Does God LOVE everybody

[brightfame52]

You were unsaved at one time. Aren't you glad God loved you and included you in His plan of salvation for the world?

• Christ died for the ungodly.
• But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:6-8

How can anyone read these scripture and think God sent His Son to die for people that are supposedly already saved? The elect?

Could you provide a verse where Jesus or His Apostles taught us that God hates the unsaved.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:16-17

Whats the difference ?

 

[electedbyHim]

The ungodly sinners are the elect?

Sinners are those who are ungodly and are separated from Christ? Hebrews 7:26

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:6-8

Nevermind.

You do not get it.

 

[JLB]

Not if you mean for every single ungodly sinner who has ever lived or ever will live.

John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.
John 10:26 . . . you are not of My sheep, . . .
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil . . .

I do not believe that Jesus died for the ungodly goats or tares.
Elect ungodly sinners were given to Jesus by the Father (John 17:6) and Jesus came and laid His life down for them.

Ok.

Could you show the scripture that teaches us the difference between ungodly sinners and elect ungodly sinners?

Here is what Paul taught us about the elect -


Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10

• I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation

Paul said he endured all things, all kinds of suffering for the sake of the elect, that THEY ALSO may obtain salvation.

Who else besides the elect has salvation?

 

[JLB]

Whats the difference ?

Here was my question -

• Could you provide a verse where Jesus or His Apostles taught us that God hates the unsaved?

You were unsaved at one time. Aren't you glad God loved you and included you in His plan of salvation for the world?

• Christ died for the ungodly.
• But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:6-8

How can anyone read these scripture and think God sent His Son to die for people that are supposedly already saved? The elect?

Could you provide a verse where Jesus or His Apostles taught us that God hates the unsaved.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
John 3:16-17

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Could you provide a verse where Jesus or His Apostles taught us that God hates the unsaved?

God hates Esau and loves Jacob (Rom. 9:13), and God abandons idol worshippers to uncleanness (Rom. 1:24) .

 

[brightfame52]

So some sinners are born under the Love of God and some sinners are born under God's hate. Its brought forth clearly also in Rom 9:11-14

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Jacob as all the Elect of God are born sinners under the Love of God, and Esau as all the reprobate, the non elect, are born under the hate of God.

Many will say because of this that God is unrighteous ! 8

 

[Whatever]

Could you show the scripture that teaches us the difference between ungodly sinners and elect ungodly sinners?

You won't accept one and just ask for another Scripture that teaches X, Y and Z as if the Scriptures were written as an exhaustive encyclopedia.

Non-elect ungodly sinners:
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,,

Elect ungodly sinners:
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,

 

[Whatever]

John 10:26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

This is plain and simple. I think most just let it go in one ear and out the other.
Let's put it into a logical formula.
(Y) = You or the subject being talked about
(B) = Believe
(H) = hear my voice
(F) = follows
(MS) = My sheep

Y does not do B because Y is not a MS or more simply
Y not B because Y not MS
MS does do H, B and F because he is a MS

 

[brightfame52]

Whatever

Non-elect ungodly sinners:
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,,

Elect ungodly sinners:
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,

True Dat, I agree

 

[Whatever]

Just saw something else.
Matthew 15:12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?" 13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.

plant = Strongs - 5451. phuteia. Meaning: a plant, that which is planted

Where does Jesus talk about sowing plants?

Mathew 13:37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

You have "good seed" which is wheat (Matt 13:27) and tares.

The parable of the weeds.
Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' 28 He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' 29 But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.

So, by simply inference (the action or process of drawing a conclusion from known or assumed facts or statements), what possible "plants" could Jesus be talking about in Matt. 15:13 that God has not planted?
Could it possibly be the "tares" that were sowed or planted by the devil?

 

[JLB]

God hates Esau and loves Jacob

Do you understand the context in which Paul wrote this?

To put it another way… Do you hate your family?

Also, consider the consequences of hating.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

 

[JLB]

Non-elect ungodly sinners:
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,,

Elect ungodly sinners:
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,

What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, Romans 9:22-23


No such phrase as non-elect sinners or elect godly sinners is found in these verses or anywhere else in scripture.

 

[JLB]

Could it possibly be the "tares" that were sowed or planted by the devil?

I believe what the scripture says about these things.


But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” Matthew 13:29-30


The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. Matthew 13:39-40

 

[JLB]

Could it possibly be the "tares" that were sowed or planted by the devil?

I will agree the tare’s are children of the devil, and are not “legitimate” human beings, such as the Nephilim were in the days of Noah.

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:37

Remember the uprooting of the tares will be at the end of the age at the time of the harvest.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Do you understand the context in which Paul wrote this?

To put it another way… Do you hate your family?

Also, consider the consequences of hating.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

You asked a question about "hate", I gave you a legitimate answer. I understand "hate" is a strong word. You've got a problem with that, go pick up another translation.

 

[brightfame52]

Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ

The definite article before Love ,lets us know that Paul is emphasizing the One and Only Love of the One and Only God, and its only in Christ Jesus our Lord !

What does that mean therefore ? How about Jn 3:16 ? If the World of Jn 3:16 were not already a Chosen World in Christ Jesus, a World Chosen in Him before the Foundation Eph 1:4, then it would be a World that God did not so Love, for God cannot Love and does not Love anyone outside of Christ, already covered with His Righteousness and Washed in His Blood, for His Love can only be in Christ Jesus Our Lord !

Those born outside of the pale of Election in Christ, are not Loved but hated by God !9

 

[Whatever]

I will agree the tare’s are children of the devil, and are not “legitimate” human beings

What do you mean by that? What do you think the tares are? I think they are just regular people.

 

[Whatever]

I believe what the scripture says about these things.

So do I, what what do you think it means?

 

[Whatever]

No such phrase as non-elect sinners or elect godly sinners is found in these verses or anywhere else in scripture.

No, but the concept is there.
If you don't believe things that are not directly said in Scripture, then you must reject the Trinity and the Deity of Christ (I just searched those exact words in the King James, New King James and the English Standard version).

 

[Whatever]

Also, consider the consequences of hating
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

So I guess no Christian has eternal life abiding in him.