Does God LOVE everybody

[Carry_Your_Name]

Wheat and the Tares.

Thats why we continue to share the gospel and trust in the Lord.

Only the Lord knows the heart.

I believe the Bible does tell us who is regenerate and who is not.

Currently listening to a sermon series on knowing the elect.

1 Thessalonians.

That's an immature black and white worldview. Yes, there're wheat and tares, but a tare can be born and raised in a traditional Christian family, a wheat can be born and raised in an atheist or pagan family, it won't be revealed till the harvest in Rev. 14. We don't get to assume who's wheat and who's tares, and we shouldn't judge anybody through that lens, leave that to God. I believe God has sons and daughters, but no grandsons and granddaughers, salvation is not inherited from parents.

 

[electedbyHim]

That's an immature black and white worldview. We don't get to assume who's regenerate and who's not, and we shouldn't judge anybody through that lens, leave that to God. Yes, there're wheat and tares, but a tare can be born and raised in a traditional Christian family, a wheat can be born and raised in an atheist or pagan family, I believe God has sons and daughters, but no grandsons and granddaughers, salvation is not inherited from parents.

Immature?

How so?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Immature?

How so?

Failing to discern good and evil.

 

[electedbyHim]

Failing to discern good and evil.

I do not follow.

Are you saying I cannot discer good and evil?

If so, how did you come to that conclusion from my reply?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I do not follow.

Are you saying I cannot discer good and evil?

If so, how did you come to that conclusion from my reply?

The bible does tell us about the wheat and tares, but it doesn't tell us which one of our neighbors, folks, friends etc is wheat and which one is tares, we're not in the position to presumptuously divide the whole population into "wheat" and "tares" before God's harvest and judge other people in that way. Haven't you read that the sun shines on both the good and the evil, and the rain faills on both the just and the unjust?

 

[electedbyHim]

The bible does tell us about the wheat and tares, but it doesn't tell you which one of your neighbors, your folks, your friends etc is wheat and which one is tares, we're not in the position to presumptuously divide the whole population into "wheat" and "tares" before God's harvest and judge other people in that way. Haven't you read that the sun shines on both the good and the evil, and the rain faills on both the just and the unjust?

Your replies are quite confusing to me.

I am not judging anyone as you are implying.

You will know them by their fruit.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Your replies are quite confusing to me.

I am not judging anyone as you are implying.

You will know them by their fruit.

If you subconsciously divide people into categories of "regenerate" and "unregenerate", you're judging.

 

[brightfame52]

1 Jn 3:1

If God Loved all men without exception, and His Love is the same for all, then according to 1 Jn 3:1

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

All men without exception should be called the Son's of God ! Now if that is True, why did Jesus say to these ethnic jews ? Jn 8:42


42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Also, if God is Father of anyone then they will Love Jesus Christ, Christ said that Himself !" If God were your Father, ye would love me: "

Now Paul wrote in 1 Cor 16:22

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Now consider this, if any man Love not Jesus, then that means according to Jn 8:42, that one has not God as their Father, and if they have not God as their Father, then how could they be loved of God the Father 1 Jn 3:1 ?

Now, see how that false teaching cannot stand the test of scripture ? 4

 

[electedbyHim]

If you subconsciously divide people into categories of "regenerate" and "unregenerate", you're judging.

We are to judge with righteous judgement.

Are there other people besides the regenerate and unregenerate?

No, there is not.

Did you not judge me as you said I am immature?

I do not see your point.

 

[JLB]

So there are no verses in the Bible that speak of God's hate?

If you know God, then you will know and understand that He is love, and there is no darkness in Him. When a person knows God they can’t help but to love Him.

The other part of knowing God is to fear Him

Does God hate?

Answer: Yes of course… God hates.

These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19


Here is a principle that a person must understand in order to rightly divide the word of truth…


Solomon says it this way:

It is good that you grasp one thing and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears God comes forth with both of them. Ecclesiastes 7:18


Here is an example from Proverbs -


Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him. Proverbs 26:4

Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Proverbs 26:5


Which one of these verses is true?


