Bible Study Every Man's Battle: The Way to Win.

[Hopeful 2]

I don't play any blame game.

Yes I did, you didn't answer.

No baby is "pure". No one "turns" into a sinner, the sinner that's already in them manifests as they age.

There is no infantile purity, there's your own fantasy. "Infantile purity" is not even scientific as infants inherit mother's microbiome from the birth canal.

Evil comes from the heart.

Yet they subsist and remain until Christ returns.

No you don't. That's your own sin of pride.

Ask yourself first, what idol is preventing you from understanding these below?

What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. (Rom. 3:9)
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. (Gal. 4:28-29)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. (1 Jn. 1:8-9)

No, you fantasize and fabricate.

You wouldn't have been acting like the prideful Pharisee if his kingdom were in your heart. You have no humility.

Nonetheless you erroneously sought Jesus as an escape, which is contrary to his own expectation in his prayer.

We disagree on so much, that further conversation is unlikely to produce a consensus.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No you don't. If you do you wouldn't have spiritualized it.

What's to spiritualize ?
it was real !

I ask you again, what idol is preventing you from understanding "EVEN SO IT IS NOW" in Gal. 4:28-29?

No idol can prevent anything, as idols have no power.
As the scripture says, those of the flesh will keep on persecuting those born of the Spirit.

Why is "he who was born according to the flesh" still there?

Those born of the flesh are still here, because they won't repent of sin permanently, and do what is necessary to be born of the Spirit.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

What's to spiritualize ?
it was real !

Subjectively real only to you, or objectively real to God?

No idol can prevent anything, as idols have no power.
As the scripture says, those of the flesh will keep on persecuting those born of the Spirit.

No, that means your old fleshly self is it perpetual conflict with your new spiritual self. It's not about others who're "of the flesh". That's your own victimhood mentality.

Those born of the flesh are still here, because they won't repent of sin permanently, and do what is necessary to be born of the Spirit.

It's not "THEY", there's no "they" in that passage, it's only you. Your own flesh which is still living, breathing and kicking.

 

[JLB]

I disagree...
It is written..."And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." (Rom 5:11)
Jesus' atonement for sin is a basic of Christianity.

If you don’t see any difference between the blood of Jesus and the blood of bulls and goats then have it your way.

And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
Romans 5:11

Atonement is not found in the New Testament in the New King James.

It is only used once in the King James, whereas reconciliation is a better fit.

Reconciliation is better because of the contextual flow of the text.

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Romans 5:9-11


My point is to make people aware of the difference between the blood of Jesus and the blood of bulls and goats.


For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Hebrews 10:4




JLB

 

[Hopeful 2]

Subjectively real only to you, or objectively real to God?

What do you mean by 'subjectively' ?
It was a real death, burial, and resurrection, that I was water baptized into, thereby taking part in each.

No, that means your old fleshly self is it perpetual conflict with your new spiritual self. It's not about others who're "of the flesh". That's your own victimhood mentality.

My old fleshly oriented self was destroyed at my "immersion" into Christ's death.
Rom 6:6..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

It's not "THEY", there's no "they" in that passage, it's only you. Your own flesh which is still living, breathing and kicking.

The newborn vessel-new creature is no longer mine.
It is written..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)

That life is available to everyone who will turn from sin.

 

[Hopeful 2]

If you don’t see any difference between the blood of Jesus and the blood of bulls and goats then have it your way.

I see the one presaging the other.
Patterns of the old, fulfilled by the new.

And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
Romans 5:11

My KJV of the bible says atonement.

Atonement is not found in the New Testament in the New King James.

It is in earlier writings.

It is only used once in the King James, whereas reconciliation is a better fit.

Does it make you wonder at all, why God had men write "atonement" for 800 years ?

Reconciliation is better because of the contextual flow of the text.

Unfortunately it robs you of awareness of the fulfillment of OT presages being fulfilled.

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Romans 5:9-11
My point is to make people aware of the difference between the blood of Jesus and the blood of bulls and goats.

Didn't they accomplish the same thing ?
Payment for sin ?

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Hebrews 10:4

But the atoning blood of Christ can take away sin !