Does man naturally have ability to Seek God ?

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Do you know that the ten commands were sometimes kept by some people?
Not if you really understand what Jesus was saying on the Sermon on the Mount. He was showing that these commandments are a matter of what is inside of us.

Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Have you ever insulted anybody on this forum?
Jas 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

I think you have a very limited understanding of how bad the situation the Bible says we are in as humans.
 
Read in the verse in Jeremiah. Who is he talking about? People who "are accustomed to doing evil." Can you see the difference between those kinds of people and yourself. Are you accustomed to doing evil?
Yes, I am accustomed to doing evil. The word "evil" in that Jeremiah passage is not describing a foaming at the mouth, rabid person who needs to be restrained. It can be as simple as doing something displeasing to somebody.

Gen 21:10 So she said to Abraham, “Cast out this slave woman with her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac.” 11 And the thing was very displeasing to Abraham on account of his son.

The "displeasing" above is the same word Jeremiah used.
The scripture you present do not describe all mankind.
Yes they do. You seem to have this unbiblical idea that most people are basically good.

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.
 
Yes, I am accustomed to doing evil. The word "evil" in that Jeremiah passage is not describing a foaming at the mouth, rabid person who needs to be restrained. It can be as simple as doing something displeasing to somebody.

Gen 21:10 So she said to Abraham, “Cast out this slave woman with her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac.” 11 And the thing was very displeasing to Abraham on account of his son.

The "displeasing" above is the same word Jeremiah used.

Yes they do. You seem to have this unbiblical idea that most people are basically good.

Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.
See we think that doing evil is something immoral, but doing evil before God is teaching false doctrines. John wrote not to compromise false teaching about Christ, in doing so, we partake of their evil deeds 2 Jn 10-11

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

No doubt a great multitude of the people in Noahs day before the flood, were very religious, and sincere, and moral, yet God seen only evil continually Gen 6:5


5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
 
Yes, I am accustomed to doing evil. The word "evil" in that Jeremiah passage is not describing a foaming at the mouth, rabid person who needs to be restrained. It can be as simple as doing something displeasing to somebody.
No, the list even in that famous Romans passage is not mere selfishness or displeasing another. It’s feet swift to do murder. It’s mouths speaking lies. I can think of only a few I know who are accustomed to doing evil. What you’re doing is making everything on the same level of wrong when it is not. Even atheists know the difference between murder and not liking someone.

When God abandoned Israel or sent invaders, it was because the level of their evil was great, not merely a displeasing. Do you know that Jeremiah described the evil
they did as so bad it has never entered the mind if God to do? Foreign worship meant throwing their babies into the fires of Molech. This isn’t merely “displeasing.”
Gen 21:10 So she said to Abraham, “Cast out this slave woman with her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac.” 11 And the thing was very displeasing to Abraham on account of his son.

The "displeasing" above is the same word Jeremiah used.
But can’t you see that sending a woman away isn’t the same as murder or throwing your babies into the fire? Sodom was displeasing to the Lord but can you see that’s not the same?
Yes they do. You seem to have this unbiblical idea that most people are basically good.
Please don’t put words into my mouth. But I can list for you God called “righteous”in the Bible. God deciding some are righteous isn’t saying all are, in fact it’s the opposite
Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
From puberty, his heart tends towards evil. From puberty, not birth.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.
You want the names of those whom God called righteous?
 
Not if you really understand what Jesus was saying on the Sermon on the Mount. He was showing that these commandments are a matter of what is inside of us.
Uh, the ten commandments were given in the OT, not in the sermon on the mount. And some people followed them successfully. And it’s pretty easy for most people today not to ever murder. A lot of people never commit adultery. A number never steal Those commands are not that difficult to keep.

What is inside us important but it’s revealed by what’s outside. The books by which were judged are the books of deeds we actually do.
Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Ah, that’s a warning. He doesn’t make being angry = murder but warns where anger can lead to.
Have you ever insulted anybody on this forum?
Jas 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.
Ah, the Greek is “abuse” not insult. Jesus insulted lots of people. He abused no one. There’s a big difference.

I think you have a very limited understanding of how bad the situation the Bible says we are in as humans.
Ah, contrar. You seem to think every little thing we do and are as “evil” which means you have no measure to tell the difference between refusing to give a cup of cold water and murder, apparently it’s all evil. You accept easily that you actually do evil, no big deal. I find that lack of discernment and tolerance of downright evil troubling.
 
Uh, the ten commandments were given in the OT, not in the sermon on the mount. And some people followed them successfully. And it’s pretty easy for most people today not to ever murder. A lot of people never commit adultery. A number never steal Those commands are not that difficult to keep.

What is inside us important but it’s revealed by what’s outside. The books by which were judged are the books of deeds we actually do.

