Eternal security or conditional security?

[for_his_glory]

I was only pointing out what I see. But I don't take anything personal. Just posting a FYI.


OK. What's wrong with any of this?


The 2 questions dealt specifically with the first 5 points. Since 2 Tim 3:16 says that all Scripture is profitable for 1 of 4 categories: teaching, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness, then what category to the verses in EACH point fit into?

Secondly, if any of the verses fit into the teaching (doctrine) category, just what do they teach, if not eternal security?

I really have no idea what "applying conjunctions" has to do with the OP. Please clarify.


I addressed the word for "hold fast". And the "if" happens to be a Greek 1st class condition, which means that the statement is considered TRUE from the perspective of the writer. iow, Paul was acknowledging that his audience HAD believed the gospel and did possess it.

The error comes when one treats the English translated word in today's usage. We must understand how the Greek was understood THEN. Some on this forum will not do that.

I am looking forward to anyone who will address the first 5 points of the OP and answer the 2 questions.

If my view on eternal security is wrong, it should be rather easy to answer the questions and show me what all those verses are really teaching, if not eternal security.

I've always been able to explain the verses given by the conditional security side to show that they don't teach that savation can be lost. But I've not had the "favor" returned.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is very relevant to the issue of eternal security for it will cause one to lose that security forever, even more so during the time of the seventh trumpet as many will denounce the Holy Spirit and take the mark of the beast in order to save their life as they will not stand in the Holy place which is our faith in Christ, but in the end will lose eternal life with the Father, 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

Next, you can not ask two questions and not expect an answer that you will not agree with especially when you do not understand what conjunctions are or maybe you do. Conjunctions are the "and's, if's and but's" written in scripture as you find them from Genesis to Revelations. These are what God has spoken like: if you do this, or if you do that, or if you do this or if you don't do this. These are Gods conditions, not ours. This makes the point for eternal security and conditional eternity.

Most of us are not Hebrew, Latin or Greek students, but do use the Hebrew and Greek Concordances to look up the meaning of certain words.The scriptures were first written in Hebrew as letters to the Churches by the Apostles. When they were translated especially to the Old English none of us today could ever read it as it is pretty hard to read or understand the old language. In the KJV we use today the letters have a clearer English language for us to understand the words. These started out to be letters and it was man that added the book names, chapter and verses numbers.

I already told you I agreed with what you posted in your five points for eternal security in your OP, but the difficulty lays in point number six where you said there is no scripture to support us losing our eternal security. This is what we are trying to show you in scripture what conditional security means and that one can lose their eternal security.

 

[Hospes]

Is having a living faith considered work?

It seems if it's up to me to hang on to a living faith it must entail some work on my part. Help me understand how you see it doesn't.

 

[JLB]

It seems if it's up to me to hang on to a living faith it must entail some work on my part. Help me understand how you see it doesn't.

I asked you... Is having a living faith considered work?

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

The faith you have is a gift from God.
The faith you have, came from God, when you heard His word, the Gospel of your salvation.

The faith you have been given is the substance of the salvation you are hoping for, in which you will receive at the end of your faith.

...receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9


After all the bible does say... Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12




JLB

 

[chessman]

The more common phraseology in the KJV is "believe not" or "believed not." The term unbeliever isn't used in that version.

1 Corinthians 6:6 (KJV) But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.​

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Unbeliever&qs_version=KJV

Maybe it depends on the year of publication you use, IDK. Regardless, I searched using the actual Greek word for "unbeliever" as well.

http://biblehub.com/greek/apistois_571.htm

There are no verses that use this word to discribe someone that once believed but no longer believes.

 

[JLB]

1 Corinthians 6:6 (KJV) But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.​

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Unbeliever&qs_version=KJV

Maybe it depends on the year of publication you use, IDK. Regardless, I searched using the actual Greek word for "unbeliever" as well.

http://biblehub.com/greek/apistois_571.htm

There are no verses that use this word to discribe someone that once believed but no longer believes.

