Erroneous additons to the Word of God !

[Mysteryman]

Quote: D4Christ - "No. But what you could do is make a list of events that have one mention in the bible and then list the reasons why we should suspect that they are wrong. Perhaps you could start with the vision John had of New Jerusalem in Revelation. Tell us why we won’t see the pearly gates or streets made out of gold….I could be wrong but I can’t recall where this description is told anywhere else."

Hi

The house of God is going to be the New Jerusalem which is mentioned in the book of Rev.

The house of God had gold and silver in the OT house of God - I Kings 15:15 -- II Chronicles 3:3 & 4 & 5 & 6

In Christ - MM

 

[Mysteryman]

My response is very simple. What you cannot understand, you dismiss as error.

What I've found in my 40 years of faithfully reading the Word of God is that what I don't understand one day is made clear down the road. What you think has no answer does, indeed, have one. You will choose to dismiss what other godly men have seen....don't say you won't because I've seen you do it already. I can see clearly something you throw away like last week's garbage. I have total faith in the Bible and none in man's "wisdom". Call me whatever you like, but I have seen the truth of the Word win out every time against those who seek to tear it apart. There is nothing new here...tearing down the Word of God and attempting to cause doubt amongst the believers is an old game. One I take very seriously.

You are making an observation based upon your ignorance. Do the "generations" test, and show us (yourself) if the 42 generation number is wrong, or is the word "husband" wrong . You, at least deserve it to yourself to find out the truth.

IN Christ - MM

 

[D4Christ]

Quote: D4Christ - "No. But what you could do is make a list of events that have one mention in the bible and then list the reasons why we should suspect that they are wrong. Perhaps you could start with the vision John had of New Jerusalem in Revelation. Tell us why we won’t see the pearly gates or streets made out of gold….I could be wrong but I can’t recall where this description is told anywhere else."

Hi

The house of God is going to be the New Jerusalem which is mentioned in the book of Rev.

The house of God had gold and silver in the OT house of God - I Kings 15:15 -- II Chronicles 3:3 & 4 & 5 & 6

In Christ - MM

1 Kings 15:15

15 He brought into the Temple of the Lord the silver and gold and the various items that he and his father had dedicated.

2 Chron 3

3 These are the dimensions Solomon used for the foundation of the Temple of God (using the old standard of measurement). It was 90 feet long and 30 feet wide. 4 The entry room at the front of the Temple was 30 feet wide, running across the entire width of the Temple, and 30 feet high. He overlaid the inside with pure gold.

5 He paneled the main room of the Temple with cypress wood, overlaid it with fine gold, and decorated it with carvings of palm trees and chains. 6 He decorated the walls of the Temple with beautiful jewels and with gold from the land of Parvaim.

Was there gold and jewels in the temple….well yes. Are the above descriptions the ones described for the city in Rev 21…..no.

10 So he took me in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and he showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God and sparkled like a precious stone—like jasper as clear as crystal. 12 The city wall was broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels. And the names of the twelve tribes of Israel were written on the gates. 13 There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked to me held in his hand a gold measuring stick to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. 16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles. 17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick (according to the human standard used by the angel).
18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. 19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones: the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.

Your OT references are not referring to the Holy City described in Rev 21 and you still have not provided a scripture that describes and “establishes†the parts I highlighted in blue. So if there are no scriptures that can be found describing what John saw in Rev 21 is it still valid? It seems strange to me that you provide OT verses that describe physical temples on earth to “establish†Revelations description of a “city†made out of gold, but you choose not to see a relationship between Christ speaking to the dead on earth and the dead immediately rising to “establish†Christ speaking to the dead during his “death†and the dead rising and leaving their tombs.

Odd.

 

[Mysteryman]

The Jerusalem here on earth was a "city" and it was called the "holy city" as is the Jerusalem above.

One was a literal city and the one in the book of Rev. is the spiritual city , the New Jerusalem.

