DOES GOD LOVE EVERYONE?

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God is speaking to a people already in Covenant.

Yes, but which covenant?
The two women are two covents.

Adam and Eve had a covenant and broke it.
How many covenants were there? I am not into covenant theology enough to list them all.

Can you list them?

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[Alfred Persson]

Or is His love particular to one group of people?
And ONLY that group of people.

1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":
7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-- indignation and wrath,
9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. (Rom. 2:1-16 NKJ)

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,
9 "and do not think to say to yourselves,`We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
10 "And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matt. 3:7-10 NKJ)

God loves all, but only the children of God will endure forever:

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:26-29 NKJ)

 

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God’s love can be contrasted to Solomon’s love for his foreign wives. Solomon allowed his love for his wives to cause problems. God knows what is correct, and he winked in the days of ignorance, but now he does not.

Agape love is both rod and staff. Draw us near and rebuke. Brotherly love is is not strong enough (we do not forget brotherly love), but we look toward Agape love.

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I don't think anyone can equate God's love and human love.
One is from above, the other from below.

 

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Yes, but which covenant?
The two women are two covents.

Abrahamic Covenant.

Adam and Eve had a covenant and broke it.
How many covenants were there? I am not into covenant theology enough to list them all.

Can you list them?

eddif

Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic.
Hagaran, if God makes promise to someone it is Covenant.

 

[jeremiah1five]

1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":
7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-- indignation and wrath,
9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. (Rom. 2:1-16 NKJ)

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,
9 "and do not think to say to yourselves,`We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
10 "And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matt. 3:7-10 NKJ)

God loves all, but only the children of God will endure forever:

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:26-29 NKJ)

Take those words in context to his subject or audience.
God is speaking to a people already in Covenant and the subject of His love.

And there is partiality with God.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel [the person] and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain [the person] and to his offering he had not respect. Gen. 4:4–5.

 

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I don't think anyone can equate God's love and human love.
One is from above, the other from below.

try this:
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth
As it is in heaven
How?
He works in us:
To will and to do
Of his good pleasure.

We can not do it in our strength, but he can give us a new heart and mind. At that point he gets all the praise if we do anything above our fallen nature.
I can supply scriptures if your search gets difficult.

Mississippi redneck
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[jeremiah1five]

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try this:
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth
As it is in heaven
How?
He works in us:
To will and to do
Of his good pleasure.

We can not do it in our strength, but he can give us a new heart and mind. At that point he gets all the praise if we do anything above our fallen nature.
I can supply scriptures if your search gets difficult.

Mississippi redneck
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The LORD’S prayer is a “Jewish” prayer for the “Jews” for the “Time of Jacobs Trouble” which we Gentiles call the Great Tribulation which the Church will go through with Israel.

 

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Abrahamic Covenant.

Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic.
Hagaran, if God makes promise to someone it is Covenant.

There are groups that have 5 covenants.
There are groups that have 7 covenants.

Other groups take some of the five and show part A and B
The Hebrew word for Covenant has alternate English translations words that are used in scripture.

if we imitate covenants made in heaven (and they agree with those made in heaven) can we talk about them. Can we talk a bout bad covenants that were made on Earth?

It gets complicated.

Where the spirit of God is there is liberty.

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The LORD’S prayer is a “Jewish” prayer for the “Jews” for the “Time of Jacobs Trouble” which we Gentiles call the Great Tribulation which the Church will go through with Israel.

On the day of Pentecost did not some heavenly gifts be manifested?
On the day of Pentecost did not Jews return from the nations with some converted people?

It appears to me that if it was a zjewish transitional prayer (it Worked) and moved the kingdom to earth. Even set up the ability of
The Great Tribulation to occur. Without the power of Pentecost I find it difficult to understand what the disciples suffered.

Mississippi redneck
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God sends rain to the just and unjust alike.
That shows his love for all men. The goodness of God should draw to Repentance, and continue on to Salvation

Then, what can a red e redneck see
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[jeremiah1five]

There are groups that have 5 covenants.
There are groups that have 7 covenants.

Other groups take some of the five and show part A and B
The Hebrew word for Covenant has alternate English translations words that are used in scripture.

if we imitate covenants made in heaven (and they agree with those made in heaven) can we talk about them. Can we talk a bout bad covenants that were made on Earth?

It gets complicated.

Where the spirit of God is there is liberty.

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A covenant is any promise God has made.
And He has made many, many promises.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God sends rain to the just and unjust alike.
That shows his love for all men. The goodness of God should draw to Repentance, and continue on to Salvation

Then, what can a red e redneck see
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The context of ALL Scripture has Israel as its subject.
Especially Matthew for it quotes most Old Testament Scripture than the other three gospels.
The context of God sending rain on the just and unjust has the twelve tribes of Israel as Jesus' subject.
Being that the command to love is originally given in Leviticus 19:17-19 is a command for Israel to love their Abrahamic Covenant brethren ONLY. Israel is never commanded by God to love the non-covenant, and Jesus upheld this command in Matthew 5 in which He is instructing the twelve tribes to love each other given their northern/southern kingdom animosity that had existed through the centuries after their return from exile.
Jesus speaks of the covenant just in Israel and the covenant unjust in Israel.
The command remains that Covenant brethren are commanded to love Covenant brethren ONLY.
God never commands His people, including Christians of the New Testament Church to love the unsaved. Our command is as the original command to Covenant Israel to love only Covenant Israel, and Covenant Church to love Covenant Church ONLY.

 

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Alfred Persson
This is not some coded negative response.

Touch screens are wonderful and dangerous at the same time. Pure unintentional accident.
sorry about that.

