I answered it. I could say more but I prefer my posts to be short. See post 158.
Does man naturally have ability to Seek God ?
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He created the cosmos to illustrate His glory and power to those He hoped would serve and love Him.
Jealous you can’t say the same? Is that why you attack me personally? Nothing better to say?
It seems to me that is exactly what Paul is saying.
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Your answer is no He does not. You are too Democracy centered. Man has rights. God cannot violate our rights. Tell that to a Marxist.
It wasn't an attack, just a reflection of your prior posts to me for saying the word "I".
You may have missed the "LOL".
No one was watching Him at the time to be wowed by his power and glory. And, this is fairly egoistic…He created the cosmos so He could be admired. What do we think of a man who has children so they can admire him?
He hoped?
Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ 11 calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.
Does that sound like a God who hopes everything turns out okay? That's the non-Calvinist God. A God who just creates and then hopes this or that happens.
Learn the God of the Bible, rather than the God of your imagination.
The triune God created the cosmos to glorify Himself by demonstrating His wrath and power on vessels of wrath and to make known the riches of his Glory on vessels prepared beforehand for glory. It's all about God and His glory, not about humans or angels or bunny rabbits or anything else.
And that is exactly the problem. You limit God to man's idea of right or wrong. What if God is so glorious that it doesn't require an ego to want to reveal that glory to others? What if the love between the Father and Son and Holy Spirit was so great, that it just naturally expanded out to a created cosmos? And that glory is the display of all of God's attributes.
That’s assuming that people are manipulated like clay. But the quote is from Jeremiah, whereby God says to Israel something that reflects his choices in being “the potter” is determined by the choices of “the clay.”
5Then the word of the LORDcame to me: 6“O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the LORD. Behold, like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. 9And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, 10and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it. 11Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’
What God does in this quote depends of what we do.
Incorrect. But what you are seeing incorrectly is people being passive in the matter. Paul knows that we are not passive and would not have intended to say so. The “vessels” like the bride in Revelation, make themselves fit or unfit and God responds to those choices. It is his right and duty to respond to man’s choices opening up honor for some and dishonor for others, justly deserved if mercy doesn’t intervene.
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No, I don’t. Moral wrong is not less than what we know it to be when God does it. He is not less good.
Then the words used to describe His motive by H are incorrect. That description was ego pure. My description honors Him.
I am not a party to that private exchange and do not speculate on such matters. It is for me too precious to offer an ignorant guess. I know only a wee bit of it.
"At the time" wasn't the point.
All of the future was His intended audience.
Admired?
"Worshipped", is more like it.
"Man" can't think like God does.
Satan is part of the created cosmos that Jesus upholds. Every atom or molecule gets it existence from God.
I knew that is exactly what you would come back with. Paul cannot, never use an OT quotation to prove a point different than what it has in the OT context.
I believe otherwise. Paul is exactly saying we are passive in being made what kind of vessel we are.
1Pe 2:8 and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
1Th 5:9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
That word "destined" is the same Greek word in both passages.
Yes, He hoped.
His Isa 46 "purpose" was the salvation of all mankind.
If men don't want salvation, that is on them.
He created men with the power to choose which road they will walk.
Not robots.
Forced love, is no love at all.
That sounds weird coming from somebody who talks about knowing all about God's ways, just like Moses and Abraham did.
If I didn't have free will, why did Jesus die to wash away my past sins with His blood?
If everything had already, (according to some), been predetermined/preset, why go through all that suffering if it wouldn't change anything?
Not once creation was finished. The bible says God was finished and our world has living creatures that can reproduce themselves without getting their molecules from God. He finished creating molecules.
Why would he contradict the scripture he deeply respected to say something totally opposite the entire Old Testament teaching?
When we’re they destined (not pre)? When they chose not to believe:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
7So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”a
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“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
What’s the difference? God unjustly selecting? No, the whosoevers made choices that determine their destiny.
As soon as we chose to believe, our course was laid out. We will, if we do turn back, become like Jesus. That’s the destiny of all who choose to believe. It’s merciful to our sin but just if we refuse.
If no one is watching someone do something, they aren’t doing it to impress those not watching.
God can and does explain himself to certain kinds of people and hides himself from others. Having the mind of Christ means think like God does.
When a man cannot answer a logical argument and decides to, instead, count the number of times a poster used first person singular as though they are egoistic, it isn’t made less of an insult by inserting “lol.” The pharisees mocked Jesus and laughed too.
You are definitely NOT sinless. Very clear the more you write letting what is in you that hides under the fasade come out.