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Does Jesus Death cover ALL sins?

Heidi said:
Jesus died for all in the respect that whoever wants his forgiveness can have it. But since Jesus knows that not all will accept it, then it is also true that he died for many and for few, depending on one's persepctive. It's many when looking at the billions who will be saved. But in contrast to the trillions that won't accept it, it's few. :wink:
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Heidi - does this not contradict your many, many statements that God chooses who will be saved? How can a natural man (one not born again) "want" forgiveness?
 
aLoneVoice said:
Heidi - does this not contradict your many, many statements that God chooses who will be saved? How can a natural man (one not born again) "want" forgiveness?
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Exactly my point, which is why I stpped responding to her posts.
 
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Jesus died for any man who wants forgiveness of their sins, but without the help from the Holy Spirit, man does not know they need forgiveness. This is why our Lord needs Servants to spread His Word.


Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
Atonement said:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Jesus died for any man who wants forgiveness of their sins, but without the help from the Holy Spirit, man does not know they need forgiveness. This is why our Lord needs Servants to spread His Word.


Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Exactly right!!
 
But that "whosoever" clause ends at death. :-? I would venture to say that many souls would gladly give themselves over to God without reservation when they stand in that presence. Yet, according to the Christian faith, . . . . they are no longer a "whosoever" at that point, solely because their SOUL (which is what actually gets saved, not the body, nor the electric impulses of a brain that causes them to question) can't convince the mind, which obviously holds much more power over the soul, . . . . but that body has now died, the soul is free, yet is damned. :-?
 
As a practicing Catholic who became Born Again by praying to Christ and asking Him to become my Savior I believe that Jesus Death covers all sins. :painting:
 
Orion said:
Does what Jesus did on the cross pay for all sins, or just the sins of those who decide to believe in him?
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Jesus did Die for all our sins, espcially unbelievers. Through this. he made a gateway open to heaven so that we may live with him in paradise. The sad thing is, is that alot of people will/have reject the free gift that Jesus wants to give us and thus will end up in hell because of that!
 
Orion said:
But that "whosoever" clause ends at death. :-? I would venture to say that many souls would gladly give themselves over to God without reservation when they stand in that presence. Yet, according to the Christian faith, . . . . they are no longer a "whosoever" at that point, solely because their SOUL (which is what actually gets saved, not the body, nor the electric impulses of a brain that causes them to question) can't convince the mind, which obviously holds much more power over the soul, . . . . but that body has now died, the soul is free, yet is damned. :-?
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Well that's the whole point! He wants us to believe in him and live for him before we die not after! If everybody was able to "give themselves over" to God after they die and stand before his presence, Than the need for Jesus death wouldn't have been necessary because we can all just live like Hell and worry about giving our lives to Jesus after we had died, Doesn't make sense to me. [/quote]
 
Uh, just because someone isn't a Christian . . . . that doesn't mean they're going to "live like Hell". :-? And I don't think you are right in what you say. Even IF that would be the case where people could just live like they want then decide when they die, . . . if a sacrifice was needed, it would be needed in that case as well. Probably more so.

The fact is, our souls are saved. Our mortal earthly bodies have a mind that often is contrary to the soul and conscience. The workings of the chemical fluids of our brains can be very powerful. The need to seek proof for humans is overwhelming. When none is seen, often it will lead a person to say, "It may not be true". When these people get to heaven and their souls are freed from the influences of the mind, they will see TRUTH, . . . . . . . yet even though they realize it now, according to Christian doctrine, it's too late for them. For me, . . . . . I don't see a lot of compassion in this scenario. Not justice either. For a repentant soul that is still given a sentence of Hell is unjust.
 
dancing queen said:
Does this imply you believe God holds a gruge against those that he sends to hell? I was thought of it as we deserve hell because of our sins. God doesn't want us to go there. He doesn't send people there because He holds a grudge. They are sent there because they must pay for their crimes. Like prison for a murderer.
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A little correction, People send themselves there when they reject Jesus's invitation for salvation. This is even more serious than just going to prison, cause prison would probably be heaven compare to Hell!
 
sisterchristian said:
A little correction, People send themselves there when they reject Jesus's invitation for salvation. This is even more serious than just going to prison, cause prison would probably be heaven compare to Hell!
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Exactly right !...God does not send people to Hell, people are they because by Rejecting messiah, they ''chose'' Hell....
 