Is a person who believed at one time, then no longer believed, still a believer?


JLB

 

[Mike]

It's bedtime in Michigan, so I bid you all a good night. Hope you all have pleasant and edifying conversations with your brothers and sisters you'll be sharing eternity with and not continue to resort to accusations of disregard of, and no interest in, holy scripture. Gentleness and respect is a phrase I heard somewhere. :wink

 

[gr8grace3]

So many Sunday Morning Christians miss that point.

It is so interesting how you can get away with these "little jabs" and your actually the one that hasn't went past the "Sunday morning christian" if you hold to this view of that verse.

Pretty much every "sunday morning christian" is going to fall for............"Your going to lose salvation if you ever stop believing!"

But the ones who are studying to show themselves approved will know what the actual meaning is to that verse.

 

[FreeGrace]

gr8grace3 said: ↑
Paul is using the debaters technique. The "if" is a first class conditional clause......If and you are. I (Paul) am assuming that you possess the word That I (Paul) preached to you.

As far as I know not a single English translation of the Bible interprets the 'if' that way. It's not even in debate among Greek scholars.

How "far" do you know? Are you claiming that the "if" is not a 1st class condition, or what exactly?

Please cite and quote any source who claims the "if" is something other than a 1st class condition.

If you cannot do that, what gr8grace3 said stands.

 

[for_his_glory]

I asked you... Is having a living faith considered work?

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

The faith you have is a gift from God.
The faith you have, came from God, when you heard His word, the Gospel of your salvation.

The faith you have been given is the substance of the salvation you are hoping for, in which you will receive at the end of your faith.

...receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9


After all the bible does say... Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12




JLB

Sometimes I do not think people actually know what faith is. The faith we have is that of Christ Jesus and not our own. We believe and trust Him in all things even if we are persecuted to death we hold on to Christ knowing our promise is eternal security. The great falling away that is spoken of in 2Thessalonians 2:3 is directed to the end of days during Gods great wrath being poured out on those who refuse to repent. The son of perdition sets up the mark of the beast and many, including those who claim to be Christians, but their faith is weak will not stand in the Holy place, which is faith that is Christ Jesus, as they fear for their own life and will denounce Jesus as they accept the mark of the beast sealing their fate forever as they loved their own lives more, Matthew 16:24-28; 2Timothy 3:1-7.

(To all, let's not make this an end time discussion derailing this thread as I only used this for an example how many will lose their salvation, thank you)

 

[FreeGrace]

I said this:
"These verses aren't support for your opinion. Where does either verse say that if believing ceases, salvation ceases?"

Only opinion?

What kind of question is this? I asked a question and you have dodged once again.

Your gonna have to do better than that

If you want anyone to believe your opinions, you're the one who is going to have to do much better than that.

Anyone can voice an opinion. No big deal. But if you think your opinion is based on Scripture, then you're going to have to quote verses that actually teach your opinion. That's how it works.

in the face of the plain, straight forward words of Jesus Christ.

Which I've given to you.

John 5:24 - Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. This means that one possesses eternal life WHEN one believes. If not, what exactly was Jesus teaching here?

John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. Real clear here as well. Those to whom Jesus gives eternal life (which is WHEN they believe) WILL NEVER PERISH.

Or, if not, what exactly was Jesus teaching here?

All you have to do is read what Jesus said.

This is why I keep repeating the words of Jesus to you. So that seeing you will see, and hearing, you will hear.

12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Believe = Saved

13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13


Believe for a while = Saved for a while

You see, Jesus NEVER said that. That is only your opinion getting in the way again.

I've shown you where both Jesus and Paul used the aorist tense in relation to getting saved, which refutes your opinion about having to continue to believe in order to continue to be saved.

Simple. Believers are saved, those who no longer believe have returned to being unbelievers.

More opinion getting in the way of truth. Please show me any verse that describes former believers as "unbelievers".

Do you believe that a person who no longer believes in Jesus Christ as Messiah and Savior, is still a believer?

