Does God LOVE everybody

[GodsGrace]

The "perhaps" is from our point of view.
2 Timothy 2:24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth . . .

Paul is telling Timothy to not quarrel with people and to humbly correct them. Perhaps God will grant them repentance.
Notice that God has to grant (give) them repentance. Paul know that not everybody will repent, perhaps this one will (if God grants it.)

I was not referring to the word PERHAPS.
I was referring to the word GRANT.

"IF GOD PERHAPS WILL GRANT THEM REPENTANCE".

Grant means to offer to do something.
A person requests a day off....
he is GRANTED a day off.

Just as he might NOT have been granted a day off.

God does not HAVE TO grant anything.....
He does ALLOW....

This denotes free will.
Free will is throughout the NT.

GRANT
to give or allow someone something, usually in an official way:
[ + two objects ] They granted her an entry visa.
He was granted asylum.
formal She granted their request/wish.

source: Cambridge Dictinary

 

[GodsGrace]

We are to judge with righteous judgement.

Are there other people besides the regenerate and unregenerate?

No, there is not.

Did you not judge me as you said I am immature?

I do not see your point.

Judging whether or not you are immature
is not the same
as judging whether or not you're regenerate (saved).

We can judge a person's action...(their fruit)....
but
we certainly cannot judge whether or not a person is saved...
Only God knows the heart.

 

[JLB]

Tell the Pastor (John Macarthur) of 50 years preaching the sermon, "how to tell who is elect", that he is immature.

I will listen to his Godly wisdom over others on the internet.

John MacAurther follows the teachings of Calvinism; John Calvin


That automatically qualifies him as being immature according to scripture.


And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal? 1 Corinthians 3:1-4

 

[electedbyHim]

Judging whether or not you are immature
is not the same
as judging whether or not you're regenerate (saved).

We can judge a person's action...(their fruit)....
but
we certainly cannot judge whether or not a person is saved...
Only God knows the heart.

I understand this, only God knows a persons heart.

I find it amusing that someone refers to me as immature over the internet.

 

[electedbyHim]

John MacAurther follows the teachings of Calvinism; John Calvin


That automatically qualifies him as being immature according to scripture.


And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal? 1 Corinthians 3:1-4

If you say so.

It is obvious you no nothing about Macarthur, the mans preaching is nothing but Christ centered and beings glory to God.

I do not want to derail this thread, so I will ask you to start a thread on the Doctrines of Grace (TULIP) and prove the 5 points are not Biblical.

 

[JLB]

If you say so.

It is obvious you no nothing about Macarthur, the mans preaching is nothing but Christ centered and beings glory to God.

I do not want to derail this thread, so I will ask you to start a thread on the Doctrines of Grace (TULIP) and prove the 5 points are not Biblical.

Please show the scripture that teaches that mankind is totally depraved.

 

[JLB]

If you say so.

It is obvious you no nothing about Macarthur, the mans preaching is nothing but Christ centered and beings glory to God.

I do not want to derail this thread, so I will ask you to start a thread on the Doctrines of Grace (TULIP) and prove the 5 points are not Biblical.

Here’s what I know.


God loves the people of the world.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:16-17


God desires the people of the world to be saved.

 

[tdidymas]

Yes indeed. A look belongs to a person.

Is the look a person?

Why do you keep evading the obvious?? You KNOW that what I'm saying is right, otherwise you wouldn't be evading it!
The "who" is a person, and the "witness" is a person! Why do you keep on evading it as if you still disagree? Do you agree or do you disagree?

 

[electedbyHim]

Please show the scripture that teaches that mankind is totally depraved.

Here you go

https://christianforums.net/threads/total-depravity.111115/

 

[tdidymas]

tdidymas



False, no God cant do that.



Thats out of context, death there is political, national death applicable to the nation of israel, doesnt have anything to do spiritual death, in fact the majority of that nation was spiritually dead.