Your grave contention is based upon what you see written on paper, and that is all you "see" !

You believe as doubting Thomas believes, with your eyes.

The word of God is "established" throughout the Word of God. There were no other records to support anyone coming out of the graves at the resurrection of our Lord. None !

The Jerusalem here on earth is in bondage and the Jerusalem above is free and the mother of us all, yet barren.

There was a house of God and Solomon built it as directed by God. The house of God above is built by God himself. There is a literal house of God and a spiritual house of God.

This holds true throughout the scriptures !

The First Adam of the earth was made a living soul.

The Last Adam from heaven was a quickening Spirit.

If the graves opened up, as Matthew 27:52 & 53 state, then there "must" be an establishment of it within the Word of God ! It is just this simple.

However, you have every right to believe as you wish. But the truth is, those verses were added by man/men. And they were not the God breathed Word.

Believe it , or not.

IN Christ - MM

 

[Free]

If the graves opened up, as Matthew 27:52 & 53 state, then there "must" be an establishment of it within the Word of God ! It is just this simple.

There is, in Matt 27:52-53.

 

[D4Christ]

The Jerusalem here on earth was a "city" and it was called the "holy city" as is the Jerusalem above.

One was a literal city and the one in the book of Rev. is the spiritual city , the New Jerusalem.

Now who is confused. We were talking about the description of the New Jerusalem spoken of in Revelation compared to the OT verses you provided that spoke of Temples. City vs. temple....one scripture does not confirm the validity of the other. But you did prove my point about the “holy city mentioned in Matt by admitting that there are other scriptures that reference the “holy city†that the dead bodies went to. So why did you act like there was no way to verify what city the dead appeared in when you just acknowledged that the city represents Jerusalem in your opening sentence?

Your grave contention is based upon what you see written on paper, and that is all you "see" !

You believe as doubting Thomas believes, with your eyes.

Yes I do. You believe in scriptures no one can find proof of and theories never stated anywhere else except in the corners of your own mind. But hey…nobody is perfect. We are all seeking to learn the Truth.

The word of God is "established" throughout the Word of God. There were no other records to support anyone coming out of the graves at the resurrection of our Lord. None !

And there are no other descriptions of the New Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven. No worries…if you don’t believe it as the prophet described, the Father won’t force you to be there.

The Jerusalem here on earth is in bondage and the Jerusalem above is free and the mother of us all, yet barren.

Another new theory…. I never heard Jerusalem called the “mother†of us. Sounds a little New Agey to me…what’s that verse about people teaching “new†truths?

There was a house of God and Solomon built it as directed by God. The house of God above is built by God himself. There is a literal house of God and a spiritual house of God.

This holds true throughout the scriptures !

The First Adam of the earth was made a living soul.

The Last Adam from heaven was a quickening Spirit.

If the graves opened up, as Matthew 27:52 & 53 state, then there "must" be an establishment of it within the Word of God ! It is just this simple.

But there is…how many examples of Christ preaching to people who rose from their death bed, immediately I might add, do you need?

However, you have every right to believe as you wish. But the truth is, those verses were added by man/men. And they were not the God breathed Word.

Believe it , or not.

Not. But I do pray for you.

Father, I ask that you reveal your truth to the one shrouded in “mystery.†I pray that those browsing and participating in these forums also see how wonderfully simple your truth can be. Father, I and the others on this board do not claim to know everything. We are all learning and yearning for your return. Keep own minds clear from the enemy who would seek to destroy us by confusion. As we near closer to your return, I pray that you cover us in protection and shield us from the Evil One. Reveal your word and truths to us so that we may in turn share with others still in darkness. Not our will, but your will be done. Amen.

Be blessed Mystery and take care.

Blessings,
Dee

 

[Mysteryman]

D4Christ

You have never heard about the Jerusalem that is above is the mother of us all ? ?

Well, please read Galatians 4:25 threw verse 27 then read verses 28 threw verse 31 < not new agey, old agey, "It is written" !