This is what you are asking me, when you ask me… does God hate?






JLB

 

[tdidymas]

If you know God, then you will know and understand that He is love, and there is no darkness in Him. When a person knows God they can’t help but to love Him.

The other part of knowing God is to fear Him

Does God hate?

Answer: Yes of course… God hates.

These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19


Here is a principle that a person must understand in order to rightly divide the word of truth…


Solomon says it this way:

It is good that you grasp one thing and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears God comes forth with both of them. Ecclesiastes 7:18


Here is an example from Proverbs -


Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him. Proverbs 26:4

Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Proverbs 26:5


Which one of these verses is true?


This is what you are asking me, when you ask me… does God hate?






JLB

It's interesting how I quoted Prov.6:19 to you before, explaining how it refers to people, but you evaded it. Here it is again:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.

A "look" belongs to a person
A "tongue" belongs to a person
"Hands" belong to a person
A "heart" belongs to a person
"Feet" belong to a person
A "false witness" is a person
"one who" is a person

So then, since you quoted this passage, do you agree that there are some people God hates?

 

[electedbyHim]

If you know God, then you will know and understand that He is love, and there is no darkness in Him. When a person knows God they can’t help but to love Him.

The other part of knowing God is to fear Him

Does God hate?

Answer: Yes of course… God hates.

These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19


Here is a principle that a person must understand in order to rightly divide the word of truth…


Solomon says it this way:

It is good that you grasp one thing and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears God comes forth with both of them. Ecclesiastes 7:18


Here is an example from Proverbs -


Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him. Proverbs 26:4

Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Proverbs 26:5


Which one of these verses is true?


This is what you are asking me, when you ask me… does God hate?






JLB

Seems you are on the fence over the issue.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

We are to judge with righteous judgement.

Are there other people besides the regenerate and unregenerate?

No, there is not.

Did you not judge me as you said I am immature?

I do not see your point.

As long as you don't know for sure who's regenerate and who's unregenerate, you don't have a point either with this dichotomy. It's immature because it's no different from the "us vs them" tribalism.

 

[brightfame52]

If God Loved all men without exception, then is God their Father according to 1 Jn 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The US here must be all men without exception for those who believe God Loved all men without exception, then all men without exception are the Sons of God and have God as their Father !

Now Jesus said to some jews this Jn 8:42a

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:

So from this very statement of Jesus, If God is the Father of a person that person would love Christ, but Paul writes a statement about some who do not Love Christ 1 Cor 16:22

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

So how can this be if God Loved all men without exception ? Because if He did, then God is there Father, and if that is so, they will Love Jesus Christ as Jesus said to the jews Jn 8:42a. 4

 

[tdidymas]

If God Loved all men without exception, then is God their Father according to 1 Jn 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The US here must be all men without exception for those who believe God Loved all men without exception, then all men without exception are the Sons of God and have God as their Father !

Now Jesus said to some jews this Jn 8:42a

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:

So from this very statement of Jesus, If God is the Father of a person that person would love Christ, but Paul writes a statement about some who do not Love Christ 1 Cor 16:22

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

So how can this be if God Loved all men without exception ? Because if He did, then God is there Father, and if that is so, they will Love Jesus Christ as Jesus said to the jews Jn 8:42a. 4

True, however I'd like to point out something I said to another: that we can love and hate someone at the same time, and so can God. So in some sense, God loves all, since He also said he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. We can surmise that God did not take pleasure even in the death of Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, or any other evil person who ever lived. If God endures with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, does He not love to some minimal extent those people He has patience toward? Yet He can also hate them at the same time, since He prepares them for destruction, can He not?

