I don't really know what you mean by "made to be in Christ"?
They will, however, surely be revealed to be in Christ on the last day...if they endure faithfully until the end.
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They will, however, surely be revealed to be in Christ on the last day...if they endure faithfully until the end.
I can't find that in my bible.
Can you kindly direct me to it?
Or is that a new thread?
No, I am a St. Louis Cardinal fan.
If they "turned", it was from the position of a poser.
Folks with the Holy Spirit don't get fooled.
...and everybody "in Christ".
JackrabbitSlim
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It wasn't an attack. I will have to assume your are then. I asked, that way I can understand "where you're coming from" theologically.
Jethro Bodine
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Depends on why you're doing that.
If you're doing that out of ignorance, or weakness, or immaturity, unfamiliar with the way out from the temptations of sin God has provided his people, then the continual intercession for you of Christ's ministry and his sacrifice in heaven has you covered (Hebrews 7:25).
If you're doing that because you've decided to go back to the world in unbelief you have nothing left to look forward to but the wrath of God's fiery judgment at the end of the age. Because you are in unbelief you can no longer have the benefit of the continual intercession of Christ's ministry and sacrifice that you no longer believe in. It has ceased to intercede for you because you don't trust and believe in it anymore (Hebrews 10:26-27).
Jethro Bodine
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Once you were not in Christ.
Then you were put in Christ by faith in his blood, and so you were made to be in Christ.
That's how it works.
Jethro Bodine
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Here.
1 Corinthians 15:34 BSB
34Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.
And here's the context so you can see he's telling them to stop sinning in regard to not believing the gospel of a risen savior that he preached to them and by which they were saved. You'll see there's nothing here about sinning in regard to moral behavior, but rather what they believe about the resurrection of the dead, specifically Christ:
1 Corinthians 15:12-34 BSB
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.
24Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.”b Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
29If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I face death every day, brothers, as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for human motives, what did I gain? If the dead are not raised,
“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”c
33Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good character.”d 34Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.
Jethro Bodine
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Maybe, maybe not.
That is the $64,000.00 question in Christianity. Can someone who has really believed stop believing permanently? God gives us the warning to not stop believing and what will happen if we do. What each of us wants to think theologically about that is between us and God. The important take-away from it is that we are to continue to keep believing. That's what matters.
JackrabbitSlim
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Please do not take this as an attack. It isn't. It is delivered with grace. You seem to have an idea how salvation and sin should/shouldn't work, to which, you are trying to find biblical evidence to support that idea. Instead of allowing Scripture to change your mind-the real definition of repentance by the way-you are trying to find justification for your idea. Scripture is very clear on this topic.
Rom. 6:1-7
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin."
Eph. 4:20:24
20 "But you did not learn Christ in this way, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, 22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth."
Dorothy Mae
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I think you are fooled in that thinking.
Sorry, I was just trying to lighten up the place.
I don't know enough about Calvinism to say yes or no.
I think every sect has one or two things right, but meshed with those one or two things is so much pollution that it is obviously not of God.
I include Calvinism in that group.
If I am already "saved", there need be no more fear of the Lord.
Or wisdom, chastity, monogamy, charity, truth, prayer, love, restraint, etc.
Plenty of so-called believers have done just that.
They know everything Jesus did for mankind, but continue on in their covetousness and lusts.
Belief isn't the end-all of salvation.
A day of judgement is coming, in which all men will find out if their name is in the book of life.
If it is in the book, we will be saved.
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OK, thanks.
I also had faith in water baptism to do what it was intended to do...immerse me into Christ and into His death and burial. From which I was raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-7)
...if they endure faithfully until the end.
That doesn't say that unbelief is sin.
As nothing can prove that there is no God, I can't even imagine that a real believer who had received the gift of the Holy Ghost would quit believing.
You have to judge my post in its context.
I will not unrepent of the sin I turned from many years ago.
When I died, I became free from sin...just as Rom 6:7 stated above.
You don't have much confidence in the Holy Ghost, do you?
Jethro Bodine
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That's not true. Who told you that? That's not what the Bible says. The Bible is very clear that to remain in the tree we are not to be arrogant, but fear:
Romans 11:19-22
19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly notg spare you either.
22Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
Look at it. You gotta be in the tree in the first place in order for not being cut off to be relevant to you! You don't get grafted in at the end of the age. You are ALREADY grafted in by faith in Jesus. And you will remain grafted in if you continue to believe.