1. Why do you think God CAN'T love and hate someone at the same time?
2. You need to explain exegetically how "does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked" does NOT have a spiritual application, as well as why you think it means "national death" as opposed to the death of an individual.

 

[brightfame52]

Jn 3:16 The distinguishing Love of God for the Elect !

Those who have corrupted the word of God, take a scripture like Jn 3:16 and force it to say or mean that God Loves all men without exception, even though that's not what it says or means. The Truth of scripture however states and demonstrates that His Love is distinguishing and its only to His Elect ! Deut 7:6-8

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Christ, who is God, is said to Love the Church [World] Eph 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church[The Elect], and gave himself for it;

These are certainly not everyone in the world without exception. The Church are the Chosen of Eph 1:4, which are the Chosen of Deut 7:6-8. Remember God told His Chosen there that they were His Chosen Possession Deut 7:6 " the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself"

Now the word special is the hebrew word cĕgullah and means:

) possession, property

a) valued property, peculiar treasure

b) treasure


Now the same things are said in Eph 1:4 [Chosen] and Eph 1:18

18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The word inheritance is the greek word klēronomia:

an inheritance, property received (or to be received) by inheritance

2) what is given to one as a possession

a) the eternal blessedness of the consummated kingdom of God which is to be expected after the visible return of Christ

b) the share which an individual will have in that eternal blessedness


So this being God's Chosen inheritance in Deut 7:6-7 was because of them being designated by the Father, when He chose us in Christ. 4

 

[brightfame52]

1. Why do you think God CAN'T love and hate someone at the same time?
2. You need to explain exegetically how "does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked" does NOT have a spiritual application, as well as why you think it means "national death" as opposed to the death of an individual.

I dont have to explain anything you havent proven in the firstplace. And the Ezek passage is to national israel as stated, why dont you study before you post something Ezk 33 11

10Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?

11Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Just dont take sound bites and just force your opinion upon them.

 

[JLB]

Why do you keep evading the obvious?? You KNOW that what I'm saying is right, otherwise you wouldn't be evading it!
The "who" is a person, and the "witness" is a person! Why do you keep on evading it as if you still disagree? Do you agree or do you disagree?

You mean to tell me you don’t understand that hating the actions of a person while loving the person themself is two different things?

 

[hawkman]

Is there a bible verse in this quote and what translation version is it ?

brightfame52

Christ, who is God, is said to Love the Church [World] Eph 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church[The Elect], and gave himself for it;

 

[tdidymas]

I dont have to explain anything you havent proven in the firstplace. And the Ezek passage is to national israel as stated, why dont you study before you post something Ezk 33 11

10Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?

11Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Just dont take sound bites and just force your opinion upon them.

Why do you think that a nation can turn from its evil ways unless individuals therein do it? Why do you think God takes no pleasure in the death of a nation but not for the individuals who make it up? Can you please explain? I just don't get your point.

 

[tdidymas]

You mean to tell me you don’t understand that hating the actions of a person while loving the person themself is two different things?

"the one who..." is a person, and "a witness" is a person. Why are you still evading the issue?

 

[JLB]

"the one who..." is a person, and "a witness" is a person. Why are you still evading the issue?

The Lord hating our actions that are not righteous but still loving us is what the New Testament teaches.

A proud look is something a person does; it’s that person’s action.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Tell the Pastor (John Macarthur) of 50 years preaching the sermon, "how to tell who is elect", that he is immature.

I will listen to his Godly wisdom over others on the internet.

You'll be surprised at the judgment day when the Lord separates the goats from the sheep. Those who thought they'd done everything for the Lord end up as goats, those who had no recollection of what they'd done for the Lord end up as sheep.

 

[electedbyHim]

You'll be surprised at the judgment day when the Lord separates the goats from the sheep. Those who thought they'd done everything for the Lord end up as goats, those who had no recollection of what they'd done for the Lord end up as sheep.

Only the Lord knows.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Only the Lord knows.

Then stop assuming who's "elect" and who's not.