EV or ICE

[Milk-Drops]

EV’s are or will become cheaper than ICE vehicles. Take a look at the 2023 Chevy Bolt (legacy battery). It is cheaper than a 2022 year at 24k.
30k for an Equinox EV is in the same price point for a non EV with the same trim level. Again, expect these prices to come down as both technology advances and as manufacturing ramps up.

I'd like to see that. I still want my Ali Baba toy truck though. :p

 

[stovebolts]

I'd like to see that. I still want my Ali Baba toy truck though. :tongue

Ha, what’s an Ali Baba truck?

GM has stated several times they will be less expensive than ICE vehicles and less expensive to maintain simply because of less parts.

Step back and think how many parts down to the nut and bolt are in a single vehicle…. There is a huge effort just in engineering. Reduce the number of pieces, and that’s less time in development and manufacturing.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Ha, what’s an Ali Baba truck?

GM has stated several times they will be less expensive than ICE vehicles and less expensive to maintain simply because of less parts.

Step back and think how many parts down to the nut and bolt are in a single vehicle…. There is a huge effort just in engineering. Reduce the number of pieces, and that’s less time in development and manufacturing.

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Behold the 30mph beast. *Meep meep*

 

[jasonc]

Shoot by a golf cart ,they build them to go 45.

Cheaper and street legal .they have ac and heat .I know a MMA,gym owner who has one .

 

[Milk-Drops]

Shoot by a golf cart ,they build them to go 45.

Cheaper and street legal .they have ac and heat .I know a MMA,gym owner who has one .

But I don't get the meep meep and the bed. XD

 

[jasonc]

But I don't get the meep meep and the bed. XD

Lol.

I wasn't directing that at you but for 1200 bucks that thing is about useless.you couldn't drive that to my job .it's not street legal .

It's basically a golf cart .

 

[MayGodHeal]

I wonder given the issue of they can't find good help these days with cars how it will affect the ev side .

Three hour waits for a tire repair ,weeks for simple repairs.

Considering EVs use different tires I'm not surprised, they have to order them if tire companies doesn't have replacements in stock. I bought a $50 steel rim from the junkyard with a used tire to use as a spare. Came in handy because I don't trust those donut tires on highways and had a blowout. Tire wasn't even a year old.

Well, that's your understanding. The issue is using less fossil fuels. For the time being, the hybrid technology does that, although not to the degree that a full EV does, but some savings is still savings...right? If you'd like to separate out the EV's from the hybrids, then do that.

God bless,
Ted

Using less fossil fuels wasn't in our discussion though. It was how much battery EVs are being used compared to ICE vehicles. Hybrids, like the Toyota Prius are still ICE vehicles that uses a battery to assist power and you also have a regular ICE with a hybrid battery while an EV (plug in hybrid) with a battery you still can plug in to use as an EV but have an ICE as a backup. You still have to itemize every one to see which ones are more common which is most likely the non plug in hybrids which isn't the same as an all electric vehicle.

If you look at the sales report for say GM they list sales for every vehicle, and sometimes the different power trains. GM and other automakers have to do this in order to see what is selling and what isn't.

If all electric vehicles are selling at 1% and hybrids at 7% then plug in hybrids, say at 1.5% then it gives you information about what is selling and then when someone asks what are non hybrids selling compared to all electric vehicles then you should have that information available and not just tell people EVs sell at 9%. Same with what's being used. While yes all of them uses less fossil fuel only the plug ins use far less fossil fuels and all electric vehicles doesn't use any depending on how or where you're charging them.

 

[jasonc]

Considering EVs use different tires I'm not surprised, they have to order them if tire companies doesn't have replacements in stock. I bought a $50 steel rim from the junkyard with a used tire to use as a spare. Came in handy because I don't trust those donut tires on highways and had a blowout. Tire wasn't even a year old.



Using less fossil fuels wasn't in our discussion though. It was how much battery EVs are being used compared to ICE vehicles. Hybrids, like the Toyota Prius are still ICE vehicles that uses a battery to assist power and you also have a regular ICE with a hybrid battery while an EV (plug in hybrid) with a battery you still can plug in to use as an EV but have an ICE as a backup. You still have to itemize every one to see which ones are more common which is most likely the non plug in hybrids which isn't the same as an all electric vehicle.

If you look at the sales report for say GM they list sales for every vehicle, and sometimes the different power trains. GM and other automakers have to do this in order to see what is selling and what isn't.

If all electric vehicles are selling at 1% and hybrids at 7% then plug in hybrids, say at 1.5% then it gives you information about what is selling and then when someone asks what are non hybrids selling compared to all electric vehicles then you should have that information available and not just tell people EVs sell at 9%. Same with what's being used. While yes all of them uses less fossil fuel only the plug ins use far less fossil fuels and all electric vehicles doesn't use any depending on how or where you're charging them.