Ah, that’s a warning. He doesn’t make being angry = murder but warns where anger can lead to.

Ah, the Greek is “abuse” not insult. Jesus insulted lots of people. He abused no one. There’s a big difference.


Ah, contrar. You seem to think every little thing we do and are as “evil” which means you have no measure to tell the difference between refusing to give a cup of cold water and murder, apparently it’s all evil. You accept easily that you actually do evil, no big deal. I find that lack of discernment and tolerance of downright evil troubling.
The Law was never given for man to keep in the first place, but to show men their sinnership. No one could keep the Law but the Man Jesus Christ, who is the GodMan. You have been deceived into thinking men kept the Law.
 
The Law was never given for man to keep in the first place, but to show men their sinnership. No one could keep the Law but the Man Jesus Christ, who is the GodMan. You have been deceived into thinking men kept the Law.
God told the people that He thought the law was not too difficult for them. And there are many people who never murder, never committed adultery, and so on.
 
Even atheists know the difference between murder and not liking someone.
But Athists aren't going to judge you.
I find that lack of discernment and tolerance of downright evil troubling.
Yes, I will pray for you that you can see how evil we really are.

Mat 7:11 If you then, who are evil (ponēros), know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Jesus wasn't talking to prisoners in jail for murder or rape or whatever. He was talking to the regular Jewish people who came to hear Him preach.

ponēros
hurtful, that is, evil figuratively calamitous; also (passively) ill, that is, diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, that is, derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners: - bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked (-ness)

That is the condition of all mankind. Regeneration does not completely take it away in this life as long as we live in this body.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
 
But Athists aren't going to judge you.
If ignorant atheists know the difference between stealing a pencil and stealing a baby, God knows it even better. One, only one of them, is evil.
Yes, I will pray for you that you can see how evil we really are.
I’ve repented of evil done. I know what it is. You seem not to know.
Mat 7:11 If you then, who are evil (ponēros), know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Jesus wasn't talking to prisoners in jail for murder or rape or whatever. He was talking to the regular Jewish people who came to hear Him preach.
Most of whom would take part in his murder as well as stone Stephen and murder other christians.
ponēros
hurtful, that is, evil figuratively calamitous; also (passively) ill, that is, diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, that is, derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners: - bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked (-ness)
Can one pick which definition one happens to like at the moment?
That is the condition of all mankind. Regeneration does not completely take it away in this life as long as we live in this body.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
This is the man who says he had done ALL that God had asked him to do. He had finished the course set for him. He had done all. I’m sure he never thought of himself as evil. What an insult to the power of Jesus to free us from sin!!
 
If ignorant atheists know the difference between stealing a pencil and stealing a baby, God knows it even better. One, only one of them, is evil.
That is where you are wrong.
I’ve repented of evil done. I know what it is. You seem not to know.
Again, you have a small idea of evil. Evil is falling short, missing the mark. Evil is the same thing as sin.

Rom_13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom_13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Wrong in Greek
kakos
worthless (intrinsically such; that is, (subjectively) depraved, or (objectively) injurious: - bad, evil, harm, ill, noisome, wicked.

subjectively = in a way that pertains to or is influenced by a person’s feelings, moods, opinions, prejudices,

So again, going back to the sermon on the mount, you do not love your neighbor if even your feelings, moods, opinions and not perfectly holy. You don't have to say it, just thinking so and so is a jerk and you have fallen short of God's standards and have sinned. The soul that sins shall die. Stealing a pencil or murdering somebody is sin. Both deserve hell.

Jesus did not come to save good, honest decent people who screw up now and then, but sinners, evil people.
 
That is where you are wrong.

I am 100% right. People will be judged based on the deeds done in their life. There are different degrees just as there are different degrees of evil.
Again, you have a small idea of evil. Evil is falling short, missing the mark. Evil is the same thing as sin.
No, what you propose is having no standard between good, better, bad, worse, horribly evil. That is unjust. All victims know the difference.
Rom_13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom_13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Yes, but this doesn’t address evil. God saw the evil in Sodom was SO BAD He burnt it to the ground. They had <10 righteous people. They had one at least but not 10. He doesn’t see all people as being the same as those in Sodom.
Wrong in Greek
kakos
worthless (intrinsically such; that is, (subjectively) depraved, or (objectively) injurious: - bad, evil, harm, ill, noisome, wicked.

subjectively = in a way that pertains to or is influenced by a person’s feelings, moods, opinions, prejudices,
Can I pick the definition I like among those different choices?
So again, going back to the sermon on the mount, you do not love your neighbor if even your feelings, moods, opinions and not perfectly holy. You don't have to say it, just thinking so and so is a jerk and you have fallen short of God's standards and have sinned. The soul that sins shall die. Stealing a pencil or murdering somebody is sin. Both deserve hell.
Wow! You really do think all wrong is equally horrible. You really don’t know what evil is. But I bet you don’t live like that. No one does. If someone stole your pencil or your child, I bet you’d react differently.
Jesus did not come to save good, honest decent people who screw up now and then, but sinners, evil people.
True. He who is forgiven much loves much. There is a “much.”
 