That is a false and irrelevant question. Jesus taught that one HAS eternal life WHEN one believes (Jn 5:24) and that those to whom He gives eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH (Jn 10:28). I believe what He taught.

How is a person forgiven for sins, if they don't believe in Jesus Christ?

Their sins, all of them, past, present and future, were forgiven on the basis of faith in Him.
Acts 10:43 - To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

If Christ's death only covers sins committed before one believes in Christ, please provide a clear that teaches that.

Those who endure to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13

Context here is the Tribulation ONLY.

Sorry but you will have to explain, with scripture, how a person is still saved, if they no longer believe.
JLB

I've done that in spades.

One HAS eternal life when one believes. And those who HAVE eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH.

And eternal life is irrevocable.

So, how can one who has been given eternal life NOT be saved, regardless of what happens in the FUTURE?

oh, btw, this is what Paul said about the future:
Rom 8:38-39
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In a list of what CANNOT separate us from God's love, Paul included 'things to come', which refers to the future.

So your opinion is refuted by many Scriptures.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

How "far" do you know? Are you claiming that the "if" is not a 1st class condition, or what exactly?

Please cite and quote any source who claims the "if" is something other than a 1st class condition.

Here: http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-2.htm

Are you claiming that the "if" is not a 1st class condition, or what exactly?

Don't you realize, even if it was that, the condition is still true, it just wouldn't apply to the Corinthians.

1Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)

 

[FreeGrace]

This is me addressing point number 6.

Here is just one of many contrast's in the bible about two different sets of Christians.

The warning is clear.
eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:7-8

This has been thoroughly explained already, which you were unable to refute.
However, if one continues to read the ENTIRE context, one will easily see Paul's point: NO ONE can "continue in doing good" and therefore earn eternal life.

We know that "continuance in doing good" would be equal to keeping the law. Yet, Paul says this:
Rom 3:20 - For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

So, how do you reconcile your view of Rom 2:7 with 3:20? Because they don't fit together.

If eternal life is given on the basis of "continuance in doing good", then why in the world did Christ die on the cross??

You've never addressed this question. Please answer, because your abuse of Rom 2:7 removes the necessity of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. I cannot imagine any Christian thinking that Rom 2:7 is achievable by anyone.

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

And Paul also wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29). Where is the evidence that Paul was not including the gift of eternal life when he wrote Rom 11:29? There isn't any.

If you can't address the words of Paul, that contextually show us that those Christians who live in sin, will receive the wages for that life of sin, which is death, then you have only seen half of the truth.
JLB

I would suggest that you can't address the words of Paul or Jesus, which I've given over and over.

 

[FreeGrace]

C'mon Jethro, you gonna have to get with the "post modern" thought of today's Hyper-Grace theology.

Just as I thought; those who believe that salvation can be lost have a very limited view of grace. Hence, the term "hyper-grace". As in too much grace.

Those who believe that salvation can be lost do not understand grace. As you have clearly shown here.

This is what the Bible says:
James 4:6 - But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” NIV
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” ESV
But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” NASB

So, there's no such thing as "hyper-grace", which is just a made up phrase that reflects discomfort with grace.

There IS MORE grace, and GREATER grace.

Your still thinking like the Apostles who wrote these "outdated" scriptures.

What an amazing statement of disrespect for God's Word!!

Word meaning's have changed. We live in a modern society where certain things are now accepted, from the culture in which the New Testament was written.

Ignorance of lexicons is no excuse. Lexicons deal with the meaning of the Koine Greek, as used when the Bible was written.

Get with the program brother.JLB

Yeah, that would be helpful.

 

[FreeGrace]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is very relevant to the issue of eternal security for it will cause one to lose that security forever, even more so during the time of the seventh trumpet as many will denounce the Holy Spirit and take the mark of the beast in order to save their life as they will not stand in the Holy place which is our faith in Christ, but in the end will lose eternal life with the Father, 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

I'm not going to re-hash the context for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You are free to believe whatever you wish.