I will pray for you !! Dear heavenly Father, open up the eyes of their understanding, so they no longer have to walk in darkness, and can walk in the light of your precious Word . Amen !

And I always appreciate when someone prays for me, so thanks.

 

[D4Christ]

D4Christ

You have never heard about the Jerusalem that is above is the mother of us all ? ?

Well, please read Galatians 4:25 threw verse 27 then read verses 28 threw verse 31 < not new agey, old agey, "It is written" !

I will pray for you !! Dear heavenly Father, open up the eyes of their understanding, so they no longer have to walk in darkness, and can walk in the light of your precious Word . Amen !

And I always appreciate when someone prays for me, so thanks.

Thanks for the correction...great find! I use the NLT and it does not say mother Jerusalem, but since the other major versions do (kjv, nasb, amp, niv) then I have to go with the majority interpretation. But here is a question if you care to answer it.

I could only find "one verse" and in only "one bible version" in the bible to "establish" Gal. 4:25. I am curious as to whether or not you beleive this verse has been made valid even if only one particular translation supports it. But to be fair, I could only find one...sort of...maybe you have others.

 

[Mysteryman]

D4Christ

You have never heard about the Jerusalem that is above is the mother of us all ? ?

Well, please read Galatians 4:25 threw verse 27 then read verses 28 threw verse 31 < not new agey, old agey, "It is written" !

I will pray for you !! Dear heavenly Father, open up the eyes of their understanding, so they no longer have to walk in darkness, and can walk in the light of your precious Word . Amen !

And I always appreciate when someone prays for me, so thanks.

Thanks for the correction...great find! I use the NLT and it does not say mother Jerusalem, but since the other major versions do (kjv, nasb, amp, niv) then I have to go with the majority interpretation. But here is a question if you care to answer it.

I could only find "one verse" and in only "one bible version" in the bible to "establish" Gal. 4:25. I am curious as to whether or not you beleive this verse has been made valid even if only one particular translation supports it. But to be fair, I could only find one...sort of...maybe you have others.

Hi Dee

It does not matter if only one translation has the correct reading and the others do not. No one should rely upon their translations to begin with. I read the KJV only for the reason that it has the least amount of flaws within it. And there are times I want to trash my KJV. I read other version from time to time. The internet makes this easy. I can cross reference etc.

However, knowing that no one translation is accurate. What we must come to realize, is that God protected his Word in such a way, that man(kind) can not read the bible with their physical eyes anyways. When you do, even if you are a person who has spiritual eyes. What you are doing, is setting aside your spiritual eyes, and you then start reading the bible with your physical eyes, or carnal eyes instead. Its like owning a car, and the store is 10 miles away. You can walk there, or take the car. Taking the car is the most logical, but most people feel like walking, so they leave the car behind and make an easy journey , and turn it into a difficult journey.

We need to read the Word with our spiritual eyes constantly. Not some of the time, but all of the time !

If Romans 1:20 is true, and it is true. Then the consistency of the Word of God will guarantee you the truth. One the literal, and the other the spiritual. Literal Jerusalem -- spiritual Jerusalem
1. one in bondage ( here and now) --- 2. The other is free = future

Two of everything. God establishes His Word in this way . To establish something you check it twice. You confirm it ! The things that God made are literal, the unseen are the spiritual. And you can "see" the spiritual by the things that God made. < Either this is true, or it is not. And since it is true ! So why not utilize this truth ???

God protected His Word, and he wrote it in our hearts. This is why it states in the book of Corinth. in I Corinth. 3:17 - "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy ; for the temple of God is holy ( < this is talking about the Word of God written in your hearts "holy") "which ye are".
Verse 16 tells us that the Spirit of God dwells in you.

Then in verse 19 God tells us that the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. Verse 21 tells you that all things are yours. So this is why Paul uses this phrase - 'for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear". Use your spiritual ears and eyes. They were given to you so that you can utilize them.

