I hope God has mercy on you friend.I am going to let the blind lead the blind. Goodbye.
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I hope God has mercy on you friend.I am going to let the blind lead the blind. Goodbye.
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Friend, verses have been offered to you.you to far out in left field for me ,i will say this your well taught i have dealt with Calvinist / reformed what ever your presence is in name . makes me no never mind
over the years in carm i hashed this same very answer out back and forth, did a email correspondence with a Calvinist. till they seen they was getting no where in / converting me to Calvinism. before you respond i can give the answer . so you all been taught the same . you simply can not see out side the box
I gave up on that Calvinist long ago trying as you did to get some light through. I think there’s a spiritual fortress involved here.your like a broken record you just keep repeating your self .. this has been a recording
He did not say that.let him explain himself.So in your theology, Jesus is unnecessary for regeneration, right? Just having faith, right?
Romans 3:23Do not be so quick to say no as all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. This means every single one of us.
Hello SB,Romans 3:23
For all have sinned
All is a pronoun and points to a person, place or thing.
In this case, all is pointing to a set of nations. Those nations being Israel and the Gentiles.
Paul is not making the case that each and every individual has sinned. He is making the case that no single nation is without sin.
We only need to get our minds out of mens theology and false doctrines to read what is plainly written within the confines of the rules the English language imposes within its structure.
Sinned is past tense. It means we can look back and identify an action that goes against Gods law since it is Gods law which one can be charged of an offense. If All in Romans 3:23 is to be taken at the individual level, then it is to say that Jesus himself sinned or that Jesus was not man. We know that Jesus was fully man and we know Jesus was without sin. Another example would be a new born infant fresh out of the womb. Within Gods law, what identifiable action has a newborn baby violated to be deemed a sinner? Or is being born considered a sin? If so, what law does being born violate? And please do not try to say an infant is a sinner from birth due to the sin nature. We are each accountable for our sins and again, sinned is past tense. It means there is a clear violation of Gods law. There is no law violated by being born and conception is not sinful. We are beautifully and wonderfully made.
Actually, it is Gods command that we be fruitful and multiply. This means conception. Do we now say God commands us to sin? I think not.
Finally, keeping with Paul’s theme on a national level,
Romans 5:18
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned
All is a pronoun and points to a person, place or thing.
In this case, all is pointing to a set of nations. Those nations being Israel and the Gentiles.
Paul is not making the case that each and every individual has sinned. He is making the case that no single nation is without sin.
Thank you for correcting me. I wasn't going by men's theology and their false doctrines, it was only something that I thought that every person has sinned. I should had thought about what is written in Mark 2:17.Romans 3:23
For all have sinned
All is a pronoun and points to a person, place or thing.
In this case, all is pointing to a set of nations. Those nations being Israel and the Gentiles.
Paul is not making the case that each and every individual has sinned. He is making the case that no single nation is without sin.
We only need to get our minds out of mens theology and false doctrines to read what is plainly written within the confines of the rules the English language imposes within its structure.
Sinned is past tense. It means we can look back and identify an action that goes against Gods law since it is Gods law which one can be charged of an offense. If All in Romans 3:23 is to be taken at the individual level, then it is to say that Jesus himself sinned or that Jesus was not man. We know that Jesus was fully man and we know Jesus was without sin. Another example would be a new born infant fresh out of the womb. Within Gods law, what identifiable action has a newborn baby violated to be deemed a sinner? Or is being born considered a sin? If so, what law does being born violate? And please do not try to say an infant is a sinner from birth due to the sin nature. We are each accountable for our sins and again, sinned is past tense. It means there is a clear violation of Gods law. There is no law violated by being born and conception is not sinful. We are beautifully and wonderfully made.
Actually, it is Gods command that we be fruitful and multiply. This means conception. Do we now say God commands us to sin? I think not.
Finally, keeping with Paul’s theme on a national level,
Romans 5:18
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
All sinned and died in Adam, even babies.Thank you for correcting me. I wasn't going by men's theology and their false doctrines, it was only something that I thought that every person has sinned. I should had thought about what is written in Mark 2:17.
And no, a baby can not sin nor did I ever believe they can. Each one of us has to come to a certain age to understand what is good and evil, but a child is to young to understand good and evil.
No, it declares that David was conceived in sin. In Psalm 139 David also declares he was beautifully and wonderfully made.Psalm 51 declares we are conceived "in sin".
Lol, your funny. What sin does an infant commit out of the 613 laws of Torah that decree the laws?All sinned and died in Adam, even babies.
We know that is what Calvinist believe as the scriptures you use are being taken out of context. We are born in iniquity which means we are born into a sinful world, not that we are born with sin already.All sinned and died in Adam, even babies.
Adam was our federalLol, your funny. What sin does an infant commit out of the 613 laws of Torah that decree the laws?
No, it declares that David was conceived in sin. In Psalm 139 David also declares he was beautifully and wonderfully made.
David wrote both psalms….
Adam was the head of the whole human race.Lol, your funny. What sin does an infant commit out of the 613 laws of Torah that decree the laws?
Conceived in iniquity. Nothing was out of context.We know that is what Calvinist believe as the scriptures you use are being taken out of context. We are born in iniquity which means we are born into a sinful world, not that we are born with sin already.
Let me ask you this, how can a baby sin that knows no sin?