Does man naturally have ability to Seek God ?

[electedbyHim]

I have plenty. You have verses isolated out of the context. Always the same ones. What you don’t see is the assumption that words written about particular persons at a point in time don’t mean everyone everywhere throughout time. When shown numerous examples, they are ignored.

You truly do not understand scripture. Scripture is consistent from the beginning until the end concerning mans depravity, election, predestination, perseverance and the atonement for those who believe only.

What you are saying is that God changes His ways on salvation.

Again, you believe man is superior to the Lord when it comes to salvation.

Your replies are always the same.

Again, you have nothing

 

[electedbyHim]

Not at all, but only one of address the opposition with answers. Your are not that one. That you mockingly laugh shows the inner man.

Your speech reflects what your heart believes.

What you believe is truly not Biblical, but no one can show this to you because your pride blinds you.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Your speech reflects what your heart believes.

What you believe is truly not Biblical, but no one can show this to you because your pride blinds you.

Grace and peace to you.

What my heart believes is truly Biblical and you can only say what you do because you cannot answer the scriptures. But you make nice nice which is a lot better than some.

 

[electedbyHim]

Exactly.

Jer 29:11 ‘For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares Yahweh, ‘plans for peace and not for calamity, to give you a future and a hope.
Jer 29:12 ‘Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
Jer 29:13 ‘You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.
Jer 29:14 ‘I will be found by you,’ declares Yahweh, ‘and I will return your fortunes and will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have banished you,’ declares Yahweh, ‘and I will cause you to return to the place from where I sent you into exile.’

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You truly do not understand scripture. Scripture is consistent from the beginning until the end concerning mans depravity, election, predestination, perseverance and the atonement for those who believe only.

What you are saying is that God changes His ways on salvation.

Again, you believe man is superior to the Lord when it comes to salvation.

Your replies are always the same.

Again, you have nothing

You cannot directly address the scriptures so you focus instead on the ad hominem. This was NOT nice nice but very typical in calvinism. I’m just glad no calvinist can burn me at the stake over green wood.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Jer 29:11 ‘For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares Yahweh, ‘plans for peace and not for calamity, to give you a future and a hope.
Jer 29:12 ‘Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
Jer 29:13 ‘You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.
Jer 29:14 ‘I will be found by you,’ declares Yahweh, ‘and I will return your fortunes and will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have banished you,’ declares Yahweh, ‘and I will cause you to return to the place from where I sent you into exile.’

No one had their heart changed before seeking. No one. Scripture is not your friend. Best stick to your own theology instead.

What does God give? No change of heart but some kind of external blessing. Then they seek him if they do.

 

[electedbyHim]

What my heart believes is truly Biblical and you can only say what you do because you cannot answer the scriptures. But you make nice nice which is a lot better than some.

That is projection, I have answered your question (post 147), but you did not reply, because you did not like my answer.

I am not sure what nice nice means. I mean I am of the foolish the Lord has chosen.

I have no ill will towards anyone who does not understand the Doctrines of Grace.

I pray for them and I hope they pray for me.

No mans theology is 100%

Grace and peace to you.

 

[rogerg]

No one had their heart changed before seeking. No one. Scripture is not your friend. Best stick to your own theology instead.

No one can truly seek unless their hearts and minds are first changed: only God's work, not man's.

[Heb 10:16 KJV] 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

 

[electedbyHim]

No one can truly seek unless their hearts and minds are first changed: only God's work, not man's.

[Heb 10:16 KJV] 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Eze 36:24 “And I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your idols.
Eze 36:26 “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to do My judgments.

 

[brightfame52]

Here is what scripture has to say in answer to the question, a resounding YES, man can and ought to seek God. They seek other things, why not God for a change?

Man naturally doesnt seek after God, doesnt understand God, the True God that is. Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Man naturally doesnt seek after God, doesnt understand God, the True God that is. Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

This is typical of Calvinists. They don’t see the scripture they don’t like.

 

[Whatever]

Change them on the inside? No.

Then it does no good to pray for somebody's salvation.

 

[Whatever]

That's the definition of capricious, or arbitrary.

No, that is your definition of capricious or arbitrary. What is God does have some reason unknown to us? Again, you limit God. God cannot do X without being capricious or arbitrary. I have heard all kinds of "God would never do . . . ."

 

[Whatever]

You do realize that you have to use NT verses, right?

Yes, because as Paul says, there were mysteries that were not revealed to the OT saints. So, the NT explains and expands what is there in the OT.

 

[rogerg]

That's the definition of capricious, or arbitrary.

Capricious? Definitely not! God owes no one an explanation or a justification as to why He saves some and others not. God, through His offering, made payment for and thereby purchased those He chose to save. You may not like that
He chose to do it that way, but nevertheless, it was His divine right, prerogative and good pleasure to do so.
It appears you think your wisdom greater than God's.

[Rom 9:16-18, 21 KJV]
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Then it does no good to pray for somebody's salvation.

Of course it does. Why do you think it does no good?

If one is a Calvinist, THEN it does no good as they believe the decision for each man’s eternal destiny was sealed before the world was made. For them it does no good.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yes, because as Paul says, there were mysteries that were not revealed to the OT saints. So, the NT explains and expands what is there in the OT.

So Abraham did NOT know there was more than material land promised. None of them knew, in that case, right? And land was the promise as I said.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Capricious? Definitely not! God owes no one an explanation or a justification as to why He saves some and others not. God, through His offering, made payment for and thereby purchased those He chose to save. You may not like that
He chose to do it that way, but nevertheless, it was His divine right, prerogative and good pleasure to do so.
It appears you think your wisdom greater than God's.

[Rom 9:16-18, 21 KJV]
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Then there’s no point in praying for anyone, right?

 

[brightfame52]

This is typical of Calvinists. They don’t see the scripture they don’t like.

That actually seems to be true of those who dont believe Rom 3:11

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[rogerg]

Then there’s no point in praying for anyone, right?

Regarding salvation, right: those whom God has chosen for salvation will be saved, those whom He hasn't
will not become saved -- Jesus's offering has been completed and accepted by God the Father.
Didn't you read the verses I just posted from Romans 16-18,21(above)?