Endtimes Temple?

[RandyK]

Daniel 7-8 the little horn/4th beast

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire: (Iraq), Medo - Persian Empire: (Iran), Grecian Empire: (Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt), Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

I'm afraid that there are so many ways of interpreting this that all we can do is share our own particular view? It makes the most sense to me personally to focus on the 4th Kingdom, and not on the previous 3 kingdoms which we already know were Babylon, Persia, and Greece.

It is this 4th Kingdom, likely Rome, that dominates the period we call the "Last Days," because it's during the early Roman Empire that Israel came to an end, and the Temple Worship was destroyed. And so, I think it is the Roman Empire that divides, by the time of Antichrist, into a 10 nation confederation, consisting of 8 kings (which includes the Antichrist).

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

I'm not sure what the equation is betwen ancient nations still existing today and prophecy that is relevant today? The only nation that is relevant, as I see it, is the Roman nation. And important dates, such as 476 AD and 1453 AD point to the continuing fragmentation of the Roman Imperial System in Europe.

Russia today is trying to perpetuate Rome's original Imperial System by restoring its Soviet Empire. I doubt it will work.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

I can't possibly see the Roman Empire as being a "little horn." It was anything but "little!" And so, I see the reference to it being "little" as indication it is speaking of a single monarch, the Antichrist.

Though Dan 8 speaks of a "little horn" as well, I think this is a different monarch. The language merely suggests an individual king.

The context in Dan 8 focuses upon the rise of Antiochus 4. There were 2 major prophecies given to Daniel which sort of "headline" the future predictions--the rise of Antiochus 4 and the rise of Antichrist. And these seem to be prophecies placed side by side to emphasize the similarities.

Rev 12:3 the other sign John saw was a great red dragon meaning Satan. Remember, this is a vision and a sign as Satan has not yet been cast out of heaven until the beginning of the 3 1/2 year tribulation. The description of the dragon being great and red depicts its nature and character as being fierce and murderous, John 8:44. This red dragon is depicted as having seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. This is also confirmed in Rev 17 as mystery Babylon is described. The seven heads and ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The last kingdom which stands greater than all the others is that of a revived Roman Empire that takes control over all the ten nations who then implements a deceiving peace treaty with the Muslims in which the Dome of the Rock will be given over to the son of perdition as he reigns from the very Temple mount of God. This is the abomination Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15, 16 that we are to flee from when we see the son of perdition take his seat in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years.

The focus in the prophecy of Revelation is on the 3.5 years of Antichrist's Reign. And it is during this time that Satan is active energizing the 10 nation confederation of Antichrist.

I don't, however, see anything about a "peace treaty with the Moslems." And I can't see, because of my theology, a restoration of the Jewish Temple.

Neither do I interpret the Abomination of Desolation as something yet to be fulfilled in the future. I see the AoD as the Roman Army which destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD.

Rev 13 the beast rises up out of the sea as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. This beast is a Luciferian system comprised of economic, political, militant, environmental and a false religious system. This beast system that Satan works through gives its power to the beast out of the earth as the beast out of the earth appears as the Lamb of God, but is a false Christ being the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 with two horns. The two horns represent the Old Roman Empire that received its deadly wound back in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. That caused them to scatter into the other ten nations (ten horns). The wound was healed in 1929 by Mussolini.

Yea, I don't know what the "wound of the Beast" was? Sometimes I simply view it as the fall of Roman Imperialism for a time until its modern forms of revival in both East and West.

The False Prophet may be a corrupt Pope, but I doubt it because this man is thoroughly Antichristian. A Pope could never do that!

My understanding is that the Antichrist will burn the city of Rome. But again, this is guesswork on my part.

The modern day Ten Kingdoms of the NWO are listed below:

Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

I have no idea what the political heads of this world are scheming? I'm sure they want to unify the world among themselves for their own selfish purposes. But each head has his or her own goals, and I doubt they can unite the world to satisfy every head.

So I think the 10 nations will be a revival of the ancient Roman Imperial System in the Modern World. Being that Rome was in Europe, I think the 10 nations will be European nations, East and West. But thanks for your thoughts. I guess we'll see?

