Does man have free will to choose salvation?

[jasonc]

God took Enoch . That is all we get , anything else is speculation .

Genesis 5:24​

“And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”


Human nature the same one Adam and Eve and everyone after had , but not a sin nature .


I understand .

Adam choose to sin .if there there is no curse why do people die ?

Babies die in utero , the fact is death is from Adam that's the curse of sin .

Babies die at a month etc

A person not under the curse is not under the curse of death

Do you really think that my body with asthma will be in heaven ?




No Enoch didnt sin ?

So you believe that you can be sinless right now

 

[JLB]

Was Mary , Jesus's mother born with out a male parent ? Mary was formed from the sperm of a male and the egg of a female .

Yes of course Mary was born with what some call “original sin”.

Which is why the Catholic doctrine of immaculate conception is heresy.

The doctrine of immaculate conception teaches that Mary was born sinless.


JLB

 

[hawkman]

Adam choose to sin .if there there is no curse why do people die ?

Babies die in utero , the fact is death is from Adam that's the curse of sin .

Babies die at a month etc

A person not under the curse is not under the curse of death

Adam sinned and it brought death to all mankind , I understand this .

A sin nature , where is it in the human body ? And who put it there ?

Do you really think that my body with asthma will be in heaven ?

Our body will be like His , that is what we are told . But we also told this .

4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

No Enoch didnt sin ?

So God took the sinful Enoch ? Where is your indication of that ?

 

[hawkman]

Yes of course Mary was born with what some call “original sin”.

So with this there is no way that Jesus could avoid this " original sin " because he is seed of a woman .

 

[jasonc]

Adam sinned and it brought death to all mankind , I understand this .

A sin nature , where is it in the human body ? And who put it there ?

Our body will be like His , that is what we are told . But we also told this .

4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So God took the sinful Enoch ? Where is you indication of that ?

He inputs righteousness

Did you not read that all the saints operated by faith

By faith Abel pleased God..

It wasn't works .if a child is sinless at birth then he knows Jesus better then Paul the apostle by default as no serperation exists

Paul writes and spoke our bodies dying before mentioning the oft quotes versus of the rapture

He compares it to a seed planted and springing forth but the seed dies .
Our mortal bodies are that .


By faith .

Elijah was under the law of Moses
Where is the verses where he could not atone ?

 

[hawkman]

It wasn't works .if a child is sinless at birth then he knows Jesus better then Paul the apostle by default as no serperation exists

New International Version
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

 

[jasonc]

New International Version
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

That's the way the understand and I'm that time children even in jewry were treated as second class .Jesus stated that for a reason.

But you ignore that it doesn't say Enoch was sinless .it just says he by faith had pleased God

You also didn't address the logic of sinless perfection.which isn't in the bible.

Look I have younger sister ,she is 45 ,she will be never Marry ,own anything or understand much .yet she can be very mean and greedy and yet doesn't understand what she is

Free states this with another thread

I think there will be exceptions based on mental capacity. God is just, and in the end, every single person will know that they got the judgement they deserved.

 

[hawkman]

But you ignore that it doesn't say Enoch was sinless .it just says he by faith had pleased God

You ignore there are no sins listed for Enoch , we can not ascertain for certain either way . But God took him .

You also didn't address the logic of sinless perfection.which isn't in the bible.

To be sinless is the goal we should all be striving for . Are you there yet ? I am not .


One more time for this question which I can't get an answer to .

A sin nature , where is it in the human body ? And who put it there ?

 

[Oseas]

So God took the sinful Enoch ? Where is your indication of that ?

He took also the sinful Elyjah, no? - James 5:17-18:
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

 

[hawkman]

No more Enoch and Elijah posts , back to the subject of the OP .