Then you’re a spiritual orphan and not a disciple???
Jn 19:26:28 refers to all disciples and Jesus said I will not leave you orphans anyone who has no mother is an orphan
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Bible Study Does James 2 Teach Works for Salvation?
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Jn 19:26:28 refers to all disciples and Jesus said I will not leave you orphans anyone who has no mother is an orphan
Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!
Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!
Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!
A new song!
Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!
Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!
It is really God who greeting Mary with the “Hail Mary”!
Lk 1:26 & Lk 1:45
Blessed art thou among all women! Lk 1:28 & Lk 1:45 & Lk 1:48
All generations shall call me blessed! Lk 1:48
A new song of thanksgiving for bringing our salvation!
And thanksgiving for the incarnation of Jesus Christ! The word was made flesh and dwelt among us thanks to Mary’s yes consenting to our salvation!
Get your rosary out.
I remember as a child being an alter boy and praying the rosary with my mom and sisters many times. I always thought is was strange back then to pray to that woman.
When the Lord saved me, He opened my eyes to His truth and the heresy of the Catholic church.
Come out from her.
Jethro Bodine
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Romans 15:15-16 BSB
15However, I have written you a bold reminder on some points, because of the grace God has given me 16to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
How is Mary elevated to Godhood? Where does scripture say Mary is God?
No Mary is a creature and not God and only God may be lawfully worshipped
Bible proves that Mary is not a Goddess?
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women. Lk 1:28
How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!
How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!
How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!
Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
How can a goddess be the mother of God?
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
How could a goddess be faithful?
Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
How could a goddess be humble?
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?
Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?
Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!
Mother of Divine Grace!
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!
We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!
Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!
Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
All graces come from the merits of Christ, from His passion and death and come thru Mary to the glory of Her only begotten Son!
Why would there be a need for any priest, when we have Jesus when it comes to our intercession?
As the "priesthood" perished with the rest of the Law at the cross of Christ, why would anyone want to reestablish priesthood?
It is written..."Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Col 2:8)
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Col 2:14)
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh." (Col 2:16-23)
Are you really walking a path that seems to refute Paul's teachings?
I hope not.
I am not an idolator, so your words lifting Mary to some ideal are wasted on me.
I quit being an idolator when I quit being a catholic.
Thanks be to God for allowing me to serve one Lord.
We don’t pray to Her, we pray to God thru her intercession!
Anyone in Christ in the communion of saints can pray and intercede for us!
If you are accusing the church of teaching heresy then you are accusing Christ of teaching heresy!
Lk 10:16 acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 eph 5:32
Christ and his church are one!
Good one!
Also acts 1:17-22
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Does vs 22 required for all apostles / bishops / successors or just Mathias?
Yes you right the mosaic covenant priesthood!
It was according to Arron and Levi and the ceremonial law and the sabbath were abrogated with the coming of Christ for they pointed to christ
The eternal moral law is still in effect and the jurisdictional law passed to the apostles!
But Christ is both eternal priest heb 7:17 and high priest heb 8:1 according to the order of “melchisedec” and is a new covenant priesthood!
New covenant priesthood is required by Christ (low priests) to teach and sanctify all men! Matt 28:19
OK.
I am glad you now see that a priesthood is no longer necessary or of God.
The "moral laws" didn't need to be "passed down", as they are written on the hearts of all of us. (Rom 2:14-16)
OK, and the only "priest" we ever need.
Like most of the catholic's emphasis, your new covenant priesthood is just more usurping the things of God.
They is just recycling the things that have been done away with, for their own profit.
Just Matthias.
Verse 22..."...must one be ordained"....
I think it's time to get this discussion back on topic. The topic is NOT Mary. It is the question what James 2 teaches and Mary is not even mentioned in James 2.
Also, let's back off with the accusations about each other's faith. This is a clear violation of TOS 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5. Please take the time to review the TOS, particularly the specific sections I mention here.
Also, let's back off with the accusations about each other's faith. This is a clear violation of TOS 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5. Please take the time to review the TOS, particularly the specific sections I mention here.
Jethro Bodine
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Does James 2 Teach Works for Salvation?
To BECOME saved:
NO, James 2 does not teach works for salvation. That happens entirely through faith in the blood of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin apart from works.
To be saved through the coming judgment of fire when Jesus comes back:
YES, assuming you lived long enough as a Christian to do so, you will have to have the evidence of being a person who has been saved by having faith in the forgiveness of God. Though Jesus knows who has trusted in his blood and who has not, he will still judge each of us according to our works. Our righteous works will serve as the evidence of our continuing faith in and love for him. Just as absence of righteous work will serve as the evidence of the absence of faith in and love for him. And so in that sense, and that sense only, will our works save us. Matthew 25:31-46, Hebrews 6:9-10, Matthew 7:21-23.
Works do not MAKE you a saved person. Faith does that all by itself apart from works.
To BECOME saved:
NO, James 2 does not teach works for salvation. That happens entirely through faith in the blood of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin apart from works.
To be saved through the coming judgment of fire when Jesus comes back:
YES, assuming you lived long enough as a Christian to do so, you will have to have the evidence of being a person who has been saved by having faith in the forgiveness of God. Though Jesus knows who has trusted in his blood and who has not, he will still judge each of us according to our works. Our righteous works will serve as the evidence of our continuing faith in and love for him. Just as absence of righteous work will serve as the evidence of the absence of faith in and love for him. And so in that sense, and that sense only, will our works save us. Matthew 25:31-46, Hebrews 6:9-10, Matthew 7:21-23.
Works do not MAKE you a saved person. Faith does that all by itself apart from works.
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Not usurping Christ but an extension of Christ to the whole world acts 1:8 and all men and ages Matt 28:19
Christ’s sacrifice is eternal, heb 7:17 eternal priest offers an eternal sacrifice as the nature and office of a priest is the offering of sacrifice
Christ is high priest heb 8:1 with low priests of the same order offering the same sacrifice
A distinct line of demarcation between Christ and His priesthood / and the people!
Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. (The apostles are to teach the people matt 28:19)
Acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to-ward you:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!
Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Initiation into the new covenant must be ministered to you by the apostles!
No, it doesn't.
Philip was not an apostle, (one of the seven), and he brought the NC to Samaria, the Ethiopian, to Azotus, and unto Caesarea .
Has any of your doctrine allowed you to live in a way that exemplifies conversion? (re: the OP)
I agree or else Paul could not be an apostle cos He don’t qualify
Jethro Bodine
Member
WRONG!
Christ was sacrificed ONE TIME, FOR ALL TIME, FOR ALL PEOPLE.
People do not re-sacrifice Christ over and over again. He did it himself ONE TIME, FOR ALL TIME. And so it does not need to be repeated.
Hebrews 9:25-26
25Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY sacrificed the blood and body of Christ on the altar. He did that himself. And, it never ever ever has to be repeated...EVER! That work of redemption is DONE and will never ever be repeated again because it doesn't have to be repeated again! It accomplished everything one time, for all time, for all people.
Jethro Bodine
Member
I don't think there is such a thing as 'conversion' in the Catholic religion. There can't be because they don't believe they are saved until they have faithfully worked works of righteousness all the way to the very end necessary to then be saved when Jesus returns.
I'm pretty sure I'm understanding Catholic doctrine correctly. There is no such thing as a saved Catholic. They don't believe anyone gets saved until the very end.