other way?
Notice that the question asked by the serpent was posed as a true or false question, even though it was impossible to answer it as such. This is because the Commandment given Adam was to freely eat from most but not all the trees. Certainy it was true that they could not eat from every tree since one was excluded; however, it is not true that all the trees were excluded. For this reason, Eve could not answer with a true or false, but instead, repeated what she was told verbatim. Boy was she deceived, and her testimony is the proof! How simple!
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enlightened
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Thank you, but that is not necessary since i have the greatest source of TRUTH ever written, the KJV, and trust no other source, as it is written (ECCL12:10-14; ROM3:4).
enlightened
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To knowingly change the truth into a lie, or pervert it as such, is called lying; therefore, if Eve exaggerated the truth by including the untruth 'don't touch', then she is the first liar, which contradicts JN8:44.
Therefore, her speaking that untruth is not the first time it was spoken. It was the lie she was first told was the truth.
Deborah13
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I think my inference was that she didn't do it intentionally. I guess I don't like to put the blame on Adam without knowing for sure. Grasping at straws maybe. We have spectulated a lot, me included.