Next, you can not ask two questions and not expect an answer that you will not agree with especially when you do not understand what conjunctions are or maybe you do. Conjunctions are the "and's, if's and but's" written in scripture as you find them from Genesis to Revelations.

Sorry, but you're just not making any sense. I have no idea what conjunction have to do with this, since you haven't provided ANY examples to show HOW they are applicable. Until you do, I'm not interested in trying to read your mind.

btw, I CAN ask any number of questions. What I hope to expect is for those who respond, to actually answer the questions. But free will prevents my wish to be fulfilled.

These are what God has spoken like: if you do this, or if you do that, or if you do this or if you don't do this. These are Gods conditions, not ours. This makes the point for eternal security and conditional eternity.

Please show me ANY verses that condition salvation/eternal life on anything IN ADDITION to believing in Christ.

I already told you I agreed with what you posted in your five points for eternal security in your OP, but the difficulty lays in point number six where you said there is no scripture to support us losing our eternal security.

So, just to be clear, you agree with the first 5 points, which teach eternal security. But you also believe that there are verses that teach conditional security.

I'm sure you must be aware that your view here is totally contradictory. If the Bible teaches eternal security AND conditional security, then the Bible is internally contradicted.

Are you comfortable with that vbiew? I'm NOT.

This is what we are trying to show you in scripture what conditional security means and that one can lose their eternal security.

If security is conditional, then it cannot be eternally secure.

I think the problem is that you don't understand that "eternal security" means unconditional in the sense that AFTER one believes in Christ, there are NO conditions by which one will lose eternal life.

The Bible teaches that eternal life, which is a gift of God, is irrevocable. Those who believe in conditional security seem not to believe that.

 

[smaller]

1 Corinthians 6:6 (KJV) But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.​

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Unbeliever&qs_version=KJV

Maybe it depends on the year of publication you use, IDK. Regardless, I searched using the actual Greek word for "unbeliever" as well.

http://biblehub.com/greek/apistois_571.htm

There are no verses that use this word to discribe someone that once believed but no longer believes.

I should have clarified that the term unbeliever is associated only with those who never believed in the KJV.

The larger point of observation is that believers can "believe not," and that will not necessarily result in their eternal destruction. There are various stages of "believing." God in Christ for example bringing the Exodus tribes into numerous precepts, commands, ceremonial engagements, encounters with enemies, etc, all lesser perceptual beliefs than the bigger picture. Joshua and Caleb for example believing they could conquer giants in the promised land and the majority, not believing from Numbers 14 for example. All the others were destroyed for believing not. But we can see with Moses that this did not mean he was on his way to hell.

Believing that God exists and entering into understandings of other beliefs within the larger picture of belief does have numerous distinctions and differences.

 

[FreeGrace]

I said this:
"How "far" do you know? Are you claiming that the "if" is not a 1st class condition, or what exactly?

Please cite and quote any source who claims the "if" is something other than a 1st class condition"

Here: http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-2.htm

Could you shed some light as to how this link supports your claim?

Don't you realize, even if it was that, the condition is still true, it just wouldn't apply to the Corinthians.

What does this have to do with the discussion?? Paul was affirming that they DID possess the Word. It seems you're stuck on using the "if" the way we do in the current English language. You've got to understand how the Greeks thought and used words. If you don't, you CANNOT understand Scripture.

1Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)

It doesn't matter what color you quote the passage in. The meaning is clear: those who have believed HAVE salvation. We find the same message throughout the Bible.

Unless you can prove otherwise, it seems to me that you are treating this as if one must continue to hold onto their salvation. Which isn't even close to what Paul wrote.

Scripture interprets Scripture, ok?

Paul is talking about being saved, right? Jesus noted that believing results in being saved in Luke 8:12, and He used the aorist tense, proving that continuous action isn't required.

Paul affirmed Jesus' words in his answer to the jailer: "believe (aorist) in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you WILL BE SAVED. Acts 16:31

He also promised that those who have received eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH in John 10:28.