I am 100% right. People will be judged based on the deeds done in their life. There are different degrees just as there are different degrees of evil.
Those in Christ will not be judged. Everybody else will be judged like you say. There are degrees of suffering in Hell.
No, what you propose is having no standard between good, better, bad, worse, horribly evil. That is unjust. All victims know the difference.
Yes, if you are talking about human societies. God's standard is perfection. One inch off will damn a person the same as being 100 miles off.
Yes, but this doesn’t address evil. God saw the evil in Sodom was SO BAD He burnt it to the ground. They had <10 righteous people. They had one at least but not 10. He doesn’t see all people as being the same as those in Sodom.
Again, God agreed with Abraham to not do it if there were 10 righteous people there, because He already know there were not 10 righteous people there. And again, I believe God only did it for an example for us.
1Co 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.

Yes, God has the right to pass over some people's sin and use others as examples.
Wow! You really do think all wrong is equally horrible. You really don’t know what evil is. But I bet you don’t live like that. No one does. If someone stole your pencil or your child, I bet you’d react differently.
No, I don't think that. I am just saying that you sin every day just like I do. A little sin is no different than a big sin in condemning a person. Eze_18:20 The soul who sins shall die. It doesn't say the soul that sins a lot shall die but the soul that only sins a little bit is okay.

You are concentrating solely on how our sins effect people around us. I'm not talking about that. We are talking about meeting God' standard for our lives. We either meet that standard or we fall short. Falling short can be one inch or 100 miles, it still falls short.
 
Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can know it?


It is very popular among Christian's to believe they are basically good. The fact is that that when the Lord saved me and I began to study His word, I began to see how ugly and evil I was and can still be. All Christians can be evil and do evil. The unregenerate are pure evil.

Some observations about evil

Evil is usually thought of as that which is morally wrong, sinful, or wicked; however, the word evil can also refer to anything that causes harm, with or without the moral dimension. The word is used both ways in the Bible. Anything that contradicts the holy nature of God is evil (see Psalm 51:4). On the flip side, any disaster, tragedy, or calamity can also be called an “evil” (see 1 Kings 17:20, KJV).

Evil behavior includes sin committed against other people (murder, theft, adultery) and evil committed against God (unbelief, idolatry, blasphemy). From the disobedience in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:9) to the wickedness of Babylon the Great (Revelation 18:2), the Bible speaks of the fact of evil, and man is held responsible for the evil he commits: “The one who sins is the one who will die” (Ezekiel 18:20).

Essentially, evil is a lack of goodness. Moral evil is not a physical thing; it is a lack or privation of a good thing. As Christian philosopher J. P. Moreland has noted, “Evil is a lack of goodness. It is goodness spoiled. You can have good without evil, but you cannot have evil without good.” Or as Christian apologist Greg Koukl has said, “Human freedom was used in such a way as to diminish goodness in the world, and that diminution, that lack of goodness, that is what we call evil.”

God is love (1 John 4:8); the absence of love in a person is un-God-like and therefore evil. And an absence of love manifests itself in unloving behavior. The same can be said concerning God’s mercy, justice, patience, etc. The lack of these godly qualities in anyone constitutes evil. That evil then manifests itself in behavior that is unmerciful, unjust, impatient, etc., bringing more harm into the good world that God has made. As it turns out, we lack a lot: “As it is written: ‘There is no one righteous, not even one’” (Romans 3:10).

Moral evil is wrong done to others, and it can exist even when unaccompanied by external action. Murder is an evil action, but it has its start with the moral evil of hatred in the heart (Matthew 5:21–22). Committing adultery is evil, but so is the moral evil of lust in the heart (Matthew 5:27–28). Jesus said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person” (Mark 7:20–23).

Those who fall into evil behavior usually start slowly. Paul shows the tragic progression into more and more evil in Romans 1. It starts with refusing to glorify God or give thanks to Him (Romans 1:21), and it ends with God giving them over to a “depraved mind” and allowing them to be “filled with every kind of wickedness” (verses 28–29).

Those who practice evil are in Satan’s trap and are slaves to sin: “Opponents [of the Lord’s servant] must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will” (2 Timothy 2:25–26; see also John 8:34). Only by the grace of God can we be set free.