Ok
The Romans 2 comment.
I wonder how much difference in understanding is between us? IMHO it means that person is practicing that sin himself.

I will try a short version of what I get out of it, and we can go slowly to try and un-wind it.

Romans 1 IMHO says god shows hi wrath against sin.

Romans 2 IMHO says a person should not make a judgement (excusing sin of people God has already condemned). If a person does give a judgement (excusing sin) then that person is practicing those sins in his life.

Now I know that is not what most people say about the passage. The passage is usually:
Get off my back God says not to judge.

God has already Judged. It means nothing to a person quoting scripture. They did not write the scripture (they/we) just quote the scripture. We do not own the scripture because we quote it. All have sinned - even the quoters .

You are allowed to have your opinion for discussion.

Mississippi redneck
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The context of ALL Scripture has Israel as its subject.

Genesis 25:6
6. But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

He also had a promise fi those gentile sons.

Abraham was father to some gentiles too.

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[eddif]

The context of ALL Scripture has Israel as its subject.
Especially Matthew for it quotes most Old Testament Scripture than the other three gospels.
The context of God sending rain on the just and unjust has the twelve tribes of Israel as Jesus' subject.
Being that the command to love is originally given in Leviticus 19:17-19 is a command for Israel to love their Abrahamic Covenant brethren ONLY. Israel is never commanded by God to love the non-covenant, and Jesus upheld this command in Matthew 5 in which He is instructing the twelve tribes to love each other given their northern/southern kingdom animosity that had existed through the centuries after their return from exile.
Jesus speaks of the covenant just in Israel and the covenant unjust in Israel.
The command remains that Covenant brethren are commanded to love Covenant brethren ONLY.
God never commands His people, including Christians of the New Testament Church to love the unsaved. Our command is as the original command to Covenant Israel to love only Covenant Israel, and Covenant Church to love Covenant Church ONLY.

Do not let context of Jew and gentile separate us all. Abraham was the father of Jew and Gentile faith before circumcision, that he might be the father of us all.

The Jews at Pentecost received visions and dreams.
Peter and Cornelius had divine revelation that led to the gentile inclusion. The Gospel went to the gentiles through the Jew, Peter.

The Circumcision party realized the gentiles received the Holy Spirit just like they did.

We can go slower.

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The context of God sending rain on the just and unjust has the twelve tribes of Israel as Jesus' subject.

Zechariah 14:16 kjv
16. And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

It really takes a study of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel Zachariah to see what happened in the 400 years of silence. Those in Ezekiel were dispersed for their protection and not for punishment. I may can help open the subject.

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[jeremiah1five]

Genesis 25:6
6. But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

He also had a promise fi those gentile sons.

Abraham was father to some gentiles too.

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Abraham is father to the Hebrew race.
Moses is father to the Hebrew nation.
Any children of Abraham he had with non-Hebrew women were half Hebrew and half Gentile.

 

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Abraham is father to the Hebrew race.
Moses is father to the Hebrew nation.
Any children of Abraham he had with non-Hebrew women were half Hebrew and half Gentile.

With my conversion that is what I think I am. A wild branch grafted into the root/vine.

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[eddif]

Abraham is father to the Hebrew race.
Moses is father to the Hebrew nation.
Any children of Abraham he had with non-Hebrew women were half Hebrew and half Gentile.

Romans 4:16 kjv
16. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17. (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


Ephesians 2:15 kjv
15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments containedin ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17. And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

The gentiles were far off, but are now close.

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[Alfred Persson]

Take those words in context to his subject or audience.
God is speaking to a people already in Covenant and the subject of His love.

And there is partiality with God.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel [the person] and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain [the person] and to his offering he had not respect. Gen. 4:4–5.

Context proves you wrong. First, "respect" is a poor translation, "regard" is better:

08159 שָׁעָה sha`ah {shaw-aw'}
Meaning: 1) to look at or to, regard, gaze at or about 1a) (Qal) to gaze at, regard, behold, look about 1b) (Hiphil) to look away, cause gaze to turn away 1c) (Hithpael) to look in dismay, gaze about (in anxiety)

God "looked" at the hearts of Cain and Abel, and something was "not right" with Cain's heart:

I know, my God, that You test the heart and that You are pleased with what is right. I have willingly given all these things with an upright heart, and now I have seen Your people who are present here giving joyfully and willingly to You. (1 Chr. 29:17 CSB)

Context reveals Cain went on a killing spree after this. From the principle of "Scripture interprets scripture" we can deduce Cain's heart did not love God:

If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? (1 Jn. 4:20 NKJ)

Now, reading God's warning to Cain reveals why God didn't regard his sacrifice. No love there, only hate ready to explode.

Cain was just paying his dues, hoping to keep God off his back. That is implied by the description of the sacrifices:

Notice the difference in the offering, Cain offered "some of the lands' produce" = nothing special, or even valuable. Abel the "firstborn" and "their fat portions" which are considered the best, valuable.

3 In the course of time Cain presented some of the land's produce as an offering to the LORD.
4 And Abel also presented an offering-- some of the firstborn of his flock and their fat portions. The LORD had regard (08159 שָׁעָה sha`ah) for Abel and his offering,
5 but He did not have regard (08159 שָׁעָה sha`ah) for Cain and his offering. Cain was furious, and he looked despondent.
6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you furious? And why do you look despondent?
7 If you do what is right, won't you be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it."
8 Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.(Gen. 4:3-8 CSB)


Scripture is always 100% correct, never contradicting itself. If you believe it contradicts, there is a fallacy in your thinking:

This is true:
For there is no partiality with God. (Rom. 2:11 NKJ)

What you taught is not true:

My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. (Jas. 3:1 NKJ)