Nevertheless, this is a debatable subject, because both love and hate are expressed in degrees, and even the Bible describes them so. It may not be as easy as assuming it's one or the other. It's likely both/and. Jesus commanded us to love our enemies; so then, we naturally hate those who are hostile not only to ourselves, but also to God and His ways, because the righteousness embedded in us hates sin and the ways of the wicked. But we must treat them not as enemies, but instead with respect, honor, and kindness, and much patience as God does.

 

[electedbyHim]

As long as you don't know for sure who's regenerate and who's unregenerate, you don't have a point either with this dichotomy. It's immature because it's no different from the "us vs them" tribalism.

Tell the Pastor (John Macarthur) of 50 years preaching the sermon, "how to tell who is elect", that he is immature.

I will listen to his Godly wisdom over others on the internet.

 

[brightfame52]

tdidymas

True, however I'd like to point out something I said to another: that we can love and hate someone at the same time, and so can God.

False, no God cant do that.

God loves all, since He also said he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

Thats out of context, death there is political, national death applicable to the nation of israel, doesnt have anything to do spiritual death, in fact the majority of that nation was spiritually dead.

 

[JLB]

A "look" belongs to a person

Yes indeed. A look belongs to a person.

Is the look a person?

 

[JLB]

Seems you are on the fence over the issue.

No at all.

AI simply know that the quote from Jesus … for God so loved the world is true.

 

[GodsGrace]

Only if you don't understand predestination. You think God predestines the end (people's salvation) without also predestining the means by which He accomplishes it.

Who said I think God predestinates the ends without the means?
Did I say that?

This is what I said/say, and know to be what Calvinism teaches:
GOD PREDESTINATES EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO MAN.

Please see Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraphs 2 and 3....
John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion

Whether one falls among robbers or is struck down by the fall of a house....
All events whatsoever are governed by the secret counsel of God....
They are directed by the immediate hand of God.....
Nothing happens without His counsel.
In Romans, Paul states that all things work together for GOOD....
Divine revelation at the time of Jesus...
The ultimate and last revelation...
without use of poetry or other types of writings that were used by the Jews thousands of years ago.
Simple teachings from Jesus...
God Himself.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The word "through" means "by means of."
God predestines that all His elect are born into this world among other sinners, and experience all the depravity and corruption that sin produces. Then at His timing, each one is called through the gospel.

No Whatever.
God, if He elected, those He chooses to elect do not need the gospel, which is for ALL men.
God gives to each person enough grace to be ABLE to seek God and choose God for himself.
The gospel is for EVERYONE.....

Acts 17:30
The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now He commands all people everywhere to repent,
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
And Jesus preached. (Jesus preached to ALL in Israel)
Matthew 4:17
Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
As to 2 Thess 2:13,,,let's look at what it says: (from your version)
But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
God did something from the beginning.
What?
God chose us for salvation THROUGH SANCTIFICATION and belief in the truth.
This He did through the gospel, which is for everyone.
Romans tells us to BELIEVE and we will be saved.
Romans 1:16
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

The Holy Spirit makes them capable of accepting it, they believe and they are saved. Then the NT tells us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. And then to:

Depends what you mean by THE HOLY SPIRIT MAKING THEM CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING.
Sounds a bit like we have no free will.
The Holy Spirit doesn't MAKE US do anything.
God gives a measure of grace to everyone....it rains on the saved and unsaved...
While we were still sinners,,,God saved us...

Jesus knocks at the door
Rev 3:20

He waits for us to open the door and let Him in to sup with us.

Jesus does not break down the door, which is what Calvinism teaches.
No free will...so God must do it all.

Man has free will and uses that free will to accept God or deny God.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we endure, we will also reign with Him...
If we DENY HIM, He also will deny us.

Who is doing the denying?

2 Peter 1:5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

HOW do we add anything if it's God that determines everything as you've stated above? (predestinating the means).

This makes perfect sense to those who aren't pre-hardened against it.

I'm not prehardened against anything.
If the NT is read simply.....a person will see that
he is a sinner
salvation is necessary
he can choose to be saved
God will help with the Holy Spirit.