I've never liked that phrase, "people chose hell by rejecting God". No one would ever CHOOSE to spend an eternity in what we know as Hell. Hell was a creation, so created by God. It is supposed to be a place devoid of God's presence, . . . . which is rather paradoxical, since God is supposed to be omnipresent, :-? . . . . . but I digress.

If someone doesn't accept Jesus, they aren't going to throw themselves into Hell. It is done for them by a strong angel on behalf of God. These people just didn't find faith in THIS particular religion to be any different than the countless other religions. Basically, it is a "choose me or die" scenario. Something that I am beginning to reject as what will happen when we die. It is an insult to tell people that they "choose hell by rejecting Christ". And just because someone wrote something down a LONG time ago, and that person's writings somehow found their way into our current Canon, that doesn't mean it was inspired.
 
Orion said:
I've never liked that phrase, "people chose hell by rejecting God". No one would ever CHOOSE to spend an eternity in what we know as Hell. Hell was a creation, so created by God. It is supposed to be a place devoid of God's presence, . . . . which is rather paradoxical, since God is supposed to be omnipresent, :-? . . . . . but I digress.

If someone doesn't accept Jesus, they aren't going to throw themselves into Hell. It is done for them by a strong angel on behalf of God. These people just didn't find faith in THIS particular religion to be any different than the countless other religions. Basically, it is a "choose me or die" scenario. Something that I am beginning to reject as what will happen when we die. It is an insult to tell people that they "choose hell by rejecting Christ". And just because someone wrote something down a LONG time ago, and that person's writings somehow found their way into our current Canon, that doesn't mean it was inspired.
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The bible is not inspired?
 
Orion said:
I've never liked that phrase, "people chose hell by rejecting God". No one would ever CHOOSE to spend an eternity in what we know as Hell. Hell was a creation, so created by God. It is supposed to be a place devoid of God's presence, . . . . which is rather paradoxical, since God is supposed to be omnipresent, :-? . . . . . but I digress.

If someone doesn't accept Jesus, they aren't going to throw themselves into Hell. It is done for them by a strong angel on behalf of God. These people just didn't find faith in THIS particular religion to be any different than the countless other religions. Basically, it is a "choose me or die" scenario. Something that I am beginning to reject as what will happen when we die. It is an insult to tell people that they "choose hell by rejecting Christ". And just because someone wrote something down a LONG time ago, and that person's writings somehow found their way into our current Canon, that doesn't mean it was inspired.
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The whole point of what Jesus did for us is beecause we were all sinners that were Hell Bound! and by him becoming a living sacrifice for us, we now can be saved and live forever with him in heaven. He is very merciful with us and gives us numerous opportunities to accept him, but if someone dies after rejecting his invitation, well than they obviously won't be with him in heaven. An invitation is when someone invites you somewhere, but if you reject it than you obviously won't be there!
 
mondar said:
The bible is not inspired?
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Some parts probably are. In turn, some parts are not because where man is involved, and man's will, . . . there WILL be error and promoting of their own agenda/philosophy.
 
sisterchristian said:
The whole point of what Jesus did for us is beecause we were all sinners that were Hell Bound! and by him becoming a living sacrifice for us, we now can be saved and live forever with him in heaven. He is very merciful with us and gives us numerous opportunities to accept him, but if someone dies after rejecting his invitation, well than they obviously won't be with him in heaven. An invitation is when someone invites you somewhere, but if you reject it than you obviously won't be there!
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That's just Christian doctrine/dogma. There have been BILLIONS of people who have died having never even heard of Jesus. All they know is their village, finding food for today, creating babies, keeping from being overrun by another village, etc. Someone who was born and raised in a Buddhist town only knows about that religion. How is justice served them when they stand in front of Jesus and say, "Who?? I've never even heard of you!", just before being ushered to Hell for "not accepting Jesus before they died".

I find a true loving God to be much more compassionate than that.
 
mondar said:
Read the quote from Orion, it is his comment. Did I misunderstand it?
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Oh my apologies, I thought you were saying that the Bible was not inspired. But I see that you stated it as a question like (what... the bible is not inspired??)
 
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