Again sounds to me you are second guessing God, for Salvation, all of it, every aspect of it is of God, His performance.
Does man naturally have ability to Seek God ?
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Consecrated Life said:
You made the claim of a two step requirement for salvation .
God did not .
That is why you provided no supporting scripture for your claim:
"The Truth is, you cant believe in Christ until you are born again, Saved" ( brightframe52 )
Therefore you being the author of a two step salvation I am second guessing you alone about the implications inherent in a pause before step two.
Why are you running away from your own claim ?
Man up / Own it/ & answer for it rather than running scared from it .
"The Truth is, you cant believe in Christ until you are born again, Saved" ( brightframe52 )
You made the claim of a two step requirement for salvation .
God did not .
That is why you provided no supporting scripture for your claim:
"The Truth is, you cant believe in Christ until you are born again, Saved" ( brightframe52 )
Therefore you being the author of a two step salvation I am second guessing you alone about the implications inherent in a pause before step two.
Why are you running away from your own claim ?
It's your claim.
Man up / Own it/ & answer for it rather than running scared from it .
"The Truth is, you cant believe in Christ until you are born again, Saved" ( brightframe52 )
I know what I said. You seem to be second guessing God, all of Salvation is of God
1 John 2:2 does not specify that it is talking about only the world of the saved...it is talking about the whole world.
The world of the saved is a subsection of the whole world.
Yes it does specify, propitiation is Justification. You cant have your sins propitiated and not be Justified. God has no wrath for that world, its saved from Gods wrath:
If Christ is ones propitiation with God, they are saved, justified.
No, the fact that it speaks of propitiation means that it is speaking of a provision for the appeasement of God's wrath against the sinner.
This is something that is offered to everyone; the only ones who don't receive propitiation are those who don't place their faith in the provision for it.
Oh no, you short changing the death of Christ, propitiation means reconciliation/ Justification and deliverance from wrath. Thats Salvation. God is at peace with you if He is propitiated. Christ has made reconciliation for the sins of the people Heb 2:17
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
That word reconciliation is the same word propitiation. Thats Justification Gods wrath is appeased for them
Men are not propitiated except they place their faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for them on the Cross.
False . Faith doesn't propitiate God , Jesus Christs blood does. You stealing from Christs work to give to man.
You are clearly in the wrong; as can be seen in such passages as Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-8, Romans 5:1-2, Titus 3:4-7, and Romans 11:5-6.
Again Faith doesn't propitiate God , Jesus Christs blood does. You stealing from Christs work to give to man.
Faith appropriates what Jesus did for us.
To teach otherwise is to promote false doctrine.
God's wrath is appeased through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:25, Romans 5:1, Romans 5:9).
1 John 2:2
propitiation. Cf. 1Jn_4:10. The word means "appeasement" or "satisfaction." The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross satisfied the demands of God's holiness for the punishment of sin (cf. Rom_1:18; 2Co_5:21; Eph_2:3). So Jesus propitiated or satisfied God. See notes on Heb_2:17; Heb_9:15 for a clear illustration of propitiation.
for the whole world. This is a generic term, referring not to every single individual, but to mankind in general. Christ actually paid the penalty only for those who would repent and believe. A number of Scriptures indicate that Christ died for the world (Joh_1:29; Joh_3:16; Joh_6:51; 1Ti_2:6; Heb_2:9). Since much of the world will be eternally condemned to hell to pay for their own sins, they could not have been paid for by Christ (cf. Mat_7:13-14).
The passages which speak of Christ's dying for the whole world must be understood to refer to mankind in general (as in Tit_2:11). World indicates the sphere, the beings toward whom God seeks reconciliation and has provided propitiation. God has mitigated His wrath on sinners temporarily, by letting them live and enjoy earthly life (see note on 1Ti_4:10). In that sense, Christ has provided a brief, temporal propitiation for the whole world. But He actually satisfied fully the wrath of God eternally only for the elect who believe. Christ's death in itself had unlimited and infinite value because He is Holy God. Thus, His sacrifice was sufficient to pay the penalty for all the sins of all whom God brings to faith. But the actual satisfaction and atonement was made only for those who believe (cf. Joh_10:11, Joh_10:15; Joh_17:9, Joh_17:20; Act_20:28; Rom_8:32, Rom_8:37; Eph_5:25). The pardon for sin is offered to the whole world, but received only by those who believe (cf. 1Jn_4:9, 1Jn_4:14; Joh_5:24). There is no other way to be reconciled to God.
What determines who are the elect?
Not the arbitrary decision of a cosmic monster;
But the foreknown choice of those who would receive Jesus as Saviour and Lord down the annals of history.
False, Christs blood propitiated God, so those Christ died for God is at peace and favor with them based on that alone, before they do anything, even while they are enemies and ungodly. Has nothing to do with what man appropriates, thats a false gospel