Physical evil is the trouble that befalls people in the world, and it may or may not be linked to moral evil or divine judgment. Ecclesiastes 11:2 counsels us to diversify our investments, for this reason: “thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth” (KJV). The word evil in this case means “disaster,” “misfortune,” or “calamity,” and that’s how other translations word it. Sometimes, physical evil is simply the result of an accident or causes unknown, with no known moral cause; examples would include injuries, car wrecks, hurricanes, and earthquakes. Other times, physical evil is God’s retribution for the sins of an individual or group. Sodom and the surrounding cities were destroyed for their sins (Genesis 19), and God “made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly” (2 Peter 2:6). Many times, God warned Israel of the calamities that awaited them if they rebelled: “[The LORD] also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity” (Isaiah 31:2, KJV). In all cases, God works through the situation to bring about His good purpose (Romans 8:28).

God is not the author of moral evil; rather, it is His holiness that defines it. Created in God’s image, we bear the responsibility to make moral choices that please God and conform to His will. He wills our sanctification (1 Thessalonians 4:3) and does not wish us to sin (James 1:13). In repentance and faith in Christ, we have forgiveness of sin and a reversal of the moral evil within us (Acts 3:19). As God’s children, we walk according to this command: “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good” (Romans 12:21).

Back to the topic of this thread.

Does man naturally have ability to Seek God ?​


Absolutely not.

Rom 3:10 as it is written, “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
Rom 3:12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME WORTHLESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”
Rom 3:13 “THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN TOMB, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,” “THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS”;
Rom 3:14 “WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS”;
Rom 3:15 “THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,
Rom 3:16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,
Rom 3:17 AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN.”
Rom 3:18 “THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.”


Grace and peace to you.
 
Those in Christ will not be judged. Everybody else will be judged like you say. There are degrees of suffering in Hell.
We will stand before the judgement seat of Christ and be judged on the deeds done in the body good and bad. We certainly will be judged. Do you want scripture for that?
Yes, if you are talking about human societies. God's standard is perfection. One inch off will damn a person the same as being 100 miles off.
I know Him pretty well and that is not what I’d say nor anyone who walked closely with Him who wrote the scripture would say. It’s not the right way to look at how he thinks.
Again, God agreed with Abraham to not do it if there were 10 righteous people there, because He already know there were not 10 righteous people there. And again, I believe God only did it for an example for us.
The appeal Abe made was to God’s justice. That city was really bad might means there is a point of evil where God judges and destroys a people. People are not equally evil. Some in the Bible elsewhere God even called righteous. He isn’t a Calvinist. God destroyed S and G for the reason He said so. Because they were horribly evil every one of them but Lot.
1Co 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.
That scripture was referring to the deaths that occurred at the golden calf incident, not Sodom. You’ve taken it completely out of context. You are better than that, my dear.
Yes, God has the right to pass over some people's sin and use others as examples.
No, He cannot be just and do that. If He were as you describe, the blood of the lamb on the doorposts wouldn’t have been necessary. What you suggest is terribly unjust. All of the Bible tells us God is just.
No, I don't think that. I am just saying that you sin every day just like I do. A little sin is no different than a big sin in condemning a person.
Since God and man judge different sins differently, that is not so. The kind of man who plots to murder another is not the same as the man who steals his pencil. There are large sins that do large damage to the perpetrator and the victim. It’s foolish to think murder is the same as being irritated. Foolish. No one lives like that. It isn’t true.

Having said that, men will go to hell after a life of never doing those great sins because of what they did do and became. In that sense any sin not covered by Jesus blood condemns a man. It’s just that no man only commits one sin.
Eze_18:20 The soul who sins shall die. It doesn't say the soul that sins a lot shall die but the soul that only sins a little bit is okay.
True, but doesn’t say all crimes/sins are the same. That’s why the individual deeds are recorded, not jus the one word “sin.”
You are concentrating solely on how our sins effect people around us. I'm not talking about that. We are talking about meeting God' standard for our lives. We either meet that standard or we fall short. Falling short can be one inch or 100 miles, it still falls short.
God is very much concerned with how our sins affect others. That’s why the second prime command is to love others. How many of the ten commandments concern the well-being of others? It’s very important to the Judge of all the earth.
 
Without Hope and Without God in the World !

Eph 2:12

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

All of us when left in a state of nature, born dead in trespasses and sins, without spiritual life, the indictment is we are in and of ourselves without hope, that is without Christ, without God, and without life.

In this condition we dont seek or even desire the True God Rom 3:11, and there's absolutely nothing a person can do to change out of this spiritually dead state, no not even his so called freewill ! No matter what we do naturally, as moral or religious persons, we are still without hope and spiritually dead to God.

The only hope a person has from escaping this spiritually dead plight is the True God ! That is God must out of pure Mercy quicken one Eph 2:1,4-5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Other than this, man is without hope ! 5