You need to prove that one must continue to believe in order to continue to be saved. Which will be IMPOSSIBLE because of Paul's and Jesus' use of the aorist tense.

 

[JLB]

Rom 8:38-39
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Does that include hell?

Does God still love those who have be sentenced to hell?

And Paul also wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable (Rom 11:29). Where is the evidence that Paul was not including the gift of eternal life when he wrote Rom 11:29? There isn't any.

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29

No mention of eternal life here.


Sorry but you will have to explain, with scripture, how a person is still saved, if they no longer believe.

You have avoided this request, over and over, offering no answer.

Please explain to all of us how a person who once believed in Jesus Christ for salvation, then no longer believes, is still saved... with scripture.

You have never done this.


Here is what the writer of the book of Hebrews said about this very thing as he warned the Hebrew Christians to continue steadfast to the end and not give in to the persecution by unbelieving Jews to turn away from Christ, after having believed.

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:12-14

...and goes on to say about this departing from the living God -

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8


Those who believe for a while then turn away from Christ under persecution, are no longer believers.

But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13



JLB

 

[smaller]

Is a person who believed at one time, then no longer believed, still a believer?

JLB

Do I believe exactly like JLB? Of course not. Or do I believe the presentations of a lot of various sects? Of course not. How many are you branding as unbelievers who may simply not BELIEVE MAN? Technically I am an unbeliever of some percentage of JLB. So what?

A whole lot of people here do NOT believe a lot of hogwash from various sects. In the eyes of these various sects such people would be unbelievers, but only unbelievers of their sect. Not necessarily unbelieving that God in Christ exits.

And even if they did not believe, it would depend entirely on how we saw these people ourselves.

Believers can be and are in fact blinded after the fact of belief as Israel shows us. There are causes other than just the persons. Romans 11:8 and Romans 11 in general shows Gods specific intentions to blind the people of Israel in our behalves.

There may be many believers of God in Israel, but few believers that God was in Christ. Christianity to them is some kind of sect of them that they do not believe. But again, technically, IT'S THE SAME GOD.

The larger questions are why they don't believe. And for that we have other directions to observe.

 

[JLB]

I should have clarified that the term unbeliever is associated only with those who never believed in the KJV.

The larger point of observation is that believers can "believe not," and that will not necessarily result in their eternal destruction. There are various stages of "believing." God in Christ for example bringing the Exodus tribes into numerous precepts, commands, ceremonial engagements, encounters with enemies, etc, all lesser perceptual beliefs than the bigger picture. Joshua and Caleb for example believing they could conquer giants in the promised land and the majority, not believing from Numbers 14 for example. All the others were destroyed for believing not. But we can see with Moses that this did not mean he was on his way to hell.

Believing that God exists and entering into understandings of other beliefs within the larger picture of belief does have numerous distinctions and differences.

Yes, much different than believing in Christ for salvation whereby you have the forgiveness of sins, as opposed to believing God for material things or not.

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:12-14


Unbelief in Christ results in departing from Him.

Those who disconnect from Him through unbelief, no longer are connected to the eternal life that He provides.

He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:12-13


If you have the son for a while then depart from Him, you no longer have the Son, as you are no longer a believer.


12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Those who believe are saved.

13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13


Those who believe for a while are saved for a while.

Believing is the premise by which a person goes from being an unbeliever to being a believer.

Those who depart from Him, through unbelief, have departed from the Son and are no longer partakers of Him.

For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:14


We have the Son, which is to say we are partakers of the son if we we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.

...he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Do I believe exactly like JLB? Of course not. Or do I believe the presentations of a lot of various sects? Of course not. How many are you branding as unbelievers who may simply not BELIEVE MAN? Technically I am an unbeliever of some percentage of JLB.

However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. 1 Timothy 1:16

and again

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,Hebrews 3:12-14


and again

21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. Colossians 1:21-23

and again

But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Matthew 24:13


Temporary believing = Temporary Salvation.


JLB