Walking by your carnal eyes, your carnal eyes tell you that Matthew 27:52 & 53 are suppose to be there, because you can see these two verses with your carnal eyes. Well big deal ! At least one is not physically blind. But what about being spiritually blind ? ? Your physical eyes might work perfectly well, but one can still be spiritually blind even if your physical eyes work just fine. You see two verses in your bible. And most people say that God would not allow anything to slip into the bible. Only someone who is spiritually blind would say such a thing. They are naive in believing such a thought ! The fact remains, our translations are flawed ! Period ! Now people need to get over it ! Grow up ! And start to realize this truth ! Our bibles are not "holy". But "You" are holy, because the scriptures tell us that you are "holy". Not you the person, but the Word of Truth that is written in your hearts. That is what is 'holy' !

The Spirit of truth will reveal unto you, that Matthew 27:52 & 53 were additions by man/men ! It does not fit ! It is 'NOT' the God breathed Word of God ! When you come to this truth is up to you. God tells us to plant and water, but it is God who gives the increase, and it is God who opens up the eyes of one's understanding. But first, you must have the proper reading glasses (Spirit of truth in you). Second, God is the one who opens the lenses on those reading glasses. Then and only then do you "SEE" and "understand".

Love IN Christ - MM

 

[nadab]

Because of the rendering by the King James Bible and other Bibles, some have concluded that the "holy ones" were resurrected at the time of Jesus death at about 3 PM on a Friday. However, this goes against proper reasoning, for just because of an earthquake, would that make the resurrection occur ?(Matt 27:54) Resurrections are not caused by earthquakes, but only God can resurrect or bring a person to life.

The account says that the "memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up."(Matt 27:52, New World Translation) It does not say "graves", for the Greek word for "graves" is taphos, but Matthew used the Greek word mne·mei´on, meaning "memorial tombs". A memorial tomb is a burial place in which the remains of a deceased person were placed with the hope that he would be remembered, especially by God.

Jewish burial tombs were customarily built outside the cities, a major exception being those of the kings, such as King David.(Acts 2:29) Thus, because of the earthquake, "many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep (in death) were raised up" or thrown out from their "memorial tombs" or the vaults they were placed in, being cast on the ground. Afterward, "persons, coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city" to tell others what had happened.(Matt 27:53, New World Translation)

 

[Free]

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[D4Christ]

I could only find "one verse" and in only "one bible version" in the bible to "establish" Gal. 4:25. I am curious as to whether or not you beleive this verse has been made valid even if only one particular translation supports it. But to be fair, I could only find one...sort of...maybe you have others.

Hi Dee

It does not matter if only one translation has the correct reading and the others do not. No one should rely upon their translations to begin with. I read the KJV only for the reason that it has the least amount of flaws within it. And there are times I want to trash my KJV. I read other version from time to time. The internet makes this easy. I can cross reference etc.

However, knowing that no one translation is accurate. What we must come to realize, is that God protected his Word in such a way, that man(kind) can not read the bible with their physical eyes anyways.

You have a way of not answering questions directly. And this whole business about not reading with your "eyes" is imho double speak. The only way one knows what the bible says is to read it. Yet when people read it you accuse them of not using their spiritual eyes. Yet you read the bible with your physical eyes to receive “spiritual†meaning. How do we know your spiritual revelation is more or less valid then someone else’s spiritual revelation?

Nevertheless, it all begins with reading the ink on the paper first doesn’t it? It’s okay to quote a scripture that you feel proves God established the scripture because it’s stated twice….but its not okay for me to ask you where God established Jerusalem as our mother because in your own words “no one should rely on any translations to begin with.†How do you pick and choose when it is okay to read the scriptures? And why do you bother to own a bible at all if, per you, NONE of the translations can be trusted?

Telling people not to trust the translations amounts to telling people to basically junk their bibles. However, it seems odd to me that your spiritual eyes quote the very scriptures you have been telling everyone to ignore.

