Does Eve Deserve More Blame Than Adam?

[Sparkey]

Greetings enlightened,

I found a couple topical studies online that I hope will help your search. Keep knocking, keep asking and know that He hears and will answer.
Study one: BibleStudy.org
Study two: Naves Topical Study hosted on BibleStudyTools.com

I can locate more if you'd like.



Cordially,
Sparrowhawke

Thank you, but that is not necessary since i have the greatest source of TRUTH ever written, the KJV, and trust no other source, as it is written (ECCL12:10-14; ROM3:4).

They contain scripture references that you may use the KJV with.

• The first link is hosted on BibleStudy.org which has 37+ different bible translations, including the KJV, the KJV (1611) and the KJV with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance numbers. It also has 2 versions of the Bible in Spanish.
• The 2nd Link is to the online Nave's Topical Concordance which is a well known and trusted source, used to list Scripture references. It doesn't care what version is used. The link that I provided is English but there are other languages available if you would find that easier.

 

[Sparkey]

I think my inference was that she didn't do it intentionally. I guess I don't like to put the blame on Adam without knowing for sure. Grasping at straws maybe. We have spectulated a lot, me included.

It is not speculation to quote the Bible. Both transgressed the law. Adam was not deceived but his wife was. This is the clear meaning of 1 Tim 2:14.

Take a slow, careful and prayerful Look at Romans 5:5-6. Then a little further to Romans 5:12. Read it a couple times... Remember this part (when we were yet without strength... in due time... Christ...) and then...

... then look further to Romans 5:13. The Holy Spirit is making a point through the Apostle Paul's letter to the Romans. It is a message of hope. Paul is being very specific here. Paul is about to say "But..." in the next verse but continues first to conclude his thought about the Reign of Death: Romans 5:14. Now comes the "But..." Romans 5:15.

:nod That's the point. The Gift of God is not like the Trespass (that both Adam and Eve committed, and by which Death reigned). Look back at Romans 5:9. Romans 5:10, Romans 5:11. :yes

The Good News Message is simply this: It is no longer about blame. When we were at our weakest (yet without strength), and while we were in sin, Christ redeemed us. If, while we were enemies - if at that time, Christ redeemed us (He did, and yes, that's when it happened) THEN what about now? Now that we are reconciled? How much more so, how much better, will we be saved by His Life? We were redeemed by his death, now we are to rise and walk with Him in the newness of life. It's simply not about blame. Not any longer and not for those who believe on the Name of Jesus. This is the message of faith, hope and love. It is the message of eternal life that starts and never ends.

This isn't just the message of Paul. Look at 1 John 3:1,2,3. 1 John 5:1,3. 1 John 5:4 This is the same message. Worth reading in depth, of course. Look at what Peter said: 1 Peter 1:3,4,5,6,7 It is the messages that angles desire to peer into: 1 Peter 1:10,11,12 The Prophets were ministering not unto themselves. It was shown to them (even back then) that they were serving us, ministering to us.

It is what each witness, each Apostle heard from the mouth of Jesus: John 12:49 John 15:3-4 Matthew 10:32 From Jesus, who heard from the Mouth of God, and spoke true. Jesus revealed the Father. This is the message of hope, and no longer of blame. O Rejoice, ye children of Adam for you are redeemed and restored and now called sons of God (Luke 3:38). Celebrate the joy of this eternal truth, for this is God's plan seen in our lives.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Adam was not deceived but his wife was. This is the clear meaning of 1 Tim 2:14.

:amen

I totally agree.

Christian women, you can easily read that God has prepared an appropriate role for you to play. Stick to it. Paul clearly said so.

 

[childeye]

In our world of Christianity, and on these Christian forums, there is a wide spectrum of different "Christian" beliefs. There have been and still are lots of interesting discussions going on regarding Biblical interpretation and validity. The question I ask is the title of this thread:

Does Eve deserve more blame than Adam?

Paul the Apostle seems to think so:

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Timothy 2:11-14


The simple answer is obviously "Yes" or "No". Here are some possible answers:


Yes. The Bible says it. I believe it. That settles it.

Yes. I am a Christian who has never read the Bible. I'm just your typical male chauvinist pig.

No. They were equally tempted and equally wrong. If Eve could convince Adam, I'm sure the snake could too. Eve was just the first person the snake talked to. I disagree with Paul on this. Paul was only human after all.

No. I am a Christian who believes that Jesus died for my sins and rose from the dead. But, I do not accept 1 Timothy as part of my personal canon. There are arguments that suggest Paul wasn't even the author of 1 Timothy, and I lean toward those opinions.

No. From the story, they both look equal to me. But, who cares? It's only an ancient story that was passed down orally and probably evolved from earlier Mesopotamian mythologies. The men, and they were men, probably wrote down the final Genesis version we have today with Eve getting tricked first. Theirs was a male-dominated society, and they would just write down whatever they felt about women's inferiority. I am an atheist. Who in their right mind believes that there could possibly have been a talking snake anyway?

No. I am one of the few true Christians. I believe every single word of all 66 books of the Bible. The problem is that too many people take 1 Timothy out of context.


Of course, there are many more possible answers.

I posted this on another thread and thought it would be appropriate for your thread...you know more about the bible than what you give yourself credit for.

Then the man replied, “The woman You gave to be with me—she gave me [some fruit] from the tree, and I ate.”—Genesis 3:12

Adam and Eve did everything they could to avoid taking responsibility for their sin. Adam blamed his wife: “She gave me of the tree.” He even pointed an accusing finger at God, saying it was “the woman, whom You gave me.” Eve blamed the serpent saying: “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” God ignored their excuses and announced the judgment they would face as consequences for their disobedience.

One of the downfalls of mankind is that we refuse to take responsibility for our actions. We want to blame others for our problems: Our parents did not raise us well; our friends let us down; our pastor was not a good enough preacher; our children are rebellious; our employer is not sensitive enough; our spouse is not understanding; there is not enough time in the day . . . the excuses are plentiful!

Yet forgiveness and restoration cannot happen until we accept full responsibility for our actions.

An obvious sign that we have not genuinely repented is that we make excuses for our sinful behavior. Nowhere in Scripture does God excuse one person's sin because of someone else's actions.

If we make a habit of blaming others for our failures, we will not reach a point of honest repentance. God will hold us accountable for our own actions, not others 2 Cor 5:10. Strive always to acknowledge and take responsibility for your own sins. It will free you to receive God's forgiveness and to press on to spiritual maturity.

I can see, that you are big on taking personal responsibility for one's actions. Certainly we can see a blame being handed around in the scripture you provided. Nonetheless, I do not blame Adam or Eve or even the devil for that matter. The problem begins with vanity, and vanity is an inevitable circumstance in the creation which first is seen in scripture in Satan. Consequently there is reason to forgive. Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.
Romans 8:20

King James Version (KJV)

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

 

[enlightened]

Paul strongly disagrees with you, according to ROM 5. He puts all the blame on Adam, but never mentions the devil. How can this be, when it was the devil's deception of Eve which led to her sinning first?