 

[RandyK]

There have been many desolation's throughout history. During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice destroying both Temples, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. The last time, which is yet future, will be when the last antichrist/man of lawlessness/false prophet, 2Thessalonians 2:1-12; 1John 2:18-27, will come to rule in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years causing all to take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death by being beheaded for their witness of Christ refusing to denounce Him, Rev 13; Rev 20:4

To be honest, I don't know what relationship the Antichrist will have with Israel? I think Antichrist will be a European monarch--an emperor of sorts.

But I know that Armageddon is located in Israel, and that OT prophecies depict the final battle of Israel for its survival to take place with the whole world virtually united against it. So there's that.

 

[Elijah7777]

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite.

Those rituals mean something and that applies to all of us. My experience is that the pastors with the 2 year associate degree seem to be best at explaining what everything in the temple represents.

Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow

Do any of us follow what God commands us to do?

David expresses this idea in Psalm 51:16-17, where he acknowledges that God does not ultimately desire ritual sacrifices, but rather a humble and repentant heart:

> "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." (Psalm 51:16-17, NIV)

David’s words emphasize that true worship is not about external rituals alone, but about inner transformation and sincerity. This theme appears throughout Scripture, including 1 Samuel 15:22, where Samuel tells Saul:

> "To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams."

 

[for_his_glory]

RandyK this is in reply to your post #81

I also understand that this will be the revived Roman Empire in which the last antichrist/son of perdition will come from, 2Thessalonians 2:1-12.

It's very important to study the history of the four Empires and to see the last one still exist today as having a form of godliness, but denies the power there of, 2Timothy 3:1-6. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13:3.

The deadly wound came in 1798 when General Berthier of France, who made his entrance into Rome, abolished the Roman government and established a secular one and captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799. In 1801 Napoleon made an agreement with Pope Pius II establishing Napoleon s Organic Articles of granting the Tribunal and the Corps legislative partial control of the concordat in order to help the state monitor any politically harmful Catholic or Protestant movements or activities. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to Pope Pius XI and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

Daniel 9:27 teaches us exactly when after the total of 69 weeks (483 days/483 prophetic years in the day as a year principle) Jesus was cut off, but not for Himself for He was cut off for us as He died for our sins. Note that it states that He, Jesus, caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease in the middle of the final week (7 years), which is 3.5 years of course. When Jesus, the Lamb of God, died on the cross, He became our one and final perfect sacrifice and put an end to the temple sacrifices. This was signified by the temple curtain being torn from top to bottom.

Unless someone can give me the scripture about a peace treaty with the Muslims, Daniel 9:27 says nothing about a peace treaty with the Muslims as it is written
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate, Daniel 9:27.

Rev 13 the beast rises up out of the sea as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. This beast is a Luciferian system comprised of economic, political, militant, environmental and a false religious system. This beast system that Satan works through gives its power to the beast out of the earth as the beast out of the earth appears as the Lamb of God, but is a false Christ being the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 with two horns. The two horns represent the Old Roman Empire that received its deadly wound back in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. That caused them to scatter into the other ten nations (ten horns). The wound was healed in 1929 by Mussolini.

The modern day Ten Kingdoms the Romans scattered to being they of the NWO (beast system) are listed below in which the beast out of the sea has his minions in each one.

Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

 

[for_his_glory]

Those rituals mean something and that applies to all of us. My experience is that the pastors with the 2 year associate degree seem to be best at explaining what everything in the temple represents.

Do any of us follow what God commands us to do?

David expresses this idea in Psalm 51:16-17, where he acknowledges that God does not ultimately desire ritual sacrifices, but rather a humble and repentant heart:

> "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." (Psalm 51:16-17, NIV)

David’s words emphasize that true worship is not about external rituals alone, but about inner transformation and sincerity. This theme appears throughout Scripture, including 1 Samuel 15:22, where Samuel tells Saul:There is nothing wrong with Godly rituals

> "To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams."

Godly rituals are only good if they are understood and followed like the moral laws all are to keep as the greatest is love.