So, I will ask again if you care or can answer. What other scripture “establishes†Jerusalem as our mother?

Blessings,
Dee

 

[Mysteryman]

Dee

Hi there ! Do you know what an allegory is ?

A figurative statement , correct ?

The Jerusalem above being the mother of us all is an allegory. So is the Jerusalem that is here on this earth, and her children are in bondage. Another allegory !

God gave us the example of these two allegories by showing us the life of Abraham and Sarah.

Abraham had two sons. One of the bond woman, the other of the free woman, which was by promise.

This is what Romans 1:20 is showing us. Look at the literal and then you will see the spiritual, the things that are not seen = the spiritual.

Two allegories = two spiritual thoughts, and both spiritual thoughts have a literal to reveal the spiritual, which is in Galatians 4:22 & 23

In the allegory, in verse 25, the Jerusalem in this verse is the allegory pertaining to the bond woman.

In the allegory, in verse 26, the Jerusalem that is above, and is the mother of us all, is the allegory of the free woman, which was Sarah.

Her son was by Promise

So are Christians , who are sons of God, who have Christ in them, the promised seed.

Yet, the Jerusalem above is barren. Sarah was barren also, so she used the bond woman as a surrogate.

God used the body of a woman here on earth, as a surrogate of the barren Jerusalem which is above. The woman here on earth is in bondage. The woman above is free and the mother of us all. All those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the earth, will receive the promise seed of Christ in them.

God Bless - IN Christ - MM

 

[D4Christ]

Dee

Hi there ! Do you know what an allegory is ?

A figurative statement , correct ?

The Jerusalem above being the mother of us all is an allegory. So is the Jerusalem that is here on this earth, and her children are in bondage. Another allegory !

God gave us the example of these two allegories by showing us the life of Abraham and Sarah.

Abraham had two sons. One of the bond woman, the other of the free woman, which was by promise.

This is what Romans 1:20 is showing us. Look at the literal and then you will see the spiritual, the things that are not seen = the spiritual.

Two allegories = two spiritual thoughts, and both spiritual thoughts have a literal to reveal the spiritual, which is in Galatians 4:22 & 23

So, Jerusalem our Mother in Galatians is repeated twice or established because of Romans 1:20?

Gal 4

22 The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife. 23 The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise.
24 These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them. 25 And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery to the law. 26 But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother.

- two women illustrate God’s two covenants
- Hagar represents the law that enslaves people
- Sarah represents heavenly Jerusalem

28 And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise, just like Isaac. 29 But you are now being persecuted by those who want you to keep the law, just as Ishmael, the child born by human effort, persecuted Isaac, the child born by the power of the Spirit.
30 But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the free woman’s son.†31 So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman; we are children of the free woman.

- we are not a slave to the law like Ishmael who was born from human effort
- we are children of the free woman whose child was born by the power of the Spirit and therefore will share inheritance.

You’re suggesting that the above message is repeated in Romans 1.

20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

- man can see the invisible power and divinity of God through the awesomeness of the very world we live in.
-man is without excuse for believing in the existence of God.


What I most admire about God’s word is that we rarely have to guess at whether the bible is being literally or figurative. When scriptures are using illustrations, often times we are told so and what those illustrations represent. The scriptures are clear but your conclusions are not. Sarah representing heavenly Jerusalem does not directly correlate to Romans which is speaking directly to the issue of people who think they can get away with denying God’s existence.

This abstract and stretching conclusion you have no problems with. But I provide you with 3 scriptures that speak specifically about what Christ did while dead for 3 days, provide examples of how the dead reacted to Christ’s voice while on earth and you cannot “See†how or why dead bodies would have left their graves while being preached to by Christ from the grave.

Based on your theory someone can take any scripture they find in the bible and assign any meaning to it they want, as long as they call it “spiritual.†Then if a person doesn’t agree with the spiritual interpretation, we get to accuse that person of being spiritually blind.