I have mounted tires for a Tesla

 

[MayGodHeal]

jasonc I heard it's near impossible to use a floor jack on a Tesla. Do they have different lift points compared to a conventional vehicle?

 

[jasonc]

jasonc I heard it's near impossible to use a floor jack on a Tesla. Do they have different lift points compared to a conventional vehicle?

They have jack and or lift points .it's not different then a mid 90s vette.

I mounted a set on the rear of a Tesla .

 

[MayGodHeal]

jasonc ah, so Teslas use the same lift points then? I never seen the actual bottom of a Tesla before.

I know a lot of these new vehicles are trying to get out of using a spare tire and jack. I don't like the donut tires, I only really use them when I'm rotating tires using just a floor jack. Otherwise I find them useless.

 

[jasonc]

jasonc ah, so Teslas use the same lift points then? I never seen the actual bottom of a Tesla before.

I know a lot of these new vehicles are trying to get out of using a spare tire and jack. I don't like the donut tires, I only really use them when I'm rotating tires using just a floor jack. Otherwise I find them useless.

Teslas irc use run flats.thd lift points are strengthened points on the pinch wield that are marked with a triangle other obvious way.

Unibodies commonly do that .

 

[miamited]

Shout out to jasonc

Speaking of having to order EV tires, I used to work for Goodyear right there in Ft. Pierce, as we've discussed before, and you have to order any tire that someone wants that you don't have in stock. We always had Martino Tire down in Miami that was a distributor that could get you tires local truck delivered the next day. I probably had to call them 7-10 times a month to bring us up a set of some size that we were sold out of.

I remember when that fancy tread design with the wide WW Arriva came out. It was like one of the first, all-weather tires. Man, we couldn't keep them in stock. Even new car buyers would come in and trade their factory tires for a set of Arrivas.

God bless,
Ted

 

[jasonc]

tesla model s lift points - Google Search

The rubber thing shown is what I remember now that I saw that .

 

[MayGodHeal]

jasonc yeah those are common lift points for unibodies. Run flats can be expensive and I don't know if those are fixable if you run over a nail or screw. Either way I just get a full sized spare and rotate them around with the existing wheels to keep them in use and when one tire goes bad I can just drop it off and have my mechanic repair or replace them. Gives me time to look around for a good deal on a set of new tires as well.

 

[jasonc]

jasonc yeah those are common lift points for unibodies. Run flats can be expensive and I don't know if those are fixable if you run over a nail or screw. Either way I just get a full sized spare and rotate them around with the existing wheels to keep them in use and when one tire goes bad I can just drop it off and have my mechanic repair or replace them. Gives me time to look around for a good deal on a set of new tires as well.

Run flats are replaced not fixed they don't need air to keep you going.its a trade off.
You can't change tires ,so long as you match the speed rating it won't hurt the car .

 

[jasonc]

And my taco has a full size spare but it's not the same rim as the others so I would have mount and dismount it to rotate it .or buy a rim that matches .

 

[MayGodHeal]

jasonc yeah I try to get the same tires that the vehicle requires. Yeah and pretty much if you got a nail in your run flats you have to drive directly to a tire shop, another reason I don't like the donut spares.

Yeah my rims are chromes and my spare is a steel rim, but it works perfectly fine as a regular wheel if I need to use it. Had it on all summer when I found a nail in one of my tires, kept losing air on it. Still had lost too much air in it, needed resealing, bead wasn't secure after losing air pressure.

Had to finally take the steel spare off to do a proper tire rotation with my replacement tire due to another tire that had a blow out. Mechanic thought something hit the sidewall.

 

[jasonc]

jasonc yeah I try to get the same tires that the vehicle requires. Yeah and pretty much if you got a nail in your run flats you have to drive directly to a tire shop, another reason I don't like the donut spares.

Yeah my rims are chromes and my spare is a steel rim, but it works perfectly fine as a regular wheel if I need to use it. Had it on all summer when I found a nail in one of my tires, kept losing air on it. Still had lost too much air in it, needed resealing, bead wasn't secure after losing air pressure.

Had to finally take the steel spare off to do a proper tire rotation with my replacement tire due to another tire that had a blow out. Mechanic thought something hit the sidewall.

If I had a spinner I could mount them on rims but need a balancer .it's just not worth that. When I worked fleet or tire kingdom I could mount them myself and balence

 

[jasonc]

But I don't get the meep meep and the bed. XD

Been watching that for a weeks.