Nice.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi Dee

I can see that you are struggling with this. And I can understand why. This might be new to your understanding, and for the most part is hard to grasp.

However, to simplify all of this. There is a literal to explain the spiritual.

Sarah whom God made, represents the Jerusalem which is above and is barren, as Sarah was.

Hagar was in bondage to Sarah (not the law), she was her bondslave, a servant . She was in bondage to Sarah. Hagar represents the Jerusalem that is in bondage in Galatians.

The spiritual can be seen by the things God made.

The Jerusalem that is above is the mother of us all, but barren.

As Hagar became the surragote for Sarah, so are women here on earth giving birth to those whom God has chosen from before the foundations of the earth, and God puts his promise seed in them.

Those whom you claim came out of the graves , which we can read in our bibles. Are not established within the Word of God. There are not a second reference pertaining to them coming out of the ground from their graves and going into the holy city as a witness < There is no second witness of this within the Word of God ! None ! Zip ! Zero !

The Word of God always gives us a second reacord, be it an allegory, or what the prophets had prophesied in the OT pertaining to Jesus the Christ himself.

IN Christ - MM

 

[D4Christ]

Hi Dee

I can see that you are struggling with this. And I can understand why. This might be new to your understanding, and for the most part is hard to grasp.

Understanding the spiritual implications of God’s word is not new to me. The Spirit of Truth has revealed many things to me and I am thankful to even be considered worthy to have been able to understand. What I don’t understand is inconsistency and man-made theories.

You are being deliberately circuitous in the way you answer questions. So let me simplify it for you.

1.You stated that the only way for Matt 27 to be true is if it has been established or recorded twice in scripture.

2. I asked you to show me a scripture to show me where it says “God establishes His word.†You cannot. Instead though, you accuse people on other threads that they are making stuff up and to show you specific verses where a “phrase†is found, yet you refuse to do so yourself.

3. You stated “Jerusalem is our mother†to which I incorrectly said was made up and for which you correctly showed me the verse.

4. Based on your own theory that a scripture needs to be established twice to be true, I asked you to show me where scriptures “establish†mother Jerusalem. Still you refuse.

Literal explanations of the spiritual and spiritual explanations of the literal are part of understanding the bible. One must understand this concept if one is to have any complete understanding of what God, through the prophets is trying to tell us.

You say the word of God always gives us a 2nd record. I say where does scripture state this. I even showed you Rev 21, the description of the New Jerusalem (The City), as a direct challenge to your theory and you gave me a scripture that speaks about how the inside of the Temple was decorated. Didn’t you realize there is no temple in the New Jerusalem and that the passage you gave me is not describing New Jerusalem.

This is not about Hagar and Sarah and I will not be distracted. This is about your theory of needing 2 references, witnesses or however you want to describe it. And so, based on your theory, if no other description of New Jerusalem can be found should it be tossed out as man made.

I don’t need lessons on spiritual verses literal if you don’t mind. This is a straight up yes or no type answer.

Blessings,
Dee

 

[glorydaz]

Hi

Not only are there whole verses added or taken away, but word changes as well. Now you will not dispute those words that are taken away, because you can not argue that which you can not see on paper. But you will argue that man can not add to the scriptures . One would have to be very naive in believing such a thing, since God did not preserve His Word on paper written with ink.

He did preserve about 90 % , but not 100 %

Maybe I should have titled this thread erroneous word changes as well.

Look up and read Matthew 1:16 , and in the verse it says "husband" of Mary.

Now, if you want accuracy with what you read, and you want to be sure what you read is accurate and correct. And that no man can touch in any way the bible you hold so dear. Just try and come up with 42 generations from Abraham unto Christ ? If you do not cheat in any way, and clearly count righteously, you will only come up with 41 generations and not 42 , if you leave this word rendered as "husband" in this verse.

Now, either the word "husband" is not correct, or where it says there are 42 generations is not correct.

If you look up the greek word for "husband" here, it is the greek word "aner" , which more correctly should have been translated "man" of Mary, not husband of Mary. And, if you understand two things while doing this research, one being, that there must be 42 generations, and two, that a woman can be counted as a "generation". Knowing that a woman can not be counted as a geneology. But this record in Matthew chapter one is a "generations" and not a "geneology". And you tell me after this simple research, if you conclude that this word "aner" , which should be translated "man" meaning her father, instead of her husband, then and only then will you come up with 42 generations and not 41 ! !

When you are finished, and you are honest in your assessment of this chapter and generations, maybe, just maybe you will reconsider if whole chapter could or could not have been added.

I will await your response.

Love IN Christ - MM

Matthew did not say there was a total of 42 generations ( 14 multiplied by 3). He said there were 14 generations from Abraham to David, 14 from David to the Babylonian Captivity, and 14 from the release to Christ. David's name was repeated because he was alive when the first division ended, and when the second division began.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

 

[glorydaz]

My response is very simple. What you cannot understand, you dismiss as error.

What I've found in my 40 years of faithfully reading the Word of God is that what I don't understand one day is made clear down the road. What you think has no answer does, indeed, have one. You will choose to dismiss what other godly men have seen....don't say you won't because I've seen you do it already. I can see clearly something you throw away like last week's garbage. I have total faith in the Bible and none in man's "wisdom". Call me whatever you like, but I have seen the truth of the Word win out every time against those who seek to tear it apart. There is nothing new here...tearing down the Word of God and attempting to cause doubt amongst the believers is an old game. One I take very seriously.

You are making an observation based upon your ignorance. Do the "generations" test, and show us (yourself) if the 42 generation number is wrong, or is the word "husband" wrong . You, at least deserve it to yourself to find out the truth.

IN Christ - MM

I'm not too worried about my "ignorance". I do hate to see the Word of God attacked by someone who leans on his own understanding. Neither the "42" or the "husband" is wrong...but you are.

Perhaps instead of insisting on your own "rightness" in a matter, you'd do well to seek input from other believers. Then you wouldn't have to eat so many words. The Word of God is not wrong, but man is notorious for striving to tear it down.

 

[Sinthesis]

One of the erroneous additons to the Word of God is Matthew 27 and verses 52 & 53

Jesus said that there would be no other sign but the sign of Jonas (Jonah). -> Matthew 12:39 & 40

There are two resurrections in the Word of God. And the "fact" is , neither has happened as of yet, let alone any kind of resurrection back then "just" after the death of Jesus ! They did not preceed the resurrection of Jesus, I will guarntee you that ! Especially since Jesus is the first fruits from the dead.

Many people must learn this fact, that many things were taken out of the Word of God , as well as were there many things added to the Word of God !

Beware of this Fact !

Love IN Christ - MM

Unfortunately you are committing the same error as the belligerent thief on the cross who, unsatisfied with the reality of God's way's compared to his own preconceived notions of what the Messiah should be like, blasphemed Jesus.

By this I mean that labeling scripture as false just because it doesn't fit in with your preferred understanding is not wise. Instead approach the Word of God as the other thief, who placed his faith in the power of Jesus, even against all previous human understanding of how the dying man on the cross next to him could possibly be the promised Messiah. This is the faith that, if lacking, makes those who think themselves wise into fools.

• 1Cr 3:18 - Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
  1Cr 3:19 - For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
  1Cr 3:20 - And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

That said:

Mat 27:52 explains the fulfillment of Eze 37:13, while Mat 27:53 shows how some of the Lord's people later understood this as further confirmation that Jesus was Messiah.

 

[glorydaz]

If the graves opened up, as Matthew 27:52 & 53 state, then there "must" be an establishment of it within the Word of God ! It is just this simple.

There is, in Matt 27:52-53.

Amen...and there is only one mention of Tabitha, as well.

But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.

In fact, there is only one mention of most things in the Bible.
Sorta messes up the theory that all must be "established" somewhere else in Scripture.